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I've noticed that many consecutive polls from Peil.nl have identical numbers for all 13 parties that are currently in Parliament. For example 13 and 20 May 2018, 29 Apr and 6 May and 15 Apr and 22 Apr 2018. The probability of getting identical numbers for all 13 parties in two polls would be practically zero. Even if there had been no changes in support over the week, sampling errors would lead to slightly different results in a new poll. I'm therefore suggesting that many of Peil's polls are thus "recycled" for a second week. They should be removed from the table and graph, unless there is evidence and sources that in fact Peil did on many occasions take two fresh polls and get exactly the same results. AV85647 ( talk) 23:06, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
The page is a bit confusing as it is. PVV is of a lighter shade than VVD on the graphic, but it's the darkest one of the pair in the column. Quite misleading on a quick read. Which one is right?-- Aréat ( talk) 11:35, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Tijskeuk's edit was clever. The list is long enough to be adorned with a recall line at the top. Up until now, and perhaps 2022, the party seats will be those gained in March 2017. The one who wants to get a glimpse of the state of Dutch party politics today only needs these two lines: last week and last election. Rather than going by the 100, and soon 200-line-long list. Kahlores ( talk) 01:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
So we should add one line for every week now, even if there hasn't been any release?
With all due respects, you misinterpreted the pdf. The polling report doesn't state that four polls have been taken. It says "there have been no shifts in political preferences during the past four weeks". Perhaps they've accumulated data throughout these weeks, but we cannot speculate, as they never release such details. And even if they said they did, it wouldn't be a reason to create four lines. This is a list of published opinion polls.
You suggest to look at the graph. First of all, the graphs are not the results. Merely a representation of them.
So I looked at the graph's source code. There's a javascript tag containing weekly data. Indeed, each week is filled, even those without a release. However, does that mean that they've got a secret average for every week?
Let's compare with last summer, where there was a long break. The last poll released in July was 8 July. The first poll in August was 19 August. So there were five Sundays without a poll release. Yet the graph does have data for these dates. So by the same token as yours, we should add these weeks. Here's how it looks in the code:
' 8-7', 12, 10, 11, 30, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'15-7', 12, 10, 11, 30, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'22-7', 12, 10, 11, 30, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'29-7', 12, 11, 11, 29, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
' 5-8', 12, 11, 11, 29, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'12-8', 12, 11, 12, 29, 15, 16, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'19-8', 12, 11, 12, 29, 15, 16, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
The only difference after the summer break were VVD (30 to 29), GL (17 to 16), SP (11 to 12) and PvdA (10 to 11). According to these lines, VVD and PvdA swap one seat on 29-7, and GL and SP one seat on 12-8. We cannot speculate on what basis these dates stand for. Maybe their computer took the results from 8-7 and 19-8 and decided to swap seats in the middle and at the end of the break (we'd need a first swap at the start, but there were just two). Maybe these are actual unreleased results from Peil.nl. But if it were so, then we cannot list them. These are not newsworthy pieces of information. These are crumbs for opinion polling maniacs. I wouldn't mind if you were using them for the .png graph. But keep in mind that the data may be biased, for instance by a lack of a significant number of people surveyed.
Kahlores ( talk) 20:12, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
P.S.: While checking to see what happened in Summer 2017, I noticed a mistake in the code for 30 July 2017:
'30-07', 16, 11, 11, 33, 21, 13, 5, 20, 3, 5, 3, 6, 3, 0],
50PLUS has one seat less (3 instead of 4), VVD has one seat more (33 instead of 32) than shown in the pdf. If there are such discrepancies, how credible is the graph?
does anyone know why?
Is it maybe a good idea to add the Peilingwijzer ( https://peilingwijzer.tomlouwerse.nl/) in a separate table every time it is published? Thomasfowl ( talk) 14:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
The user who made the graphic, Mélencron, is no longer active on Wikipedia. Is there others users here who know how to make a new one? It's badly in need of an update.-- Aréat ( talk) 17:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
They have no any seats now. Shadow4dark ( talk) 00:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
This section is badly outdated. It would be a lot of work to update it and, quite frankly, also pointless since we have seat projections which are more relevant. The page for the opinion polls of the 2017 election also doesn't include vote share (see here: /info/en/?search=Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_Dutch_general_election) -- Spaastm ( talk) 01:10, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
They should be moved to main page not here. Shadow4dark ( talk) 01:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
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I've noticed that many consecutive polls from Peil.nl have identical numbers for all 13 parties that are currently in Parliament. For example 13 and 20 May 2018, 29 Apr and 6 May and 15 Apr and 22 Apr 2018. The probability of getting identical numbers for all 13 parties in two polls would be practically zero. Even if there had been no changes in support over the week, sampling errors would lead to slightly different results in a new poll. I'm therefore suggesting that many of Peil's polls are thus "recycled" for a second week. They should be removed from the table and graph, unless there is evidence and sources that in fact Peil did on many occasions take two fresh polls and get exactly the same results. AV85647 ( talk) 23:06, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
The page is a bit confusing as it is. PVV is of a lighter shade than VVD on the graphic, but it's the darkest one of the pair in the column. Quite misleading on a quick read. Which one is right?-- Aréat ( talk) 11:35, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Tijskeuk's edit was clever. The list is long enough to be adorned with a recall line at the top. Up until now, and perhaps 2022, the party seats will be those gained in March 2017. The one who wants to get a glimpse of the state of Dutch party politics today only needs these two lines: last week and last election. Rather than going by the 100, and soon 200-line-long list. Kahlores ( talk) 01:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
So we should add one line for every week now, even if there hasn't been any release?
With all due respects, you misinterpreted the pdf. The polling report doesn't state that four polls have been taken. It says "there have been no shifts in political preferences during the past four weeks". Perhaps they've accumulated data throughout these weeks, but we cannot speculate, as they never release such details. And even if they said they did, it wouldn't be a reason to create four lines. This is a list of published opinion polls.
You suggest to look at the graph. First of all, the graphs are not the results. Merely a representation of them.
So I looked at the graph's source code. There's a javascript tag containing weekly data. Indeed, each week is filled, even those without a release. However, does that mean that they've got a secret average for every week?
Let's compare with last summer, where there was a long break. The last poll released in July was 8 July. The first poll in August was 19 August. So there were five Sundays without a poll release. Yet the graph does have data for these dates. So by the same token as yours, we should add these weeks. Here's how it looks in the code:
' 8-7', 12, 10, 11, 30, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'15-7', 12, 10, 11, 30, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'22-7', 12, 10, 11, 30, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'29-7', 12, 11, 11, 29, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
' 5-8', 12, 11, 11, 29, 15, 17, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'12-8', 12, 11, 12, 29, 15, 16, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
'19-8', 12, 11, 12, 29, 15, 16, 6, 13, 3, 7, 5, 15, 6, 0],
The only difference after the summer break were VVD (30 to 29), GL (17 to 16), SP (11 to 12) and PvdA (10 to 11). According to these lines, VVD and PvdA swap one seat on 29-7, and GL and SP one seat on 12-8. We cannot speculate on what basis these dates stand for. Maybe their computer took the results from 8-7 and 19-8 and decided to swap seats in the middle and at the end of the break (we'd need a first swap at the start, but there were just two). Maybe these are actual unreleased results from Peil.nl. But if it were so, then we cannot list them. These are not newsworthy pieces of information. These are crumbs for opinion polling maniacs. I wouldn't mind if you were using them for the .png graph. But keep in mind that the data may be biased, for instance by a lack of a significant number of people surveyed.
Kahlores ( talk) 20:12, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
P.S.: While checking to see what happened in Summer 2017, I noticed a mistake in the code for 30 July 2017:
'30-07', 16, 11, 11, 33, 21, 13, 5, 20, 3, 5, 3, 6, 3, 0],
50PLUS has one seat less (3 instead of 4), VVD has one seat more (33 instead of 32) than shown in the pdf. If there are such discrepancies, how credible is the graph?
does anyone know why?
Is it maybe a good idea to add the Peilingwijzer ( https://peilingwijzer.tomlouwerse.nl/) in a separate table every time it is published? Thomasfowl ( talk) 14:42, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
The user who made the graphic, Mélencron, is no longer active on Wikipedia. Is there others users here who know how to make a new one? It's badly in need of an update.-- Aréat ( talk) 17:03, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
They have no any seats now. Shadow4dark ( talk) 00:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
This section is badly outdated. It would be a lot of work to update it and, quite frankly, also pointless since we have seat projections which are more relevant. The page for the opinion polls of the 2017 election also doesn't include vote share (see here: /info/en/?search=Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_Dutch_general_election) -- Spaastm ( talk) 01:10, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
They should be moved to main page not here. Shadow4dark ( talk) 01:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)