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Please put only short notices here about what needs to be done. If there is something that should be discussed, make an new heading for the debate below the other debates. Thanks!
Dysprosia says, "(movies are) not directly related to trans* issues, so i don't think it should be listed".
What is Wikipedia policy regarding entries in "List of *-related topics" ? Does it say that an "indirectly" related topic is not a related topic ? Jay 11:28, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I want to bring up something on this list to featured quality, so we can get it appearing as a featured article.
See Wikipedia:What is a featured article for more info. Question is - which?
As I see it we would need to choose an article that
Any suggestions? Morwen - Talk 20:35, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In the German WP, de:Transgender made it (but needs some reworking by now, anyway). I am not quite sure whether the transgender article here would be so great - it talks basically a lot about what transgender is not, according to some people, and sub-groups, but not about transgender itself. Maybe Transvestism would be a decent choice? Since it also clearly explains what transvestitism is not, it would be just as good a start as most others. -- AlexR 20:33, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
While transsexuality may not occur "naturally" in the animal kingdom (or who knows, maybe it does?), simple sex-change operations have been used by veterinarians to help cats with urinary tract problems. Is this something that should be noted in the article?
This shows a misunderstanding of the transsexual experience. We do not change our sex or chose to live as our correct sex or gender solely because of "gender roles". I wish it was that simple! The issue is far deeper and complex. Also, it is arrogant of us to assume we understand animal consciousness; that we would know whether or not there were transgender issues in other species.
Athbhreith (
talk)
01:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Millions of animals species have yet to be discovered let alone the purposes, intent and implications for all their behaviors including many transgender and hermaphroditic behaviors studied or understood. It's premature to implicitly infer conclusions accept to qualify as still being researched or not yet fully understood. Benjiboi 00:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Should we change the title of this link? because this is rather misleading "Transsexual Film Stars" Redirects to "List of transsexual porn stars". There most be more than just porn star TS film stars.-- Sweety Rose 01:53, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
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The part of the article I take objection to is the category "gender-variant people or behaviour". I just love seeing the terms "Amazon", "Butch and femme" and "Tomboy" lumped in with "Eunuch" and "Skoptzy". It also says, "Many other terms describe gender-variant people or behaviour, without the people being described necessarily being transgender." If it's not transgender, it doesn't belong in this section. On the other hand, "Sissy" and "Shemale" are proudly listed under "People and behavior". I guess this would imply that butches, femmes and tomboys aren't people, perhaps because they are women?
This is what I propose. Remove the description of "gender-variant", and add the link to the "People and Behavior" section. Also, add "Butch and femme" and "Tomboy" as separate designations not under the subtopic of "gender-variant" under "People and Behavior", since this is a purely subjective subdivision not in common usage. In addition, add "bear (gay culture)" and "effeminate" under "People and Behavior". Move "Amazon", "Eunuch" and "Skoptzy" to a separate "Historical Usage" category. Cheddarisbetter ( talk) 08:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Could Between the Lines ( http://betweenthelines.sosdg.org/) take part in the comics section. It deals very well with transsexualism... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.224.163.123 ( talk) 00:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Simulated pregnancy - male crossdressing or roleplaying of a fake pregnancy.[citation needed] is an example of transvestive-like or transgendered behavioral personality. The male may pretend to be a pregnant woman or desires to go through a feminine experience of pregnancy and birth simulation. 71.102.26.168 ( talk) 08:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I have grouped all the nation specific articles that are related to either transgender rights and or history in a new section called Transgender rights and history by nation. Feel free to rename this section if you have a more appropriate title as well as expand and reorganize for readability and flow. -- Devin Murphy ( talk) 17:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
I have grouped all the articles on transgender people and religion in a new section called Transgender people and religion. Feel free to expand this section with any other articles you feel would be relevant. -- Devin Murphy ( talk) 21:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I removed this link from the list of comics as it is not a link to a Wikipedia article but rather a link to the comics web site.
"* Between The Lines "Between the Lines". sosdg.org. Retrieved 14 June 2015."
I also removed the WebComics section for the same reason as the link in the comics section.
"* Assigned Male
"Assigned Male -". www.assignedmale.com. Retrieved 2016-05-03.Chase, Suzi Chase (May 13, 2015).
"Assigned Male': Humor and Insight While Growing Up Trans". Comics Alliance. {{
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help)This is meant to be a list of transgender related Wikipedia articles not a link directory. But if any of my fellow Wikipedians feels any of them would make a good article or make for part of a good article about say transgender comics or webcomics, then and only then should this info be added back. -- Devin Murphy ( talk) 00:01, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
For some reason User:Nived_90 removed Intersex from under "basic terms", which covers basic ground including areas not about being transgender such as sexual orientation, and then inserted intersex under "Gender-variant people or behaviour", here This is controversial. The information on the intersex page should make it clear that intersex people are born with sex characteristics that differ from expectations for male or female bodies (paraphrasing the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights), but this does not make intersex people gender variant. An explanation, and verifiable sources, would be appropriate before making such a substantive change. Trankuility ( talk) 03:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
It's still part of the basic lexicon. People of either part of the binary gender may or may not identify as transgender too, but gender is still a basic term. Also, by definition and use of the binary system of gender expression, they would automatically be a variant of that system, therefor gender variant. Mya Lysippe ( talk) 08:24, 23 October 2017 (UTC)Mya_Lysippe
Removed 'Blanchards Transsexual typology from causes section. This psuedoscience is widely debunked and is akin to saying that homosexuality is caused by the perversion of mens souls or calling homosexuals merely fetishistic perverts going through a phase as an actual cause and denying their right to acknowledged existence(as some 'doctors' might try to tell you).
As such it is inappropriate for the cause section and would be more appropriate in a 'controversy' section. If it is allowed to stay in the causes section, then I am sure I can find some debunked doctors to fit something in the cause section of homosexuality or the maybe some phrenology would be appropriate in the section of the differences between white and black people. I suggest labeling these things appropriately as the fringe controversy they are, usually supported by fanatics. Mya Lysippe ( talk) 08:24, 23 October 2017 (UTC)Mya_Lysippe
This was formerly entitled as a List, but structured as an outline, because of its grouping by topic area rather than alphabetically or chronologically, and by its hierarchical nature, exactly as described at WP:OUTLINE. I've renamed it as an Outline, and consolidated some of the sections in what I thought was a better hierarchy; it's still problematic, and more changes could improve it further.
The lead seemed awkward before, and still is. It attempts to say something about the flux in transgender terminology, but doesn't say much (and doesn't link to Transgender terminology, where there's plenty of information about it). Maybe the outline would be better off dumping most of the lead, with just a sentence or two left, as found at Outline of LGBT topics. Mathglot ( talk) 08:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question, but why is Body Integrity Identity Disorder included on this page? It is a separate disorder from gender dysphoria and isn't inherently related to any other transgender issues. Anomalocarididae ( talk) 22:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please put only short notices here about what needs to be done. If there is something that should be discussed, make an new heading for the debate below the other debates. Thanks!
Dysprosia says, "(movies are) not directly related to trans* issues, so i don't think it should be listed".
What is Wikipedia policy regarding entries in "List of *-related topics" ? Does it say that an "indirectly" related topic is not a related topic ? Jay 11:28, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I want to bring up something on this list to featured quality, so we can get it appearing as a featured article.
See Wikipedia:What is a featured article for more info. Question is - which?
As I see it we would need to choose an article that
Any suggestions? Morwen - Talk 20:35, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In the German WP, de:Transgender made it (but needs some reworking by now, anyway). I am not quite sure whether the transgender article here would be so great - it talks basically a lot about what transgender is not, according to some people, and sub-groups, but not about transgender itself. Maybe Transvestism would be a decent choice? Since it also clearly explains what transvestitism is not, it would be just as good a start as most others. -- AlexR 20:33, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
While transsexuality may not occur "naturally" in the animal kingdom (or who knows, maybe it does?), simple sex-change operations have been used by veterinarians to help cats with urinary tract problems. Is this something that should be noted in the article?
This shows a misunderstanding of the transsexual experience. We do not change our sex or chose to live as our correct sex or gender solely because of "gender roles". I wish it was that simple! The issue is far deeper and complex. Also, it is arrogant of us to assume we understand animal consciousness; that we would know whether or not there were transgender issues in other species.
Athbhreith (
talk)
01:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Millions of animals species have yet to be discovered let alone the purposes, intent and implications for all their behaviors including many transgender and hermaphroditic behaviors studied or understood. It's premature to implicitly infer conclusions accept to qualify as still being researched or not yet fully understood. Benjiboi 00:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Should we change the title of this link? because this is rather misleading "Transsexual Film Stars" Redirects to "List of transsexual porn stars". There most be more than just porn star TS film stars.-- Sweety Rose 01:53, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
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-- ParaDox 13:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC) – Update 01:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC) |
The part of the article I take objection to is the category "gender-variant people or behaviour". I just love seeing the terms "Amazon", "Butch and femme" and "Tomboy" lumped in with "Eunuch" and "Skoptzy". It also says, "Many other terms describe gender-variant people or behaviour, without the people being described necessarily being transgender." If it's not transgender, it doesn't belong in this section. On the other hand, "Sissy" and "Shemale" are proudly listed under "People and behavior". I guess this would imply that butches, femmes and tomboys aren't people, perhaps because they are women?
This is what I propose. Remove the description of "gender-variant", and add the link to the "People and Behavior" section. Also, add "Butch and femme" and "Tomboy" as separate designations not under the subtopic of "gender-variant" under "People and Behavior", since this is a purely subjective subdivision not in common usage. In addition, add "bear (gay culture)" and "effeminate" under "People and Behavior". Move "Amazon", "Eunuch" and "Skoptzy" to a separate "Historical Usage" category. Cheddarisbetter ( talk) 08:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Could Between the Lines ( http://betweenthelines.sosdg.org/) take part in the comics section. It deals very well with transsexualism... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.224.163.123 ( talk) 00:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Simulated pregnancy - male crossdressing or roleplaying of a fake pregnancy.[citation needed] is an example of transvestive-like or transgendered behavioral personality. The male may pretend to be a pregnant woman or desires to go through a feminine experience of pregnancy and birth simulation. 71.102.26.168 ( talk) 08:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I have grouped all the nation specific articles that are related to either transgender rights and or history in a new section called Transgender rights and history by nation. Feel free to rename this section if you have a more appropriate title as well as expand and reorganize for readability and flow. -- Devin Murphy ( talk) 17:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
I have grouped all the articles on transgender people and religion in a new section called Transgender people and religion. Feel free to expand this section with any other articles you feel would be relevant. -- Devin Murphy ( talk) 21:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I removed this link from the list of comics as it is not a link to a Wikipedia article but rather a link to the comics web site.
"* Between The Lines "Between the Lines". sosdg.org. Retrieved 14 June 2015."
I also removed the WebComics section for the same reason as the link in the comics section.
"* Assigned Male
"Assigned Male -". www.assignedmale.com. Retrieved 2016-05-03.Chase, Suzi Chase (May 13, 2015).
"Assigned Male': Humor and Insight While Growing Up Trans". Comics Alliance. {{
cite web}}
: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher=
(
help)
{{
cite web}}
: External link in |title=
(
help)This is meant to be a list of transgender related Wikipedia articles not a link directory. But if any of my fellow Wikipedians feels any of them would make a good article or make for part of a good article about say transgender comics or webcomics, then and only then should this info be added back. -- Devin Murphy ( talk) 00:01, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
For some reason User:Nived_90 removed Intersex from under "basic terms", which covers basic ground including areas not about being transgender such as sexual orientation, and then inserted intersex under "Gender-variant people or behaviour", here This is controversial. The information on the intersex page should make it clear that intersex people are born with sex characteristics that differ from expectations for male or female bodies (paraphrasing the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights), but this does not make intersex people gender variant. An explanation, and verifiable sources, would be appropriate before making such a substantive change. Trankuility ( talk) 03:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
It's still part of the basic lexicon. People of either part of the binary gender may or may not identify as transgender too, but gender is still a basic term. Also, by definition and use of the binary system of gender expression, they would automatically be a variant of that system, therefor gender variant. Mya Lysippe ( talk) 08:24, 23 October 2017 (UTC)Mya_Lysippe
Removed 'Blanchards Transsexual typology from causes section. This psuedoscience is widely debunked and is akin to saying that homosexuality is caused by the perversion of mens souls or calling homosexuals merely fetishistic perverts going through a phase as an actual cause and denying their right to acknowledged existence(as some 'doctors' might try to tell you).
As such it is inappropriate for the cause section and would be more appropriate in a 'controversy' section. If it is allowed to stay in the causes section, then I am sure I can find some debunked doctors to fit something in the cause section of homosexuality or the maybe some phrenology would be appropriate in the section of the differences between white and black people. I suggest labeling these things appropriately as the fringe controversy they are, usually supported by fanatics. Mya Lysippe ( talk) 08:24, 23 October 2017 (UTC)Mya_Lysippe
This was formerly entitled as a List, but structured as an outline, because of its grouping by topic area rather than alphabetically or chronologically, and by its hierarchical nature, exactly as described at WP:OUTLINE. I've renamed it as an Outline, and consolidated some of the sections in what I thought was a better hierarchy; it's still problematic, and more changes could improve it further.
The lead seemed awkward before, and still is. It attempts to say something about the flux in transgender terminology, but doesn't say much (and doesn't link to Transgender terminology, where there's plenty of information about it). Maybe the outline would be better off dumping most of the lead, with just a sentence or two left, as found at Outline of LGBT topics. Mathglot ( talk) 08:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question, but why is Body Integrity Identity Disorder included on this page? It is a separate disorder from gender dysphoria and isn't inherently related to any other transgender issues. Anomalocarididae ( talk) 22:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)