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Full explaination given here: Talk:Stephen I of Bosnia. Also, see User_talk:HolyRomanEmperor/Archive5#.22Serb.2FCroat.2FBosniak.22_History_Categories - it's relevant to the subject. -- HolyRomanEmperor 20:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I accept the use of history of the serbs in this article but i have put up "bosniak history" too since he is a part of bosniak history.
As for the part where it says he is a Bosnian and SERBIAN king I have removed it because he was simple Bosnian king and nothing else. Hungarian kings declered themself king of serbs too, does that make them Serbian kings? No!
And you cant be a Serbian king if you have no power in Serbia. Pretty logical? Alkalada 15:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, since bosniak means bosnian! It meant the same thing as the modern day word "bosanac", "Bosnian" means today. First it was called bosnjanin then the name changed, not because of the turks but because the Bosnian language was changed, example... poljak, slovak and so on and bosnjanin then became bosnjak and bosnjak meant bosnian.
This means that bosniaks are bosnians while serbs and croats arent. They are simple serbs an croats. And because the word bosniak mean bosnian and since it is historically proved that the citizens of Bosnia was Bosnians then Tvrtko and all other BOSNIAN kings, bans and nobilities were and are part of Bosniak and Bosnian history.
Husein Gradascevic said to the turks that bosniaks have existed before you and if Allah wants even after you. I hope you understand now.
People have fully freedom to express thereself who and what they are but if someone says he is a croat or serb then he is not bosnian but croat or serb. If someone says he is bosniak then he is bosnian. Alkalada 21:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Bosnjak was just an development of the Bosnian language like the world slovak, poljak which was changed and believe me it wasnt the turks who forced us to change our language!
Yes, that is today. Because Bosnia is an country, then all 3 ethnicities are called Bosnians but there are Herzegovina too and croats in Herzegovina would much rather be called Herzegovinian than Bosnian. But what I am trying to say is that no serb or croat have the right to call themself Bosnian since we bosniaks have been called bosniaks (bosnians) for more than 900 years. There are stecaks in yea 1080 or something that is naming bosnjanin as a specific nation. Alkalada 22:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
It is historically documented that Bosnian Church was the state religion before the crusaders and before the arrival of franciscans and that this religion was the religon of the bosniak people (then called bosnjanins). However some were forced to convert to catholicism and some were so brainwashed that they accepted catholicism. Thoose who bravely kept their religion to the arrival of turks directly accepted Islam while those catholics who accepted Islam were simply Bosnian bogumils who earlier had converted to catholicism. Since Bosnia was and still is kind of isolated then there were no strong religion and people could change religion every week. That is why many Bosnians accepted Islam. Alkalada 22:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
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Full explaination given here: Talk:Stephen I of Bosnia. Also, see User_talk:HolyRomanEmperor/Archive5#.22Serb.2FCroat.2FBosniak.22_History_Categories - it's relevant to the subject. -- HolyRomanEmperor 20:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Alright, I accept the use of history of the serbs in this article but i have put up "bosniak history" too since he is a part of bosniak history.
As for the part where it says he is a Bosnian and SERBIAN king I have removed it because he was simple Bosnian king and nothing else. Hungarian kings declered themself king of serbs too, does that make them Serbian kings? No!
And you cant be a Serbian king if you have no power in Serbia. Pretty logical? Alkalada 15:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, since bosniak means bosnian! It meant the same thing as the modern day word "bosanac", "Bosnian" means today. First it was called bosnjanin then the name changed, not because of the turks but because the Bosnian language was changed, example... poljak, slovak and so on and bosnjanin then became bosnjak and bosnjak meant bosnian.
This means that bosniaks are bosnians while serbs and croats arent. They are simple serbs an croats. And because the word bosniak mean bosnian and since it is historically proved that the citizens of Bosnia was Bosnians then Tvrtko and all other BOSNIAN kings, bans and nobilities were and are part of Bosniak and Bosnian history.
Husein Gradascevic said to the turks that bosniaks have existed before you and if Allah wants even after you. I hope you understand now.
People have fully freedom to express thereself who and what they are but if someone says he is a croat or serb then he is not bosnian but croat or serb. If someone says he is bosniak then he is bosnian. Alkalada 21:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Bosnjak was just an development of the Bosnian language like the world slovak, poljak which was changed and believe me it wasnt the turks who forced us to change our language!
Yes, that is today. Because Bosnia is an country, then all 3 ethnicities are called Bosnians but there are Herzegovina too and croats in Herzegovina would much rather be called Herzegovinian than Bosnian. But what I am trying to say is that no serb or croat have the right to call themself Bosnian since we bosniaks have been called bosniaks (bosnians) for more than 900 years. There are stecaks in yea 1080 or something that is naming bosnjanin as a specific nation. Alkalada 22:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
It is historically documented that Bosnian Church was the state religion before the crusaders and before the arrival of franciscans and that this religion was the religon of the bosniak people (then called bosnjanins). However some were forced to convert to catholicism and some were so brainwashed that they accepted catholicism. Thoose who bravely kept their religion to the arrival of turks directly accepted Islam while those catholics who accepted Islam were simply Bosnian bogumils who earlier had converted to catholicism. Since Bosnia was and still is kind of isolated then there were no strong religion and people could change religion every week. That is why many Bosnians accepted Islam. Alkalada 22:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)