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Is not how an article is developed! That is an indiscriminate collection and mix of links - and should be kept on this page as a to do - not in main space! Satu Suro 03:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Donald Mackay anti-drugs campaigner in
Griffith, New South Wales
'Ndrangheta
Royal Commission into Drug Trafficking aka Woodward Royal Commission
Robert Trimbole
National Crime Authority
Al Grassby MP
Bob Bottom Crime Reporter,
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/bob.bottom.htm
John Hatton MLA NSW,
http://www.parlpapers.sl.nsw.gov.au/display.cfm?parl_id=7600
Perc Galea
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thetrack/ep5trans.htm
Robert Askin
Crime in Sydney
Crime in Melbourne
Royal Commission into the New South Wales Police Service (Wood Royal Commission)
http://www.aic.gov.au/policing/wood.html
http://www.pic.nsw.gov.au/RoyalCommission.aspx?Culture=en-AU
Frederick Hanson
Fred Krahe
Roger Rogerson
David Hickie journalist
Frank Nugan
Abe Saffron
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/honoured.society.htm
At least half of these need to be put anywhere but the see also section - they need to be included in the article space as refs or content?
Each item needs to be addressed in this grab bag - and there is a need for clear cut identification of how it relates to this article otherwise it does not stay.. cheers Satu Suro 03:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
This "article" has some severe inconsistencies. It talks about the Australian mafia being an offshoot of the Sicilian mafia, but most of the names of the crime figures above and in the links to the article are anglo-celtic names. The 'ndragheta is also offered as an example - but they're Calabrian! It says the Australian mafia is rural like the Sicilian version, but the birthplace and stronghold of the Sicilian mafia is Palermo, the 5th largest city in Italy (and it was the 2nd largest city in Italy in the late 19th century). In any event, crime statistics in Australia show higher crime figures in the city than in country areas. In short, this article reads like absolute bull shit and populist imaginings (fed by recent TV shows) and is not worthy of being an article in a serious encyclopaedia. Aren't we really talking about some piss-ant crime groups with very little to distinguish them from the general Australian criminal population. If so - where does the term: "Australian Mafia" come from? And how on earth is it an offshoot from the Sicilian mafia? πιππίνυ δ - (dica) 23:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Check these out:
I am going to redo the previous article, as it has been proven to be true. Jonaspv 02:52, 23 July 2008
This is not about general organized crime, that is a different topic. This is about a very specific criminal group. What you are doing is incorrect. It is the same thing as not allowing a New York Yankees article to exist because there is a baseball article that encompasses it. And why did you delete my references and edits? It was all correct verifiable. Don't do that. If you want an article about Australian Organized crime, create one, because this one deals with a different subject. I am redoing it until you present a valid reason to erase it. Jonaspv ( talk) 02:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Combine that with the other sources and you got solid references. Search Gomorrah and Gangsters Encyclopedia, and you can verify the information on this page. Jonaspv ( talk) 02:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
To finish, I would never denegrade anyone over their "woggy" surname, as I would be denegrading myself and my family as well. My surname is "Pulido" and "Valente", both very "greaseball" surnames. Now go figure. Jonaspv ( talk) 03:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
If any of the material from this page is salvageable, it should be placed in an article of wider scope, such as Organised crime in Australia, which could mention this "Australian Mafia", but focus on the more verifiable elements, such as the Melbourne gangland killings. Balkan Fever 03:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
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I will try and get working on this article after I finish with my other important project. This article needs serious improvement. User:Zapacit 04:44, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I can't see how most of the "youth gangs" stuff belongs here.
Actual organised crime outfits have always been virtually exclusive of juveniles. (At most they employ kids as foot soldiers.)
This was especially so in the 1940s–1970s; bodgies/widgies, sharpies etc were primarily subcultures, like their overseas counterparts. Their membership and "adult gangs" were mutually exclusive. A lot of their members dabbled in petty crime, but they were, almost by definition, not organised – and not running weed plantations, cooking speed/meth or importing heroin.
Grant | Talk 11:03, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
It is poorly written, filled with grammatical issues and does not include citations (except in its off topic last paragraph). Even if it is a topic worth including, I expect it would have to be rewritten from the ground up. FropFrop ( talk) 09:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
The African gangs section, even if all sources are taken at face value, doesn't make a case that these activities were related to organised crime consistent with the 'refers to the activities of various groups of crime families, organised crime syndicates or underworld activities including drug trafficking, contract killing, racketeering and other crimes in Australia' definition provided. I would like to suggest it be removed.
The Activities section appears to be primarily a list of of crimes that may be associated with organised crime. This doesn't feel like an appropriate thing to include (especially without any context) in an Australian organised crime article. I would propose deleting the section BUT including the few relevant links in their appropriate sections. - Sporesalad ( talk) 02:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Is not how an article is developed! That is an indiscriminate collection and mix of links - and should be kept on this page as a to do - not in main space! Satu Suro 03:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Donald Mackay anti-drugs campaigner in
Griffith, New South Wales
'Ndrangheta
Royal Commission into Drug Trafficking aka Woodward Royal Commission
Robert Trimbole
National Crime Authority
Al Grassby MP
Bob Bottom Crime Reporter,
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/bob.bottom.htm
John Hatton MLA NSW,
http://www.parlpapers.sl.nsw.gov.au/display.cfm?parl_id=7600
Perc Galea
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thetrack/ep5trans.htm
Robert Askin
Crime in Sydney
Crime in Melbourne
Royal Commission into the New South Wales Police Service (Wood Royal Commission)
http://www.aic.gov.au/policing/wood.html
http://www.pic.nsw.gov.au/RoyalCommission.aspx?Culture=en-AU
Frederick Hanson
Fred Krahe
Roger Rogerson
David Hickie journalist
Frank Nugan
Abe Saffron
http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/honoured.society.htm
At least half of these need to be put anywhere but the see also section - they need to be included in the article space as refs or content?
Each item needs to be addressed in this grab bag - and there is a need for clear cut identification of how it relates to this article otherwise it does not stay.. cheers Satu Suro 03:28, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
This "article" has some severe inconsistencies. It talks about the Australian mafia being an offshoot of the Sicilian mafia, but most of the names of the crime figures above and in the links to the article are anglo-celtic names. The 'ndragheta is also offered as an example - but they're Calabrian! It says the Australian mafia is rural like the Sicilian version, but the birthplace and stronghold of the Sicilian mafia is Palermo, the 5th largest city in Italy (and it was the 2nd largest city in Italy in the late 19th century). In any event, crime statistics in Australia show higher crime figures in the city than in country areas. In short, this article reads like absolute bull shit and populist imaginings (fed by recent TV shows) and is not worthy of being an article in a serious encyclopaedia. Aren't we really talking about some piss-ant crime groups with very little to distinguish them from the general Australian criminal population. If so - where does the term: "Australian Mafia" come from? And how on earth is it an offshoot from the Sicilian mafia? πιππίνυ δ - (dica) 23:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Check these out:
I am going to redo the previous article, as it has been proven to be true. Jonaspv 02:52, 23 July 2008
This is not about general organized crime, that is a different topic. This is about a very specific criminal group. What you are doing is incorrect. It is the same thing as not allowing a New York Yankees article to exist because there is a baseball article that encompasses it. And why did you delete my references and edits? It was all correct verifiable. Don't do that. If you want an article about Australian Organized crime, create one, because this one deals with a different subject. I am redoing it until you present a valid reason to erase it. Jonaspv ( talk) 02:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Combine that with the other sources and you got solid references. Search Gomorrah and Gangsters Encyclopedia, and you can verify the information on this page. Jonaspv ( talk) 02:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
To finish, I would never denegrade anyone over their "woggy" surname, as I would be denegrading myself and my family as well. My surname is "Pulido" and "Valente", both very "greaseball" surnames. Now go figure. Jonaspv ( talk) 03:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
If any of the material from this page is salvageable, it should be placed in an article of wider scope, such as Organised crime in Australia, which could mention this "Australian Mafia", but focus on the more verifiable elements, such as the Melbourne gangland killings. Balkan Fever 03:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
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I will try and get working on this article after I finish with my other important project. This article needs serious improvement. User:Zapacit 04:44, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
I can't see how most of the "youth gangs" stuff belongs here.
Actual organised crime outfits have always been virtually exclusive of juveniles. (At most they employ kids as foot soldiers.)
This was especially so in the 1940s–1970s; bodgies/widgies, sharpies etc were primarily subcultures, like their overseas counterparts. Their membership and "adult gangs" were mutually exclusive. A lot of their members dabbled in petty crime, but they were, almost by definition, not organised – and not running weed plantations, cooking speed/meth or importing heroin.
Grant | Talk 11:03, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
It is poorly written, filled with grammatical issues and does not include citations (except in its off topic last paragraph). Even if it is a topic worth including, I expect it would have to be rewritten from the ground up. FropFrop ( talk) 09:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
The African gangs section, even if all sources are taken at face value, doesn't make a case that these activities were related to organised crime consistent with the 'refers to the activities of various groups of crime families, organised crime syndicates or underworld activities including drug trafficking, contract killing, racketeering and other crimes in Australia' definition provided. I would like to suggest it be removed.
The Activities section appears to be primarily a list of of crimes that may be associated with organised crime. This doesn't feel like an appropriate thing to include (especially without any context) in an Australian organised crime article. I would propose deleting the section BUT including the few relevant links in their appropriate sections. - Sporesalad ( talk) 02:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)