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During the 1970s one of the UK TV companies traced several of the German scientists that had been recruited to work in post 1945 Russia and Gotrupp's widow. Two of the scientists had later become full professors. This programme was broadcast under some title such as "Secret War".
Their various accounts were a fascinating insight into the immediate post war scientific years but general consensus of their opinions were that as the Russians had world class scientists of their own, the Germans added little.
My own video of this programme has deteriorated too badly to be played does anybody know where I can get a copy? AT Kunene ( talk) 10:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Recent expansion of this article appears very one sided, particularly as it has removed all mention of similar operations conducted by other WW2 allies, ie Operation Paperclip, Operation Lusty, Fedden Mission, Operation Alsos, Operation Big, Operation Epsilon etc. I have added back a brief section to the lead that was previously deleted, but it needs a lot more work. Also appears to be over relying on German analysis and views, particularly Olaf Przybilski, would suggest that views from other sources be included, for example Anatoly Zak's | German contribution in the Soviet rocketry: Myth and Reality, Michael J. Neufeld's The Nazi aerospace exodus: towards a global, transnational history, Asif Siddiqi's | Challenge to Apollo and Boris Chertok's | Rockets and People Volumes 1-4 I have also added back the 'expand from the Russian article' tag that was recently removed, that would also provide a more balanced, npov article. Ilenart626 ( talk)
"It took place in the early morning hours of October 22, 1946 when MVD (previously NKVD) and Soviet Army units under the direction of the Soviet Military Administration in Germany (SMAD), headed by Ivan Serov.[1][2][3]" This sentence doesn't make sense and needs changing, but I'm not sure what is trying to be said. I assume it's missing a mention of extraction of people or similar Jbell179 ( talk) 21:44, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Although there was a similar interest in military specialists and scientists from Germany along with Alsos Mission, Operation Paperclip and Russian Alsos, there was no forcible threat in general as compared to Operation Osoaviakhim where specialists and their families were forcibly displaced to the USSR on short notice. For Operation Paperclip, the Germans ( Wernher von Braun and approx. 120 others) voluntarily applied and contracted for work in the US (as reported by Neufeld etc.). The Russian Alsos also relied on voluntary cooperation of Manfred von Ardenne and other specialists (although they might have exerced some pressure for cooperation). The British approach under Alsos Mission (and Operation Epsilon) was cruder and did not ask for agreement when Werner Heisenberg and other German nuclear scientists as well as Walter Dornberger were imprisoned in England for some while. Therefore @ user:ilenart626 should explain which (general) parallelity with other Allied operations he has in mind. SchmiAlf ( talk) 14:39, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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During the 1970s one of the UK TV companies traced several of the German scientists that had been recruited to work in post 1945 Russia and Gotrupp's widow. Two of the scientists had later become full professors. This programme was broadcast under some title such as "Secret War".
Their various accounts were a fascinating insight into the immediate post war scientific years but general consensus of their opinions were that as the Russians had world class scientists of their own, the Germans added little.
My own video of this programme has deteriorated too badly to be played does anybody know where I can get a copy? AT Kunene ( talk) 10:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Recent expansion of this article appears very one sided, particularly as it has removed all mention of similar operations conducted by other WW2 allies, ie Operation Paperclip, Operation Lusty, Fedden Mission, Operation Alsos, Operation Big, Operation Epsilon etc. I have added back a brief section to the lead that was previously deleted, but it needs a lot more work. Also appears to be over relying on German analysis and views, particularly Olaf Przybilski, would suggest that views from other sources be included, for example Anatoly Zak's | German contribution in the Soviet rocketry: Myth and Reality, Michael J. Neufeld's The Nazi aerospace exodus: towards a global, transnational history, Asif Siddiqi's | Challenge to Apollo and Boris Chertok's | Rockets and People Volumes 1-4 I have also added back the 'expand from the Russian article' tag that was recently removed, that would also provide a more balanced, npov article. Ilenart626 ( talk)
"It took place in the early morning hours of October 22, 1946 when MVD (previously NKVD) and Soviet Army units under the direction of the Soviet Military Administration in Germany (SMAD), headed by Ivan Serov.[1][2][3]" This sentence doesn't make sense and needs changing, but I'm not sure what is trying to be said. I assume it's missing a mention of extraction of people or similar Jbell179 ( talk) 21:44, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Although there was a similar interest in military specialists and scientists from Germany along with Alsos Mission, Operation Paperclip and Russian Alsos, there was no forcible threat in general as compared to Operation Osoaviakhim where specialists and their families were forcibly displaced to the USSR on short notice. For Operation Paperclip, the Germans ( Wernher von Braun and approx. 120 others) voluntarily applied and contracted for work in the US (as reported by Neufeld etc.). The Russian Alsos also relied on voluntary cooperation of Manfred von Ardenne and other specialists (although they might have exerced some pressure for cooperation). The British approach under Alsos Mission (and Operation Epsilon) was cruder and did not ask for agreement when Werner Heisenberg and other German nuclear scientists as well as Walter Dornberger were imprisoned in England for some while. Therefore @ user:ilenart626 should explain which (general) parallelity with other Allied operations he has in mind. SchmiAlf ( talk) 14:39, 16 October 2023 (UTC)