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Hey guys and girls. I'm proposing a merger of this article into Libyan no-fly zone. If I understand correctly from the article, this is the British part of the more general operation, As I don't really see how this British segment is in any way different from, say, French (underway), Canadian (to come) or American (possibly to come), I'm not sure if there are enough information about it to warrant a separate article and, even if there are, if it makes sense to make 30 articles (one for each country) about essentially the same thing. Would there also be 30 articles on Operation Deny Flight, for example? (On an unrelated sidenote, why does it say "Kosovo" at the beginning of Operation Deny Flight and why can't I find any reference to this word in the edit page?) Peasantwarrior ( talk) 19:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Either give both Operation Odyssey Dawn and Operation Ellamy pages separate from the Libyan NFZ page or have both redirect. Quærens talk/ contributions 20:48, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
As I said, things change very quickly and now all three operations have been created. I have removed the merger banner from the main article but if anybody thinks that there would be any reason to keep the discussion going, please feel free to spring it back up. Jaguar ( talk) 21:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - too much detail on the main Libya no-fly zone article as it is. Best to break down the copious information somehow. Would actually like to see a simplified Libya no-fly zone article, with information put into a timeline article and various operation articles. David ( talk) 12:51, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - The 2011 military intervention in Libya page has too much detail to be merged anyway. This page summarises British intervention which I don't have a problem with at all. I see reason to merge the page. Stevo1000 ( talk) 21:27, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
What does "Ellamy" mean? ( {Heroeswithmetaphors talk} 20:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC))
I'd propose using a different name for Libya, as the definition of "Libya": a country split in two is not clear. What we really need to describe is forces loyal to Gaddafi. I'd advise using {{flagicon|Libya}} '''[[Gaddafi]] [[loyalists]]''' as seen on the main uprising article. Jolly Ω Janner 23:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
It doesnt make sense to have separate articles for US, UK and French operations in Libya, simply because they each have different code names. They are coordinated coalition operations against a single enemy. The articles should be unified under a new title, perhaps Coalition operations in Libya. - 67.161.54.63 ( talk) 00:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
No, i believe we should keep them independant, just like the operations in iraq/afghanistan. Webb20k ( talk) 21:29, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The Royal Navy SSN fired cruise missiles along with USShips--so which operation was the RN sub part of? Ellamy or the American operation? Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 09:13, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The other Operation articles (UN1973) seem to have a timeline section, should this one also? 184.144.166.85 ( talk) 12:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we should change the definition of Op Ellamy to state: "Operation Ellamy is the codename for the United Kingdom participation in the enforcement of UN Security Council Revolution 1973" (As defined by MoD - http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/LibyaUpdate.htm) From "Operation Ellamy is the codename for the United Kingdom participation in the Libyan no-fly zone" Op Ellamy covers all UK action, not just the enforcement of a NFZ Gp324 ( talk) 22:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
There has been significant media coverage of eyewitness reports of British special forces ( Special Air Service, Special Boat Service and Special Reconnaissance Regiment) on the ground in Libya. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Should this be included? ShipFan ( talk) 05:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
What is the difference between these two sections? Why aren't the photos of the various military assets in Military Equipment Used just part of a gallery in the Deployed Forces section? Mztourist ( talk) 13:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I challenge that claim. The article says no specific number Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 18:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Should we add Queen Elizabeth II as a commander In the I infobox? She is the commander in chief making her the highest ranked military offical. Spongie555 ( talk) 05:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
One of the most updated and sourced and non-biased unlike the Americanised article Operation Odyssey Dawn Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 15:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
The iss has a comprehensive list of assets deployed; im a bit busy now but i will ammend in time
http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-voices/operation-odyssey-dawn-ellamy-harmattan-mobile/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaq12wsx ( talk • contribs) 06:06, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Operation Unified Protector consolidated all the various operations against Gaddafi forces with effect from 31 March. The Odyssey Dawn, Mobile and Harmattan pages all end on 31 March, so why is the Ellamy page being continued? Mztourist ( talk) 12:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Operation is stil continuing. Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 10:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I will include RFTG assets in the force table shortly. Leave citation tags atm please. G.R. Allison ( talk) 00:02, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
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I'm not entirely sure where the 22-36 figure for deaths on the British side originates from Freddie Scowen ( talk) 12:11, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hey guys and girls. I'm proposing a merger of this article into Libyan no-fly zone. If I understand correctly from the article, this is the British part of the more general operation, As I don't really see how this British segment is in any way different from, say, French (underway), Canadian (to come) or American (possibly to come), I'm not sure if there are enough information about it to warrant a separate article and, even if there are, if it makes sense to make 30 articles (one for each country) about essentially the same thing. Would there also be 30 articles on Operation Deny Flight, for example? (On an unrelated sidenote, why does it say "Kosovo" at the beginning of Operation Deny Flight and why can't I find any reference to this word in the edit page?) Peasantwarrior ( talk) 19:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Either give both Operation Odyssey Dawn and Operation Ellamy pages separate from the Libyan NFZ page or have both redirect. Quærens talk/ contributions 20:48, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
As I said, things change very quickly and now all three operations have been created. I have removed the merger banner from the main article but if anybody thinks that there would be any reason to keep the discussion going, please feel free to spring it back up. Jaguar ( talk) 21:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - too much detail on the main Libya no-fly zone article as it is. Best to break down the copious information somehow. Would actually like to see a simplified Libya no-fly zone article, with information put into a timeline article and various operation articles. David ( talk) 12:51, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - The 2011 military intervention in Libya page has too much detail to be merged anyway. This page summarises British intervention which I don't have a problem with at all. I see reason to merge the page. Stevo1000 ( talk) 21:27, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
What does "Ellamy" mean? ( {Heroeswithmetaphors talk} 20:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC))
I'd propose using a different name for Libya, as the definition of "Libya": a country split in two is not clear. What we really need to describe is forces loyal to Gaddafi. I'd advise using {{flagicon|Libya}} '''[[Gaddafi]] [[loyalists]]''' as seen on the main uprising article. Jolly Ω Janner 23:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
It doesnt make sense to have separate articles for US, UK and French operations in Libya, simply because they each have different code names. They are coordinated coalition operations against a single enemy. The articles should be unified under a new title, perhaps Coalition operations in Libya. - 67.161.54.63 ( talk) 00:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
No, i believe we should keep them independant, just like the operations in iraq/afghanistan. Webb20k ( talk) 21:29, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The Royal Navy SSN fired cruise missiles along with USShips--so which operation was the RN sub part of? Ellamy or the American operation? Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 09:13, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
The other Operation articles (UN1973) seem to have a timeline section, should this one also? 184.144.166.85 ( talk) 12:23, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we should change the definition of Op Ellamy to state: "Operation Ellamy is the codename for the United Kingdom participation in the enforcement of UN Security Council Revolution 1973" (As defined by MoD - http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/LibyaUpdate.htm) From "Operation Ellamy is the codename for the United Kingdom participation in the Libyan no-fly zone" Op Ellamy covers all UK action, not just the enforcement of a NFZ Gp324 ( talk) 22:47, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
There has been significant media coverage of eyewitness reports of British special forces ( Special Air Service, Special Boat Service and Special Reconnaissance Regiment) on the ground in Libya. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Should this be included? ShipFan ( talk) 05:05, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
What is the difference between these two sections? Why aren't the photos of the various military assets in Military Equipment Used just part of a gallery in the Deployed Forces section? Mztourist ( talk) 13:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I challenge that claim. The article says no specific number Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 18:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Should we add Queen Elizabeth II as a commander In the I infobox? She is the commander in chief making her the highest ranked military offical. Spongie555 ( talk) 05:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
One of the most updated and sourced and non-biased unlike the Americanised article Operation Odyssey Dawn Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 15:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
The iss has a comprehensive list of assets deployed; im a bit busy now but i will ammend in time
http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-voices/operation-odyssey-dawn-ellamy-harmattan-mobile/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaq12wsx ( talk • contribs) 06:06, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Operation Unified Protector consolidated all the various operations against Gaddafi forces with effect from 31 March. The Odyssey Dawn, Mobile and Harmattan pages all end on 31 March, so why is the Ellamy page being continued? Mztourist ( talk) 12:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Operation is stil continuing. Other dictionaries are better ( talk) 10:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I will include RFTG assets in the force table shortly. Leave citation tags atm please. G.R. Allison ( talk) 00:02, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
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I'm not entirely sure where the 22-36 figure for deaths on the British side originates from Freddie Scowen ( talk) 12:11, 1 November 2019 (UTC)