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This is the Home page of Late Mr P J Sebastian, Freedom Fighter, Community Activist from Changanacherry, Kerala, India
- There is more info in the sourced -Hindu article ( Msrasnw ( talk) 00:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC))
Would like to reaffirm my stance on the title which I expressed below, after having considered the discussion. Also would like to undertake efforts to change policy in accordance with this stance. While the discussion (in the section below) has closed, further comments on the question are invited in this section, prior to a reopening of official discussion and moves to change policy. Karnan ( talk) 20:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no move, the article should remain at its restored name. There is rough consensus for this. Only the proposer has spoken in favour of the move, advocating a novel approach with no Wikipedia policy or guideline to support it. Two other contributors have offered valid arguments opposing. Andrewa ( talk) 19:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
P. J. Sebastian → P. J. Sebastian, Pullamkalam — Present title lacks the surname which makes the title insufficiently distinctive (consisting merely of first name and initials). Conventional reorderings (which include the surname) usual to Europe and other countries with well established Christian naming practices (e. g., Sebastian J. Pullamkalam) will render the name unrecognisable due to historical reasons. Discussion has continued for some time (cf. below). Proposed appending of surname to the common form of the name is how the indviduals in the community in which such names occur (mainly Kerala Christians) have traditionally dealt with the issue. Karnan ( talk) 22:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
This is currently at P. J. Sebastian which is the the name used in the autobiography. The lede says the full name is Pullamkalam Joseph Sebastian. Moving this article to P. J. Sebastian, Pullamkalam is at odds with the reference and the full name. Tassedethe ( talk) 15:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
No one will recognise him if referred to as Pullamkalam Joseph Sebastian. P. J. Sebastian is how he is commonly known (among those who are well aware of his surname). However, in official contexts, the surname is added to distinguish him from other P. J. S.'s. Karnan ( talk) 15:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
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This is the Home page of Late Mr P J Sebastian, Freedom Fighter, Community Activist from Changanacherry, Kerala, India
- There is more info in the sourced -Hindu article ( Msrasnw ( talk) 00:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC))
Would like to reaffirm my stance on the title which I expressed below, after having considered the discussion. Also would like to undertake efforts to change policy in accordance with this stance. While the discussion (in the section below) has closed, further comments on the question are invited in this section, prior to a reopening of official discussion and moves to change policy. Karnan ( talk) 20:39, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no move, the article should remain at its restored name. There is rough consensus for this. Only the proposer has spoken in favour of the move, advocating a novel approach with no Wikipedia policy or guideline to support it. Two other contributors have offered valid arguments opposing. Andrewa ( talk) 19:06, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
P. J. Sebastian → P. J. Sebastian, Pullamkalam — Present title lacks the surname which makes the title insufficiently distinctive (consisting merely of first name and initials). Conventional reorderings (which include the surname) usual to Europe and other countries with well established Christian naming practices (e. g., Sebastian J. Pullamkalam) will render the name unrecognisable due to historical reasons. Discussion has continued for some time (cf. below). Proposed appending of surname to the common form of the name is how the indviduals in the community in which such names occur (mainly Kerala Christians) have traditionally dealt with the issue. Karnan ( talk) 22:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
This is currently at P. J. Sebastian which is the the name used in the autobiography. The lede says the full name is Pullamkalam Joseph Sebastian. Moving this article to P. J. Sebastian, Pullamkalam is at odds with the reference and the full name. Tassedethe ( talk) 15:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
No one will recognise him if referred to as Pullamkalam Joseph Sebastian. P. J. Sebastian is how he is commonly known (among those who are well aware of his surname). However, in official contexts, the surname is added to distinguish him from other P. J. S.'s. Karnan ( talk) 15:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)