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If I rememeber correctly, Fox-Davies (whom I unfortunately don't have in town with me) says a Knight of the Thistle may encircle his arms either with the collar of the order, or the "circlet" of the order, or both (the latter outside the former), or both (the latter superimposed on the latter). By "circlet" here's what he meens: a green cloth circle with the motto of the order written on it -- much like the garter, only without the buckle. Perhaps it's the superimposing of these two which has led to the depiction of the collar in its proper colors? (That is to say, a line drawing of the collar superimposed on a green circle led to a green collar.) Doops 20:43, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Can, in theory, a person be invested as a Knight of the Thistle if s/he is 1) a Catholic or 2) a foreign non-Christian monarch (like the Emperor of Japan, who was admitted to the Order of the Garter in 1998)? Mapple 21:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
This article says that knights must be "scottish-born" which implies born in scotland. This is not the case, for example, of Robert Menzies who was born an lived in Australia. Should this be "of scotish decent" rather than scotish born ? Dowew 19:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is rather dubious, since it suggests that James VII was effectively reviving an ancient order. I suspect this could be an example of "the invention of tradition". Maybe there is some shadowy evidence for a Scottish order of chivalry in the 15th century, but I doubt if we can say more than that. PatGallacher ( talk) 00:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Having had a look at this article, I would say that the article gives undue weight to the idea that the order has a clear history prior to James VII. PatGallacher ( talk) 11:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Well all the statements are backed by references, and it certainly doesn't state that there was conclusively an order before James VII. I certainly cannot see why you have slapped a NPOV tag on, without any sort of discussion, or quoting references to back up your point. Quantpole ( talk) 11:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
My reference is the article in the Scottish Historical Review referred to above. PatGallacher ( talk) 11:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I am also suspicious that those parts of the article which deal with the alleged early history of the order rely heavily on one work written in 1842 (!) by Nicholas. This is unworthy of a serious reference work. PatGallacher ( talk) 11:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I read Lord Patel was introduced in 2009. But I spoke with him in the evening of 14. July 2010. The introduction ceremony for him (and Lord Hope ...) by the Queen was at 11 o'clock of 15. July 2010 at St.Giles. I take a photo of Lord Patels emblem at St. Giles - 2009 on it. Why this difference? Please excuse my awful English (german) and the minor knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.124.254.171 ( talk) 08:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
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How do we account for the reference to the Knights of the Thistle in the Lexicon Tetraglotten dated 1660 ?
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Perhaps this is the original order ?
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Is it correct to list Prince Charles as ‘Duke of Rothesay and Edinburgh’? These are still separate titles, and Duke of Rothesay is still the one used in Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:D183:5801:840A:BDB9:6D3C:C484 ( talk) 21:05, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
in this Committee on Public Administration publication (2004), it mentions that setting up an 'order of the leek' (Wales) would be a 'good idea', although I cannot find additional information of such matter, I thought it was worth adding here. Hogyncymru ( talk) 21:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
The article about the Royal arms of Scotland quotes a blazoning from 1672 where the arms is "[e]ncircled with the order of Scotland the same being composed of Rue and thistles having the Image of St. Andrew with his crosse on his brest y unto pendent". It later states that the collar of the order was part of the achievement even before Charles II added its motto. Does anybody know how long this heraldic depiction goes back? Is it plausible that an order was part of a heraldic achievement without actually being confered on anybody? Oudeís talk 14:05, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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If I rememeber correctly, Fox-Davies (whom I unfortunately don't have in town with me) says a Knight of the Thistle may encircle his arms either with the collar of the order, or the "circlet" of the order, or both (the latter outside the former), or both (the latter superimposed on the latter). By "circlet" here's what he meens: a green cloth circle with the motto of the order written on it -- much like the garter, only without the buckle. Perhaps it's the superimposing of these two which has led to the depiction of the collar in its proper colors? (That is to say, a line drawing of the collar superimposed on a green circle led to a green collar.) Doops 20:43, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Can, in theory, a person be invested as a Knight of the Thistle if s/he is 1) a Catholic or 2) a foreign non-Christian monarch (like the Emperor of Japan, who was admitted to the Order of the Garter in 1998)? Mapple 21:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
This article says that knights must be "scottish-born" which implies born in scotland. This is not the case, for example, of Robert Menzies who was born an lived in Australia. Should this be "of scotish decent" rather than scotish born ? Dowew 19:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
This article is rather dubious, since it suggests that James VII was effectively reviving an ancient order. I suspect this could be an example of "the invention of tradition". Maybe there is some shadowy evidence for a Scottish order of chivalry in the 15th century, but I doubt if we can say more than that. PatGallacher ( talk) 00:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Having had a look at this article, I would say that the article gives undue weight to the idea that the order has a clear history prior to James VII. PatGallacher ( talk) 11:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Well all the statements are backed by references, and it certainly doesn't state that there was conclusively an order before James VII. I certainly cannot see why you have slapped a NPOV tag on, without any sort of discussion, or quoting references to back up your point. Quantpole ( talk) 11:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
My reference is the article in the Scottish Historical Review referred to above. PatGallacher ( talk) 11:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I am also suspicious that those parts of the article which deal with the alleged early history of the order rely heavily on one work written in 1842 (!) by Nicholas. This is unworthy of a serious reference work. PatGallacher ( talk) 11:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
I read Lord Patel was introduced in 2009. But I spoke with him in the evening of 14. July 2010. The introduction ceremony for him (and Lord Hope ...) by the Queen was at 11 o'clock of 15. July 2010 at St.Giles. I take a photo of Lord Patels emblem at St. Giles - 2009 on it. Why this difference? Please excuse my awful English (german) and the minor knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.124.254.171 ( talk) 08:36, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
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How do we account for the reference to the Knights of the Thistle in the Lexicon Tetraglotten dated 1660 ?
In the Lexicon Tetraglotten, the Knights of the Thistle are the Knights de Cardone of the House of Bourbon.
Perhaps this is the original order ?
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Is it correct to list Prince Charles as ‘Duke of Rothesay and Edinburgh’? These are still separate titles, and Duke of Rothesay is still the one used in Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:D183:5801:840A:BDB9:6D3C:C484 ( talk) 21:05, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
in this Committee on Public Administration publication (2004), it mentions that setting up an 'order of the leek' (Wales) would be a 'good idea', although I cannot find additional information of such matter, I thought it was worth adding here. Hogyncymru ( talk) 21:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
The article about the Royal arms of Scotland quotes a blazoning from 1672 where the arms is "[e]ncircled with the order of Scotland the same being composed of Rue and thistles having the Image of St. Andrew with his crosse on his brest y unto pendent". It later states that the collar of the order was part of the achievement even before Charles II added its motto. Does anybody know how long this heraldic depiction goes back? Is it plausible that an order was part of a heraldic achievement without actually being confered on anybody? Oudeís talk 14:05, 16 June 2023 (UTC)