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The article about Oromia is a very racist and divisive article intended to spread false and tiwisted information. It is aim is nothing more than to promote separatist propaganda and distroy Ethiopia as a nation. It is a very biased pro-Oromo antiAmhara article. bek —the preceding comment is by 64.229.248.187 - 01:39, 16 December 2004: Please sign your posts!
Well, by now the Article is certainly not biased anymore, as it indeed was before. Much interesting information about Oromo culture was lost however. It would be nice if somebody could add this information again while keeping out the clear bias. Chris —the preceding comment is by 134.146.0.6 - 21:10, 13 January 2005: Please sign your posts!
I have added information about the regional capital, Finfine (which now has its own article in Wikipedia). I know that the selection of Finfine as the capital was controversial, and I knew I could not mention Adama without also mentioning the controversy. I tried to keep NPOV. Gyrofrog 20:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
um hello, my name is rosyln and i'm actually an african studies major. i am quite fascinated with east africa particularly ethiopia. i was reading your page and it came to my attention that you spelled the name of your region with the english letters. am i mistaken? and if i'm not, how long has it been since the english language use? (it was my understanding that one of the beautiful things about your country is that it has its own dialect and so numerous unlike anywhere else in the world having sustained these alphabets for such a long time so it just so happen to have caught me off guard)
sincerely —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.59.165.44 ( talk • contribs) 01:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
oh ok, i think i understand. so, this particular group changed the traditional letters to the Latin alphabet in order to riot against other Ethiopians (or i guess a particular ethiopian group)?
The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne (Addis Ababa). The decision to move the city to Adama was against the constitution and purely a political decision. No one except the Oromo people has the right over thier land. The Amara elite fear the very name of Oromia and Oromo. Now the city in another political decision moved back to Finfinne. Those who deny themsels the truth die from its hunger.
Bontu Oromia —the preceding comment is by 172.162.147.208 - 23:02, 23 June 2005: Please sign your posts!
Comparing information on the Oromia Government website & from the Worldstatesmen webpage, I find that the names of the most recent Presidents differ:
Worldstatesmen | Oromia Government |
Juneidi Sad (commented out: or Junedin Sado) |
Obbo Juneydi Saddo |
Abadula Gemeda | Abbadula Gemmeda |
So which forms of these names should we follow in this article? -- llywrch 22:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
As Oromia constitution states, Addis Ababa is its capital city and Harari region is its administrative center for East Hararghe Zone. I think we need to add this when saying " Addis Ababa as an enclave surrounded by Shewa in its center and the Harari Region as an enclave surrounded by East Hararghe in its east." If there is no oppose, I would try to add next week. 196.189.89.245 ( talk) 11:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Oromia region. There's an interesting debate here about the shorter Oromia, but there didn't seem to be consensus either way. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 06:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Oromia Region →
Oromia region – Sources don't cap region (see
news). Alternatively, if users prefer a proper-name title, then "Oromia Regional State" is a possibility; or "State of Oromia" as in the constitution.
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The Supermind ( talk) 18:57, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Procedural close. An RM on this topic has only just concluded, with a consensus to move to the present title. If there is an issue with the close (which seems unlikely, as the consensus looks quite clear) then that should be discussed with the closer and possibly challenged at WP:MRV. But opening an immediate new RM is out of process. Cheers — Amakuru ( talk) 15:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Oromia region → Oromia Region – The subject talks about a particular region name in Ethiopia. Thus, the name must use capitalization in Region or should use parenthesis like Oromia (region). I am totally disagreed with the fixated Oromia region. The Supermind ( talk) 15:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 07:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Oromia region → Oromia – Already redirects here. This is the primary topic. The only other Oromia we have is the Oromia Zone and that can be dealt with in a hatnote. The only other Oromias are (a) the Oromo homeland and (b) Greater Oromia, both controversial topics and neither normally called Oromia. Srnec ( talk) 01:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
I made a number of changes to the history section, which was in a very bad shape, with lots of editorialising language, bad English, poorly formatted sources, and events placed haphazardly out of chronological sequence. Doubtlessly some of the Oromo firebrands editing this page wish to reinsert some of the more excitable POV language previously found in that paragraph. I invite you to not revert the changes in one swell foop, but to challenge them individually, as I have given careful edit summaries to each of the edits. I trust that on the whole you'll agree that these edits are an improvement to what was there before. Please challenge these edits based on Wikipedia policies, and not on your strong feelings which may dictate that something else ought to be standing there. This page is not served well if it reads like an OLF pamphlet. LandLing 19:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
MfactDr just introduced a statement plus source relating to an incident in 1985 into the section dealing with incidents before 1940. This is the kind of edits I was just cleaning up - placing undue minor grievances which add nothing to what's already there, and placing them out of chronological sequence into a history section. This is an encyclopedia page, and not an unstructured repository for any kind of incident one can find on the www to show that the Oromo are the most suppressed people in existence. I give the editor some time to remove this edit themselves, before I do so. LandLing 10:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
@ LandLing, You are deliberately causing another editor to become irritated or annoyed by calling “Oromo firebrands” editing this page and calling again reinsert some of the more excitable POV language without evidence. However, you no right to label, re-brand editor and attack editor. MfactDr ( talk) 08:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
LandLing, Why don’t you add inhabitant before Oromo in Finfinnee? As you claimed living Addis Ababa so want to deny Finfinnee not belong to Oromo? so want to degrade Oromo and conceal Amhara crime, right? you want to prevent disclosure information anything about Oromo by concealing and deleting part or whole the content. So, your aim is to reject carnages in the Oromia by the derg? This historical fact and atrocities in Oromia region is incontestable. MfactDr ( talk) 08:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
I am going to use all caps for this.....THE CAPITAL CITY FOR ORMIA REGION IS NOT ADDIS ABABA IT IS ADAMA. ADDIS ABEBA AKA SHEGER IS A CAPITAL CITY OF ETHIOPIA AND A HOME FOR AFRICAN UNION HEAD QUARTER.07:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC) 2601:601:A001:1F50:E9F2:5A9:19F8:87DB ( talk)
The Oromo and regional state of Oromia refers to it as "Finfinne". Therefore it is just to call it that first since this is the Oromia page. Leyncho ( talk) 02:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
If the name is dependent on sources, we will assert our claims whether Addis Ababa and Finfinne are parallel synonymous. In Quartz Africa it states "...the federal capital, which they call Finfinne, belongs to Oromia." That's claim of Oromo people. You have no right to remove my source and I will continue to find good type of source and courageously add them. The Supermind ( talk) 13:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
The article does not rely to secondary sources and the neutrality is apparently disputed. For instance [28] and [29]. The Supermind ( talk) 10:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@ MfactDr: please you're siding with Oromo viewpoint, not the article. Most of references made Oromian point of view. Look at [31]. This is definitely original primary site, not source, because there is no explicit information inside just there is address and telephone or fax number. Such source should be removed from Wikipedia because of trivial, not addressing Federal court confirming Addis Ababa as Finfinne. MfactDr you might be reluctantly insisted to discuss that doesn't expect from Wikipedians. If you're true Wikipedian, please inspect the article references cautiously. The Supermind ( talk) 12:58, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@ MfactDr: Hahaha! Are you saying this source is reliable? That site obviously created by yourself recently. Look at the margin interface. It says "we are created recently" by website spoofing. This is not governmental website because of poor incomplete html syntax– is self-evident for OR. Please don't show me primary sources that is only dependent on Oromo related subjects such as [32] and [33]. Add secondary sources like international outlets, BBC, Al Jazeeria, CNN, and university journals. You're constituently presenting Oromo-related sources such as the latter two links above, written entirely in Oromo language and I didn't understand even if when I use translation software. The Supermind ( talk) 06:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
@ MfactDr: Still you're not showing secondary sources of Federal government declaration Addis Ababa as Finfinne. This one is not reliable source, and irrelevant to our subject. It contains unrelated topic involving excessive address and the language can't be translated to English. The earlier site is obviously website spoofing, a content masquerading that is used for deception to official website. So, it is pretending like official website of Ethiopian government, which is strictly discouraged, or even removable from Wikipedia. Please note WP:NOTWEBHOST, even if you're supportive to this content creator. This one is primary source that is still dependent to Oromia–meaning the website is owned by Oromian. Please leave the Oromia related website and find international outlets that serve as reliable secondary sources as I mentioned above while avoiding sites that are completely written by Oromo experts and historians, rather find international English source outside the country. I'm doing with WP: DISCUSSCONSENSUS, not for pushing your idea. The Supermind ( talk) 14:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
In order to approach dispute resolution, I've tagged {{ review}} for scrutinize the biased article. The Supermind ( talk) 14:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
That site obviously created by yourself recently. Look at the margin interface. It says "we are created recently" by website spoofing.". That's an Internet Archive 2008 archive of a website. Now in 2021 it cannot be consider recent. And the likelihood MfactD created that website in 2008 seems incredibly low. Please take care with what you say as false accusations of that sort can be seen as a personal attack and in any case makes it very hard to have a reasonable discussion. Nil Einne ( talk) 22:31, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Nil Einne and MfactDr: I apologized for my neglect action for counting [37] (not [38]) as original source and I seriously offended MfactDr by claiming them "content creator". MfactDr does removed vital source [39], as well as Quartz Africa – that is wrong. Finally I acknowledged that there is an embassy sources (which MfactDr forget to present). Regarding WP:WikiProject Ethiopia, I will open discussion soon involving overseeing vandalism and systemic bias in Ethiopia related subjects and let's cooperate with it. Thanks! The Supermind ( talk) 15:00, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to add Sheger in both the lead and infobox section. I've provided three sources: [40] [41] and [42]. The Supermind ( talk) 15:50, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored
...as appropriate. Forcing your way through without consensus is not appropriate. – Austronesier ( talk) 07:35, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@ MfactDr: I told you in the talk page that I have the right to add source and the request permit me to manually add Sheger. Please don't make trouble with me I've no time to argue such silly things. As you do to warn removing source, I do warn you so. The Supermind ( talk) 06:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
this page must be edited in accordance with Oromia government. Neither do I say that
Finfinne is official name. As in the previous discussion, I have to repeat myself to avoid further misreadings: there is no single truth here, and different factions prefer different official names. "Addis Ababa" is the WP:COMMONNAME in English-language sources, and also the official name as used by the central government. "Finfinne" is the Oromo name for the same thing and used as an official by state government of Oromia. As such, it has appeared in English-language publications, including the Quartz article which you yourself have brought up and which literally says in the caption of the top image "Addis Ababa aka Finfinne". I argue that "finfinne" is significant and relevant, and thus due for mention in the lede and infobox, especially in the context of this article. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:20, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Just because this article consistently uses non-US date formats says nothing about the flavour of English spelling it should consistently use.
However, this article was started on 4 March 2004 and the first substantial edit that introduced a varietal English spelling on 12 December 2004 used the non-US English flavour of labour in the sentence "Those who remained on the land were reduced to the status of gabbar (a peasant from whom labour and produce is exacted and is a crude form of serfdom)." (In US English, the spelling is usually "labor", without a "u". In all other main varieties of English, it's "labour". Because the 57,044 bytes added by the IP editor were wrongfully suspected of being a copyright violation, their version was immediately reverted.)
Since this article is not on a topic that has
strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation,
(the
Commonwealth military occupation
after they booted out the Italians was very ephemeral)
we should now
consistently use the variety found in the first post-
stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety.
Consequently, I shall now place the appropriate Varieties of English template on this page. -- Bushel C andle 08:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Ethnic group | 1994 Census | 2007 Census |
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Oromo | 91% | 92% |
Amhara | 3.9% | 4.1% |
other ethnic groups | -% | 5% |
I've just spent a very tedious and unfruitful few hours wading through the 1660 pages (plus foreword) of the pdf file "Population and Housing Census 1994 – Oromiay Region" that I downloaded from https://www.statsethiopia.gov.et/census-1994/.
Pages 184 to 217 provide individual breakdowns for each wereda of the "Five major ethnic groups and" (other) "ethnic groups with population size of 500 and over of weredas" but nowhere in that report do I find ethnic breakdowns totalled for the region as a whole.
Now, of course, I could spend a few happy days totalling up the individual figures and doing the calculations but I remain extremely dubious about whether the table currently in our article (and exhibited above in its current state as at the timestamp on this comment) is a complete work of fiction, or "original research" - especially as it is currently both unsourced and subject to incessant edit-warring. What do other editors think? -- Bushel C andle 06:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
The data about the religious composition of the population is even more absurd (taken from the current version):
Religion (entire region) | 1994 Census | 2007 Census [1] |
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Muslim | 47.3% | 47.6% |
Orthodox Christians | 37% | 38.4% |
Protestant Christians | 8.6% | 9.7% |
Waaqeffanna | 4.2% | 3.3% |
other religious groups | 1.6% | 1% |
Religion (urban areas) | 1994 Census | 2019 Census [1] |
---|---|---|
Orthodox Christians | 68.3% | 31.7% |
Muslim | 49.2% | 38.8% |
Protestant Christians | 15.6% | 9.7% |
other religious groups | – | 1.5% |
The "urban areas"-data from the 1994 census sums up to 133,1%. I will fix this, too. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: Not moved per unanimous consensus, identified as primary topic. No such user ( talk) 12:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Oromia → Oromia Region – Courtesy move request. Not identifying what it is, see Oromia Zone and Oromia Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne. Unless you give an exclusive naming for the region as Oromia, most readers ambiguated with all things surrounding Oromo zones and regions. The Supermind ( talk) 09:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Was this piece written by the OLF? 102.52.52.14 ( talk) 17:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
At the moment the article is disgusting. In the Ethiosemitic article there are plenty of proof that the Ethiosemitics crossed the Red Sea 3000 years ago, not 1000 years ago.
> as there is still no correct estimate of the history of their settlement in the region. An evidence is given that they are the womb from which most of the eastern Cushitic peoples emerged...
What evidence is given? What does this even mean? This is very poetic language and I think it is unsuitable. There is evidence that the Somalis are an eastern Cushitic people, but I have found absolutely no evidence that the eastern Cushitic peoples are break-away groups from the Oromo.
The source on the Arabian and Jewish settlement of Ethiopia is an Amazon link. Not cool.
> Ethiopians often refer to aboriginal people of Central and Southern Ethiopia as immigrants as they say "Accuse Your Enemy Of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing It To Create Confusion"
This is very strange. Is this happening in the modern day, 800 years after the arrival? I was so confused that I actually got a copy of this book "Aksum : an African civilisation of late antiquity" from the central library in my city and the source is blatantly false. Page 73 of the book deals with the politics of Aksum and the surrounding polities in the 3rd century CE, a good millennium before anything relevant here. The entire book ends with the fall of Aksum and the rise of the Arab states in the 8th century. It is a wonderful book which has no place in this article. It also does not contain that "Accuse Your Enemy" adage. This seems to be a misquote of Goebbels of all people [47] Goebbels at Nuremberg — 1934 (see the beginning of the second paragraph). I have no idea why it was added. Weirdly, searching for it has it misattributed to everyone from Hitler to Marx.
I do not have the expertise to do so, but I believe that this whole section should be rewritten.
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I've never had to do one of these before but a 2001:8f8 IP (technically multiple IPs but clearly the same person) added an unencyclopedic and dubiously true paragraph to the history section in October, multiple people have tried to remove it and in fact it's the reason this page is protected in the first place but despite this it's still been up for 6 months. Please just remove this section as well as the "and their country Oromia" thing (also added by 8f8). 8f8 creating the paragraph 2600:4041:402:BB00:D5C1:DABD:AF9F:8311 ( talk) 03:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Addis Ababa isn’t part of oromia and has never been the capital city of oromia. The capital city of Oromia has always been Adama(Nazret). Finfine is not the name of Addis Ababa, finfine is the name of filwoha (a place found in Addis Ababa). All those informations you wrote are misleading and false please correct them. Thank you 196.189.29.187 ( talk) 09:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne not Adama. What they jote down here is fake! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebo7069 ( talk • contribs) 20:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
The capital city of Oromia is not Addis Ababa it is in the constitution of the country why Wikipedia out of law. this can cause life to lose in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnananmoges ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Addis Ababa is a city of federal government not regional. Any one who think and support the above idea, he/she may lack of understanding thw rule and regulation of constitution and implementation of it. Please read and try to understand openly. 196.190.52.192 ( talk) 13:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Not for arguing with you but I just recommend you to refer Article 6 of Oromia Regional State constitution amended in 1994 E.C. It clearly states Adama as the capital city of Oromia Regional State.
And I suggest you to read thoroughly what article 49 of FDRE constitution says as you used this article as a reference. Does this article states Addis Ababa as the capital city of Oromia Regional State? 102.218.51.74 ( talk) 05:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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The article about Oromia is a very racist and divisive article intended to spread false and tiwisted information. It is aim is nothing more than to promote separatist propaganda and distroy Ethiopia as a nation. It is a very biased pro-Oromo antiAmhara article. bek —the preceding comment is by 64.229.248.187 - 01:39, 16 December 2004: Please sign your posts!
Well, by now the Article is certainly not biased anymore, as it indeed was before. Much interesting information about Oromo culture was lost however. It would be nice if somebody could add this information again while keeping out the clear bias. Chris —the preceding comment is by 134.146.0.6 - 21:10, 13 January 2005: Please sign your posts!
I have added information about the regional capital, Finfine (which now has its own article in Wikipedia). I know that the selection of Finfine as the capital was controversial, and I knew I could not mention Adama without also mentioning the controversy. I tried to keep NPOV. Gyrofrog 20:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
um hello, my name is rosyln and i'm actually an african studies major. i am quite fascinated with east africa particularly ethiopia. i was reading your page and it came to my attention that you spelled the name of your region with the english letters. am i mistaken? and if i'm not, how long has it been since the english language use? (it was my understanding that one of the beautiful things about your country is that it has its own dialect and so numerous unlike anywhere else in the world having sustained these alphabets for such a long time so it just so happen to have caught me off guard)
sincerely —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.59.165.44 ( talk • contribs) 01:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
oh ok, i think i understand. so, this particular group changed the traditional letters to the Latin alphabet in order to riot against other Ethiopians (or i guess a particular ethiopian group)?
The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne (Addis Ababa). The decision to move the city to Adama was against the constitution and purely a political decision. No one except the Oromo people has the right over thier land. The Amara elite fear the very name of Oromia and Oromo. Now the city in another political decision moved back to Finfinne. Those who deny themsels the truth die from its hunger.
Bontu Oromia —the preceding comment is by 172.162.147.208 - 23:02, 23 June 2005: Please sign your posts!
Comparing information on the Oromia Government website & from the Worldstatesmen webpage, I find that the names of the most recent Presidents differ:
Worldstatesmen | Oromia Government |
Juneidi Sad (commented out: or Junedin Sado) |
Obbo Juneydi Saddo |
Abadula Gemeda | Abbadula Gemmeda |
So which forms of these names should we follow in this article? -- llywrch 22:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
As Oromia constitution states, Addis Ababa is its capital city and Harari region is its administrative center for East Hararghe Zone. I think we need to add this when saying " Addis Ababa as an enclave surrounded by Shewa in its center and the Harari Region as an enclave surrounded by East Hararghe in its east." If there is no oppose, I would try to add next week. 196.189.89.245 ( talk) 11:52, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Oromia region. There's an interesting debate here about the shorter Oromia, but there didn't seem to be consensus either way. ErikHaugen ( talk | contribs) 06:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Oromia Region →
Oromia region – Sources don't cap region (see
news). Alternatively, if users prefer a proper-name title, then "Oromia Regional State" is a possibility; or "State of Oromia" as in the constitution.
Dicklyon (
talk)
15:42, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Source list
and soon on
The Supermind ( talk) 18:57, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Procedural close. An RM on this topic has only just concluded, with a consensus to move to the present title. If there is an issue with the close (which seems unlikely, as the consensus looks quite clear) then that should be discussed with the closer and possibly challenged at WP:MRV. But opening an immediate new RM is out of process. Cheers — Amakuru ( talk) 15:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Oromia region → Oromia Region – The subject talks about a particular region name in Ethiopia. Thus, the name must use capitalization in Region or should use parenthesis like Oromia (region). I am totally disagreed with the fixated Oromia region. The Supermind ( talk) 15:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 07:16, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Oromia region → Oromia – Already redirects here. This is the primary topic. The only other Oromia we have is the Oromia Zone and that can be dealt with in a hatnote. The only other Oromias are (a) the Oromo homeland and (b) Greater Oromia, both controversial topics and neither normally called Oromia. Srnec ( talk) 01:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
I made a number of changes to the history section, which was in a very bad shape, with lots of editorialising language, bad English, poorly formatted sources, and events placed haphazardly out of chronological sequence. Doubtlessly some of the Oromo firebrands editing this page wish to reinsert some of the more excitable POV language previously found in that paragraph. I invite you to not revert the changes in one swell foop, but to challenge them individually, as I have given careful edit summaries to each of the edits. I trust that on the whole you'll agree that these edits are an improvement to what was there before. Please challenge these edits based on Wikipedia policies, and not on your strong feelings which may dictate that something else ought to be standing there. This page is not served well if it reads like an OLF pamphlet. LandLing 19:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
MfactDr just introduced a statement plus source relating to an incident in 1985 into the section dealing with incidents before 1940. This is the kind of edits I was just cleaning up - placing undue minor grievances which add nothing to what's already there, and placing them out of chronological sequence into a history section. This is an encyclopedia page, and not an unstructured repository for any kind of incident one can find on the www to show that the Oromo are the most suppressed people in existence. I give the editor some time to remove this edit themselves, before I do so. LandLing 10:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
@ LandLing, You are deliberately causing another editor to become irritated or annoyed by calling “Oromo firebrands” editing this page and calling again reinsert some of the more excitable POV language without evidence. However, you no right to label, re-brand editor and attack editor. MfactDr ( talk) 08:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
LandLing, Why don’t you add inhabitant before Oromo in Finfinnee? As you claimed living Addis Ababa so want to deny Finfinnee not belong to Oromo? so want to degrade Oromo and conceal Amhara crime, right? you want to prevent disclosure information anything about Oromo by concealing and deleting part or whole the content. So, your aim is to reject carnages in the Oromia by the derg? This historical fact and atrocities in Oromia region is incontestable. MfactDr ( talk) 08:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
I am going to use all caps for this.....THE CAPITAL CITY FOR ORMIA REGION IS NOT ADDIS ABABA IT IS ADAMA. ADDIS ABEBA AKA SHEGER IS A CAPITAL CITY OF ETHIOPIA AND A HOME FOR AFRICAN UNION HEAD QUARTER.07:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC) 2601:601:A001:1F50:E9F2:5A9:19F8:87DB ( talk)
The Oromo and regional state of Oromia refers to it as "Finfinne". Therefore it is just to call it that first since this is the Oromia page. Leyncho ( talk) 02:22, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
If the name is dependent on sources, we will assert our claims whether Addis Ababa and Finfinne are parallel synonymous. In Quartz Africa it states "...the federal capital, which they call Finfinne, belongs to Oromia." That's claim of Oromo people. You have no right to remove my source and I will continue to find good type of source and courageously add them. The Supermind ( talk) 13:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
The article does not rely to secondary sources and the neutrality is apparently disputed. For instance [28] and [29]. The Supermind ( talk) 10:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@ MfactDr: please you're siding with Oromo viewpoint, not the article. Most of references made Oromian point of view. Look at [31]. This is definitely original primary site, not source, because there is no explicit information inside just there is address and telephone or fax number. Such source should be removed from Wikipedia because of trivial, not addressing Federal court confirming Addis Ababa as Finfinne. MfactDr you might be reluctantly insisted to discuss that doesn't expect from Wikipedians. If you're true Wikipedian, please inspect the article references cautiously. The Supermind ( talk) 12:58, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@ MfactDr: Hahaha! Are you saying this source is reliable? That site obviously created by yourself recently. Look at the margin interface. It says "we are created recently" by website spoofing. This is not governmental website because of poor incomplete html syntax– is self-evident for OR. Please don't show me primary sources that is only dependent on Oromo related subjects such as [32] and [33]. Add secondary sources like international outlets, BBC, Al Jazeeria, CNN, and university journals. You're constituently presenting Oromo-related sources such as the latter two links above, written entirely in Oromo language and I didn't understand even if when I use translation software. The Supermind ( talk) 06:38, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
@ MfactDr: Still you're not showing secondary sources of Federal government declaration Addis Ababa as Finfinne. This one is not reliable source, and irrelevant to our subject. It contains unrelated topic involving excessive address and the language can't be translated to English. The earlier site is obviously website spoofing, a content masquerading that is used for deception to official website. So, it is pretending like official website of Ethiopian government, which is strictly discouraged, or even removable from Wikipedia. Please note WP:NOTWEBHOST, even if you're supportive to this content creator. This one is primary source that is still dependent to Oromia–meaning the website is owned by Oromian. Please leave the Oromia related website and find international outlets that serve as reliable secondary sources as I mentioned above while avoiding sites that are completely written by Oromo experts and historians, rather find international English source outside the country. I'm doing with WP: DISCUSSCONSENSUS, not for pushing your idea. The Supermind ( talk) 14:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
In order to approach dispute resolution, I've tagged {{ review}} for scrutinize the biased article. The Supermind ( talk) 14:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
That site obviously created by yourself recently. Look at the margin interface. It says "we are created recently" by website spoofing.". That's an Internet Archive 2008 archive of a website. Now in 2021 it cannot be consider recent. And the likelihood MfactD created that website in 2008 seems incredibly low. Please take care with what you say as false accusations of that sort can be seen as a personal attack and in any case makes it very hard to have a reasonable discussion. Nil Einne ( talk) 22:31, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Nil Einne and MfactDr: I apologized for my neglect action for counting [37] (not [38]) as original source and I seriously offended MfactDr by claiming them "content creator". MfactDr does removed vital source [39], as well as Quartz Africa – that is wrong. Finally I acknowledged that there is an embassy sources (which MfactDr forget to present). Regarding WP:WikiProject Ethiopia, I will open discussion soon involving overseeing vandalism and systemic bias in Ethiopia related subjects and let's cooperate with it. Thanks! The Supermind ( talk) 15:00, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to add Sheger in both the lead and infobox section. I've provided three sources: [40] [41] and [42]. The Supermind ( talk) 15:50, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored
...as appropriate. Forcing your way through without consensus is not appropriate. – Austronesier ( talk) 07:35, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@ MfactDr: I told you in the talk page that I have the right to add source and the request permit me to manually add Sheger. Please don't make trouble with me I've no time to argue such silly things. As you do to warn removing source, I do warn you so. The Supermind ( talk) 06:45, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
this page must be edited in accordance with Oromia government. Neither do I say that
Finfinne is official name. As in the previous discussion, I have to repeat myself to avoid further misreadings: there is no single truth here, and different factions prefer different official names. "Addis Ababa" is the WP:COMMONNAME in English-language sources, and also the official name as used by the central government. "Finfinne" is the Oromo name for the same thing and used as an official by state government of Oromia. As such, it has appeared in English-language publications, including the Quartz article which you yourself have brought up and which literally says in the caption of the top image "Addis Ababa aka Finfinne". I argue that "finfinne" is significant and relevant, and thus due for mention in the lede and infobox, especially in the context of this article. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:20, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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Just because this article consistently uses non-US date formats says nothing about the flavour of English spelling it should consistently use.
However, this article was started on 4 March 2004 and the first substantial edit that introduced a varietal English spelling on 12 December 2004 used the non-US English flavour of labour in the sentence "Those who remained on the land were reduced to the status of gabbar (a peasant from whom labour and produce is exacted and is a crude form of serfdom)." (In US English, the spelling is usually "labor", without a "u". In all other main varieties of English, it's "labour". Because the 57,044 bytes added by the IP editor were wrongfully suspected of being a copyright violation, their version was immediately reverted.)
Since this article is not on a topic that has
strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation,
(the
Commonwealth military occupation
after they booted out the Italians was very ephemeral)
we should now
consistently use the variety found in the first post-
stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety.
Consequently, I shall now place the appropriate Varieties of English template on this page. -- Bushel C andle 08:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Ethnic group | 1994 Census | 2007 Census |
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Oromo | 91% | 92% |
Amhara | 3.9% | 4.1% |
other ethnic groups | -% | 5% |
I've just spent a very tedious and unfruitful few hours wading through the 1660 pages (plus foreword) of the pdf file "Population and Housing Census 1994 – Oromiay Region" that I downloaded from https://www.statsethiopia.gov.et/census-1994/.
Pages 184 to 217 provide individual breakdowns for each wereda of the "Five major ethnic groups and" (other) "ethnic groups with population size of 500 and over of weredas" but nowhere in that report do I find ethnic breakdowns totalled for the region as a whole.
Now, of course, I could spend a few happy days totalling up the individual figures and doing the calculations but I remain extremely dubious about whether the table currently in our article (and exhibited above in its current state as at the timestamp on this comment) is a complete work of fiction, or "original research" - especially as it is currently both unsourced and subject to incessant edit-warring. What do other editors think? -- Bushel C andle 06:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
The data about the religious composition of the population is even more absurd (taken from the current version):
Religion (entire region) | 1994 Census | 2007 Census [1] |
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Muslim | 47.3% | 47.6% |
Orthodox Christians | 37% | 38.4% |
Protestant Christians | 8.6% | 9.7% |
Waaqeffanna | 4.2% | 3.3% |
other religious groups | 1.6% | 1% |
Religion (urban areas) | 1994 Census | 2019 Census [1] |
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Orthodox Christians | 68.3% | 31.7% |
Muslim | 49.2% | 38.8% |
Protestant Christians | 15.6% | 9.7% |
other religious groups | – | 1.5% |
The "urban areas"-data from the 1994 census sums up to 133,1%. I will fix this, too. – Austronesier ( talk) 09:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: Not moved per unanimous consensus, identified as primary topic. No such user ( talk) 12:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
Oromia → Oromia Region – Courtesy move request. Not identifying what it is, see Oromia Zone and Oromia Special Zone Surrounding Finfinne. Unless you give an exclusive naming for the region as Oromia, most readers ambiguated with all things surrounding Oromo zones and regions. The Supermind ( talk) 09:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Was this piece written by the OLF? 102.52.52.14 ( talk) 17:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
At the moment the article is disgusting. In the Ethiosemitic article there are plenty of proof that the Ethiosemitics crossed the Red Sea 3000 years ago, not 1000 years ago.
> as there is still no correct estimate of the history of their settlement in the region. An evidence is given that they are the womb from which most of the eastern Cushitic peoples emerged...
What evidence is given? What does this even mean? This is very poetic language and I think it is unsuitable. There is evidence that the Somalis are an eastern Cushitic people, but I have found absolutely no evidence that the eastern Cushitic peoples are break-away groups from the Oromo.
The source on the Arabian and Jewish settlement of Ethiopia is an Amazon link. Not cool.
> Ethiopians often refer to aboriginal people of Central and Southern Ethiopia as immigrants as they say "Accuse Your Enemy Of What You Are Doing, As You Are Doing It To Create Confusion"
This is very strange. Is this happening in the modern day, 800 years after the arrival? I was so confused that I actually got a copy of this book "Aksum : an African civilisation of late antiquity" from the central library in my city and the source is blatantly false. Page 73 of the book deals with the politics of Aksum and the surrounding polities in the 3rd century CE, a good millennium before anything relevant here. The entire book ends with the fall of Aksum and the rise of the Arab states in the 8th century. It is a wonderful book which has no place in this article. It also does not contain that "Accuse Your Enemy" adage. This seems to be a misquote of Goebbels of all people [47] Goebbels at Nuremberg — 1934 (see the beginning of the second paragraph). I have no idea why it was added. Weirdly, searching for it has it misattributed to everyone from Hitler to Marx.
I do not have the expertise to do so, but I believe that this whole section should be rewritten.
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I've never had to do one of these before but a 2001:8f8 IP (technically multiple IPs but clearly the same person) added an unencyclopedic and dubiously true paragraph to the history section in October, multiple people have tried to remove it and in fact it's the reason this page is protected in the first place but despite this it's still been up for 6 months. Please just remove this section as well as the "and their country Oromia" thing (also added by 8f8). 8f8 creating the paragraph 2600:4041:402:BB00:D5C1:DABD:AF9F:8311 ( talk) 03:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Addis Ababa isn’t part of oromia and has never been the capital city of oromia. The capital city of Oromia has always been Adama(Nazret). Finfine is not the name of Addis Ababa, finfine is the name of filwoha (a place found in Addis Ababa). All those informations you wrote are misleading and false please correct them. Thank you 196.189.29.187 ( talk) 09:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
The capital city of Oromia is Finfinne not Adama. What they jote down here is fake! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebo7069 ( talk • contribs) 20:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
The capital city of Oromia is not Addis Ababa it is in the constitution of the country why Wikipedia out of law. this can cause life to lose in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonnananmoges ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Addis Ababa is a city of federal government not regional. Any one who think and support the above idea, he/she may lack of understanding thw rule and regulation of constitution and implementation of it. Please read and try to understand openly. 196.190.52.192 ( talk) 13:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Not for arguing with you but I just recommend you to refer Article 6 of Oromia Regional State constitution amended in 1994 E.C. It clearly states Adama as the capital city of Oromia Regional State.
And I suggest you to read thoroughly what article 49 of FDRE constitution says as you used this article as a reference. Does this article states Addis Ababa as the capital city of Oromia Regional State? 102.218.51.74 ( talk) 05:29, 16 May 2024 (UTC)