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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 05:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The article currently does not even dare to mention the words "milk" and "dairy". This is too wimpy! Whatever the competing claims pro and con, they ought to be acknowledged, in the article; if the upshot is "nothing conclusively proven" say so... People will come to this article to try to understand if they should perhaps be drinking more milk; what is known?- 71.174.175.150 ( talk) 20:57, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Crandall, Annals of Internal Medicine, p. 716, said "most ... but not all ... original studies and meta-analyses have concluded that there is no increased risk, and concern about atrial fibrillation has faded." -- Nbauman ( talk) 20:35, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
From Br Med Bull doi:10.1093/bmb/ldu042 JFW | T@lk 16:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
PMID 23440163 says: "These recommendations apply to noninstitutionalized or community-dwelling asymptomatic adults without a history of fractures. This recommendation does not apply to the treatment of persons with osteoporosis or vitamin D deficiency." Can someone who has access to the full text explain why it is used in the "Nutrition" section here? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:44, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
... here: doi:10.1056/NEJMcp1513724 JFW | T@lk 11:52, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
1:Vertebroplasty:-percutaneous injection of cement methyl methacrylate in vertebral bodies. 2: kyphoplasty 3:-prptective hip pads Khalidmehraj1993 ( talk) 20:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
doi:10.2215/CJN.11031017 - the specific entity of CKD-osteoporosis. JFW | T@lk 15:29, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
The refs given make no mention of 'white people'. If the article points to trends within trial subjects of a Caucasian background, then it should state that. The phrase "white people" means nothing at all. Anna ( talk) 22:38, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
I am currently a Student Pharmacist at the University of California, San Francisco, and will be making the following edits for my Foundations II course:
Please let me know whether or not any of the aforementioned topics/edits are appropriate for this article. Thank you kindly! Knguyen525 ( talk) 21:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
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Group 6A made huge improvements by adding a "Diet" section, discussing links between Celiac Disease and osteoporosis, and increased osteoporotic risk in postmenopausal women. I did not see any updates on medications for osteoporosis even though this was a goal and there have been some recently FDA approved in the last several years. Overall, the edit was well done and I did not find any evidence of plagiarism or copyright violation.
Cindytrac ( talk) 17:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
My brother is a patient of Ostioporosis and he took Zeledronic acid in Injection format. He was advised by doctor to take that again after one year. If he took the first dose on 01.01.2019 then what is the perfect time for him to take again. I mean if he make a little bit delay like 10 days then will that ok? the previous dose will ok or shall take again? Abedinz1975 ( talk) 16:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Usually some underlying cause. doi:10.1210/clinem/dgaa306 JFW | T@lk 19:27, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Evenity/ Romosozumab is a relatively new treatment for osteoporosis approved in 2019. A little bit more detailed information also on the page on Sclerostin. I think the osteoporosis section on medication should include mention of this new treatment, but it is already very well-structured and I don't really know where it would fit. Anyway, there's something to do there for some volunteer. JunasLB ( talk) 19:36, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Protein does not lead to acidosis - this is a myth confirmed by multiple studies: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28404575/; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21102327/ The study cited is observational study which is of poor quality; Higher-quality prospective study shows that dairy consumption REDUCES the risk of osteoporosis - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2294135/; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7699532/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.126.34.134 ( talk)
Sorry but I do not have the time to learn how to and edit the page properly. The references you need are the links in my previous comment. If you'd like more links to studies I can provide them. I am an MD and I have a Ph.D. in Nutrition.
I am just pointing out a huge mistake that promotes fear of dairy. And this fear leads to more people avoiding dairy and becoming calcium deficient. Supplementation is not a good option due to the risk of side effects. The time it is taking you to fix the error is proof that unfortunately, Wikipedia pages are not always to be trusted with correct information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.126.34.134 ( talk) 06:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
IP 87, thanks for weighing in. That entire section was added by a student editor using an old source. [1]. We need to doublecheck and rewrite the entire thing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. @ Helaine (Wiki Ed): could you get the UCSF course to stay in sandbox? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 09:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Sheesh, just look at the dates of the sources used here, relative to more recent WP:MEDRS and WP:MEDDATE sources available. Doing great on women’s health? Besides general neglect in updating this article for years, two classes of student editors have been here, so a top-to-bottom rewrite is in order here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 08:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
See section below for my suggestions. David notMD ( talk) 01:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Unless the statements are not discussed in the body, leads are discouraged to have citations. This is common practice in many articles like Typhoon Gay (1989) and Hurricane Lane (2018). Some of the lead's citations are also repeated, like ref3 in the first paragraph. I deleted all inappropriate citations and kept the appropriate ones, but was reverted by Iztwoz. RexxS cited MOS:LEAD in a summary, which ironically states: "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body, and information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source." Gerald WL 08:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
I have a COI (was in research dept of National Dairy Council when NDC was funding a lot of the calcium and osteoporosis research), so not making changes directly to the article.
I may have more suggestions, but hope that editors with an interest in this article review these as a start. David notMD ( talk) 01:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I am doing direct editing here, because unlike for the Nutrition subsection, I have no COI. David notMD ( talk) 16:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 July 2019 and 23 August 2019. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Sabrinabulla,
Amandabair,
Knguyen525,
NoraCortez.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 05:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The article currently does not even dare to mention the words "milk" and "dairy". This is too wimpy! Whatever the competing claims pro and con, they ought to be acknowledged, in the article; if the upshot is "nothing conclusively proven" say so... People will come to this article to try to understand if they should perhaps be drinking more milk; what is known?- 71.174.175.150 ( talk) 20:57, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Crandall, Annals of Internal Medicine, p. 716, said "most ... but not all ... original studies and meta-analyses have concluded that there is no increased risk, and concern about atrial fibrillation has faded." -- Nbauman ( talk) 20:35, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
From Br Med Bull doi:10.1093/bmb/ldu042 JFW | T@lk 16:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
PMID 23440163 says: "These recommendations apply to noninstitutionalized or community-dwelling asymptomatic adults without a history of fractures. This recommendation does not apply to the treatment of persons with osteoporosis or vitamin D deficiency." Can someone who has access to the full text explain why it is used in the "Nutrition" section here? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:44, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
... here: doi:10.1056/NEJMcp1513724 JFW | T@lk 11:52, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
1:Vertebroplasty:-percutaneous injection of cement methyl methacrylate in vertebral bodies. 2: kyphoplasty 3:-prptective hip pads Khalidmehraj1993 ( talk) 20:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
doi:10.2215/CJN.11031017 - the specific entity of CKD-osteoporosis. JFW | T@lk 15:29, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
The refs given make no mention of 'white people'. If the article points to trends within trial subjects of a Caucasian background, then it should state that. The phrase "white people" means nothing at all. Anna ( talk) 22:38, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
I am currently a Student Pharmacist at the University of California, San Francisco, and will be making the following edits for my Foundations II course:
Please let me know whether or not any of the aforementioned topics/edits are appropriate for this article. Thank you kindly! Knguyen525 ( talk) 21:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
--- Rachel's Peer Review (Group 6C)
AMONGxicillin ( talk) 16:20, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Roy's Peer Review (Group 6C)
RwengUCSF ( talk) 16:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
David's Peer Review
Davdang ( talk) 17:17, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Cindy's Peer Review
Group 6A made huge improvements by adding a "Diet" section, discussing links between Celiac Disease and osteoporosis, and increased osteoporotic risk in postmenopausal women. I did not see any updates on medications for osteoporosis even though this was a goal and there have been some recently FDA approved in the last several years. Overall, the edit was well done and I did not find any evidence of plagiarism or copyright violation.
Cindytrac ( talk) 17:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
My brother is a patient of Ostioporosis and he took Zeledronic acid in Injection format. He was advised by doctor to take that again after one year. If he took the first dose on 01.01.2019 then what is the perfect time for him to take again. I mean if he make a little bit delay like 10 days then will that ok? the previous dose will ok or shall take again? Abedinz1975 ( talk) 16:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
Usually some underlying cause. doi:10.1210/clinem/dgaa306 JFW | T@lk 19:27, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Evenity/ Romosozumab is a relatively new treatment for osteoporosis approved in 2019. A little bit more detailed information also on the page on Sclerostin. I think the osteoporosis section on medication should include mention of this new treatment, but it is already very well-structured and I don't really know where it would fit. Anyway, there's something to do there for some volunteer. JunasLB ( talk) 19:36, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Protein does not lead to acidosis - this is a myth confirmed by multiple studies: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28404575/; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21102327/ The study cited is observational study which is of poor quality; Higher-quality prospective study shows that dairy consumption REDUCES the risk of osteoporosis - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2294135/; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7699532/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.126.34.134 ( talk)
Sorry but I do not have the time to learn how to and edit the page properly. The references you need are the links in my previous comment. If you'd like more links to studies I can provide them. I am an MD and I have a Ph.D. in Nutrition.
I am just pointing out a huge mistake that promotes fear of dairy. And this fear leads to more people avoiding dairy and becoming calcium deficient. Supplementation is not a good option due to the risk of side effects. The time it is taking you to fix the error is proof that unfortunately, Wikipedia pages are not always to be trusted with correct information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.126.34.134 ( talk) 06:10, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
IP 87, thanks for weighing in. That entire section was added by a student editor using an old source. [1]. We need to doublecheck and rewrite the entire thing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. @ Helaine (Wiki Ed): could you get the UCSF course to stay in sandbox? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 09:42, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Sheesh, just look at the dates of the sources used here, relative to more recent WP:MEDRS and WP:MEDDATE sources available. Doing great on women’s health? Besides general neglect in updating this article for years, two classes of student editors have been here, so a top-to-bottom rewrite is in order here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 08:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
See section below for my suggestions. David notMD ( talk) 01:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
Unless the statements are not discussed in the body, leads are discouraged to have citations. This is common practice in many articles like Typhoon Gay (1989) and Hurricane Lane (2018). Some of the lead's citations are also repeated, like ref3 in the first paragraph. I deleted all inappropriate citations and kept the appropriate ones, but was reverted by Iztwoz. RexxS cited MOS:LEAD in a summary, which ironically states: "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Leads are usually written at a greater level of generality than the body, and information in the lead section of non-controversial subjects is less likely to be challenged and less likely to require a source." Gerald WL 08:45, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
I have a COI (was in research dept of National Dairy Council when NDC was funding a lot of the calcium and osteoporosis research), so not making changes directly to the article.
I may have more suggestions, but hope that editors with an interest in this article review these as a start. David notMD ( talk) 01:40, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
I am doing direct editing here, because unlike for the Nutrition subsection, I have no COI. David notMD ( talk) 16:24, 19 December 2020 (UTC)