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It's not ironic that he never saw Otto after saying "that's the last we'll see of him". It's fitting Qwerty21212121 ( talk) 10:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
I removed this from the article:
It is a video from 60 Minutes Australia, but I didn't think youtube should be used as a source. Perhaps this could be tidied up. This tourist (who is not a compatriot) gives a different account from other members of the group, who don't mention being ushered on board the plane with "machine guns". Compare with: [1] [2] [3] Her statement (around 7 minutes in) is that she remembers going back to the hotel around 3am, not before 2am. This is a recollection apparently years after the incident by someone who was potentially tired and intoxicated at the time. I haven't seen any other account of a group member who says this. This says, "Their second night in Pyongyang was New Year’s Eve and the whole group went out into the city square before coming back to the hotel for more drinking". Did they continue drinking after 3am? Was the bar still open? This suggests they returned to the hotel soon after midnight. Warmbier's roommate Gratton indicates that there was a "two-hour window" where no one could account for Warmbier and that he saw him sleeping in his bed at around 4:30am. I think the reality is that different people have different recollections — which are possibly based on different experiences, because the group might not have been together at this point. I think we could expand on this section, but we should be aware that there are differing accounts.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 07:58, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
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Another problem. This, quoted in the article, says, "Ten other U.S. citizens were on the tour". This refers to "Gratton and the other tourists, a mix of Canadians, Australians, Europeans, and at least one other American". I'm not sure why we care how many Americans were in the group, but there does seem to be a big discrepancy. This says there were 20 people in the group all ap.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
A sentence in the "Early Life" section reads, "He was a member of the Theta Chi fraternity and also." Chocohall ( talk) 22:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
You neglected to mention that Trump got him released, along with other political prisoners. Also, Trump got over 50 MIA's remains returned to the US. 2600:1700:F180:FFD0:780C:EFC2:4019:E84F ( talk) 12:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
"Tillerson also announced that the State Department had secured Warmbier's release at the direction of President Donald Trump, and the State Department would continue discussing three other detained Americans with North Korea."The subsequent release of those three Korean-Americans is mentioned in an endnote. And Wikipedia already has a separate article about the MIA remains. — Muzilon ( talk) 13:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I queried whether Asian Boss is a reliable source. This is the result. Jack Upland ( talk) 03:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Benwetmore: please see this archived discussion. Although there was much media speculation that Warmbier may have strayed onto the staff-only fifth floor of the Yanggakdo Hotel, Warmbier's confession clearly stated that he took the poster from the second floor of the hotel. [5] [6] I have updated the pertinent endnote per WP:CONFLICTING. Muzilon ( talk) 19:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
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It's not ironic that he never saw Otto after saying "that's the last we'll see of him". It's fitting Qwerty21212121 ( talk) 10:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
I removed this from the article:
It is a video from 60 Minutes Australia, but I didn't think youtube should be used as a source. Perhaps this could be tidied up. This tourist (who is not a compatriot) gives a different account from other members of the group, who don't mention being ushered on board the plane with "machine guns". Compare with: [1] [2] [3] Her statement (around 7 minutes in) is that she remembers going back to the hotel around 3am, not before 2am. This is a recollection apparently years after the incident by someone who was potentially tired and intoxicated at the time. I haven't seen any other account of a group member who says this. This says, "Their second night in Pyongyang was New Year’s Eve and the whole group went out into the city square before coming back to the hotel for more drinking". Did they continue drinking after 3am? Was the bar still open? This suggests they returned to the hotel soon after midnight. Warmbier's roommate Gratton indicates that there was a "two-hour window" where no one could account for Warmbier and that he saw him sleeping in his bed at around 4:30am. I think the reality is that different people have different recollections — which are possibly based on different experiences, because the group might not have been together at this point. I think we could expand on this section, but we should be aware that there are differing accounts.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 07:58, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
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Another problem. This, quoted in the article, says, "Ten other U.S. citizens were on the tour". This refers to "Gratton and the other tourists, a mix of Canadians, Australians, Europeans, and at least one other American". I'm not sure why we care how many Americans were in the group, but there does seem to be a big discrepancy. This says there were 20 people in the group all ap.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
A sentence in the "Early Life" section reads, "He was a member of the Theta Chi fraternity and also." Chocohall ( talk) 22:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
You neglected to mention that Trump got him released, along with other political prisoners. Also, Trump got over 50 MIA's remains returned to the US. 2600:1700:F180:FFD0:780C:EFC2:4019:E84F ( talk) 12:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
"Tillerson also announced that the State Department had secured Warmbier's release at the direction of President Donald Trump, and the State Department would continue discussing three other detained Americans with North Korea."The subsequent release of those three Korean-Americans is mentioned in an endnote. And Wikipedia already has a separate article about the MIA remains. — Muzilon ( talk) 13:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I queried whether Asian Boss is a reliable source. This is the result. Jack Upland ( talk) 03:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Benwetmore: please see this archived discussion. Although there was much media speculation that Warmbier may have strayed onto the staff-only fifth floor of the Yanggakdo Hotel, Warmbier's confession clearly stated that he took the poster from the second floor of the hotel. [5] [6] I have updated the pertinent endnote per WP:CONFLICTING. Muzilon ( talk) 19:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)