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It now appears to be a twin operation. Yug (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Why has it been removed? Jim Michael ( talk) 07:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
On 17th June, a roadside IED explosion killed 4 civilian workers in Turkey's Sirnak Province. [1] Turkish Government said PKK was responsible for it, and further claimed it to be a response to this operation. [2] Should this be included in the article? Please comment using "Include" or "Not include". DarthMaul15 ( talk) 18:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Pinging users involved with the article. @ Paradise Chronicle, Maistara, Mavi Gözlü Kel, Konli17, 0blcsp, Nice4What, Shadow4dark, Catlemur, أمين بن أحمد, Leviavery, Jim Michael, Thepharoah17, RopeTricks, Cengizsogutlu, Yug, and Necati Omar: DarthMaul15 ( talk) 18:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
References
The basis of these sources are horrible almost none of them are written from a NPOV and are the absolute definition of horrible propaganda, and they stink of such Turkish Propaganda that it is impossible not to see. Almost none of these sources can be used for Wikipedia! The sources used are almost all written by Pro-Turkish Government organizations or directly run by the Turkish Government, this is utterly unacceptable.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-launches-operation-claw-eagle/1877001 Literally the first line: Turkey has launched Operation Claw-Eagle against *terrorists* in northern Iraq, the *Defense Ministry* (They=Turkey) announced early Monday. Propaganda masquerading itself as a "Source" in plain sight for all to see. This source is by Anadolu Agency a news organization that is run and completely funded by the *Turkish Government*, whatever the Turkish government says to Anadolu Agency they will do. This absolutely fails as a verifiable source.
https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/war-on-terror/turkey-launches-operation-claw-eagle-against-pkk-terrorists-in-northern-iraq Literally the title: Turkey launches Operation Claw-Eagle against PKK *terrorists* in northern Iraq "Daily Sabah (lit. "Daily Morning") is a Turkish pro-government daily,[2][3][4][5] published in Turkey." This utterly fails as a verifiable source. https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkey-destroys-81-pkk-targets-during-operation-claw-eagle-in-northern-iraq-37280
https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkey-destroys-81-pkk-targets-during-operation-claw-eagle-in-northern-iraq-37280 A Section: The counter-terrorism operation allows Turkey to defend its borders and people by destroying PKK hideouts and supply lines in the mountainous region. Turkish World is run and funded entirely by the Turkish State don't need to say anymore.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-iraq-idUSKBN23L0UV Only source in the first line which is both verifiable and NPOV.
https://aktifhaber.com/gundem/msb-duyurdu-mahmur-kampi-cevresi-ve-sengale-hava-saldirisi-h146415.html Source which is of NPOV.
There is more but this so to simply state that fundamentally the article is a mess. Wikipedia must be a place of Neutrality of Point of view and allowing blatant propaganda to be used as a "source" is horrid and simply exists to misinform readers. Vallee01 ( talk) 07:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
What about pro PKK sources?? You keep all pro pkk sources but delete only pro turkish?? Shadow4dark ( talk) 09:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
How did PKK kill 300 a whole regiment Turkish soldiers can you explain it please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cengizsogutlu ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 12 September 2020 (UTC) Cengizsogutlu ( talk) 19:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
No matter how many people try and use Suriyakmaps on Twitter, they are not a reliable reference under any circumstances. See
WP:SPS, random people on Twitter can claim whatever they like but it's not going in this article.
This website does not appear to have any reputation for fact checking and accuracy, so not a reliable reference. Same for
this website, and neither reference Turkish Armed Forces capture 222 square kilometres (86 sq mi) of territory
anyway.
Google Maps link has a disclaimer right at the top saying "This map was created by a user", not a reliable reference.
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talk) 23:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
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It now appears to be a twin operation. Yug (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Why has it been removed? Jim Michael ( talk) 07:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
On 17th June, a roadside IED explosion killed 4 civilian workers in Turkey's Sirnak Province. [1] Turkish Government said PKK was responsible for it, and further claimed it to be a response to this operation. [2] Should this be included in the article? Please comment using "Include" or "Not include". DarthMaul15 ( talk) 18:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Pinging users involved with the article. @ Paradise Chronicle, Maistara, Mavi Gözlü Kel, Konli17, 0blcsp, Nice4What, Shadow4dark, Catlemur, أمين بن أحمد, Leviavery, Jim Michael, Thepharoah17, RopeTricks, Cengizsogutlu, Yug, and Necati Omar: DarthMaul15 ( talk) 18:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
References
The basis of these sources are horrible almost none of them are written from a NPOV and are the absolute definition of horrible propaganda, and they stink of such Turkish Propaganda that it is impossible not to see. Almost none of these sources can be used for Wikipedia! The sources used are almost all written by Pro-Turkish Government organizations or directly run by the Turkish Government, this is utterly unacceptable.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-launches-operation-claw-eagle/1877001 Literally the first line: Turkey has launched Operation Claw-Eagle against *terrorists* in northern Iraq, the *Defense Ministry* (They=Turkey) announced early Monday. Propaganda masquerading itself as a "Source" in plain sight for all to see. This source is by Anadolu Agency a news organization that is run and completely funded by the *Turkish Government*, whatever the Turkish government says to Anadolu Agency they will do. This absolutely fails as a verifiable source.
https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/war-on-terror/turkey-launches-operation-claw-eagle-against-pkk-terrorists-in-northern-iraq Literally the title: Turkey launches Operation Claw-Eagle against PKK *terrorists* in northern Iraq "Daily Sabah (lit. "Daily Morning") is a Turkish pro-government daily,[2][3][4][5] published in Turkey." This utterly fails as a verifiable source. https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkey-destroys-81-pkk-targets-during-operation-claw-eagle-in-northern-iraq-37280
https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkey-destroys-81-pkk-targets-during-operation-claw-eagle-in-northern-iraq-37280 A Section: The counter-terrorism operation allows Turkey to defend its borders and people by destroying PKK hideouts and supply lines in the mountainous region. Turkish World is run and funded entirely by the Turkish State don't need to say anymore.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-iraq-idUSKBN23L0UV Only source in the first line which is both verifiable and NPOV.
https://aktifhaber.com/gundem/msb-duyurdu-mahmur-kampi-cevresi-ve-sengale-hava-saldirisi-h146415.html Source which is of NPOV.
There is more but this so to simply state that fundamentally the article is a mess. Wikipedia must be a place of Neutrality of Point of view and allowing blatant propaganda to be used as a "source" is horrid and simply exists to misinform readers. Vallee01 ( talk) 07:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
What about pro PKK sources?? You keep all pro pkk sources but delete only pro turkish?? Shadow4dark ( talk) 09:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
How did PKK kill 300 a whole regiment Turkish soldiers can you explain it please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cengizsogutlu ( talk • contribs) 01:21, 12 September 2020 (UTC) Cengizsogutlu ( talk) 19:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
No matter how many people try and use Suriyakmaps on Twitter, they are not a reliable reference under any circumstances. See
WP:SPS, random people on Twitter can claim whatever they like but it's not going in this article.
This website does not appear to have any reputation for fact checking and accuracy, so not a reliable reference. Same for
this website, and neither reference Turkish Armed Forces capture 222 square kilometres (86 sq mi) of territory
anyway.
Google Maps link has a disclaimer right at the top saying "This map was created by a user", not a reliable reference.
FDW777 (
talk) 23:41, 14 February 2021 (UTC)