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Did these B-52s really carry 1000 pounders in 1965? In 1972, they all (both D and G models) carried either 500 or 750 pounders.
I'd like to add information on the typical 'box' delivery footprint of cells used for CAS. One source I have says the 3-plane cells followed single file through the box, but John Paul Vann at the siege/battle of Kontum asked SAC to run the planes in formation to get a wider coverage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.118.176 ( talk) 03:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Were also called "ball games." The three-plane formations were essential for their electronic countermeasures to work properly. — a single plane or even a pair of them could deny SAM-2 radar, range information but not azimuth — a 3-cell formation blanked radar coverage completely. Once Israelis brought home an SA-2 and supplied it to US, different tactics were used that could cause a SAM to self-destruct, but the 3-cell "ball games" continued. BTW, BULLET SHOT' was the term used for support technicians rotated to Guam on 179-day temporary duty (TDY) — 180 days or more of TDY qualified as a permanent change of station (PCS) and entitlement to PCS allowances. -- Pawyilee ( talk) 16:24, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
User:PaulinSaudi is correct that this is poor page, but not that it hardly matters. To circumvent edit wars, I'll work on it in User:Pawyilee/Sandbox. Editor/warriors are welcome to diddle with it, and to leave comments at User talk:Pawyilee/Sandbox. -- Pawyilee ( talk) 05:32, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
"Releasing their bombs from high in the stratosphere, the B-52s could neither be seen nor heard from the ground as they inflicted horrific damage."
Perhaps, but Vietcong etc. could tell when a raid would come. The sky would be clear of gunships and other aircraft, Vietnamese would then hide underground. 81.68.255.36 ( talk) 11:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
A B52 flying so high up that you can't see it, dropping 30 tons of free-fall bombs, as described, couldn't even by the wildest, widest stretch of the imagination be called CAS... 85.229.55.181 ( talk) 00:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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Anything I write here is from the perspective of a son of Major Jack R. Lippold, Pilot, 28th Bomb Wing, Ellsworth AFB. We moved to Ellsworth at the very end of 1965 and left for Little Rock AFB in the latter part of 1967, During that period, Jack deployed to Anderson AFB with the 28th BW two times, for approximately 6 months each tour. Jack always referred to both tours as ARC LIGHT. There were at least two bomb wings assigned to Anderson, as there were many anecdotes about the lack of revetment space, and aircraft parked on overrun and taxiway areas. I believe the second wing present for at least part of the time was the 484th Bomb Wing from Turner AFB, as detailed elsewhere on Wikipedia.
In apparent contradiction of others on here, the 3-aircraft cell formations during early Arc Light bomb-runs were NOT single-file, or at least not always so. Jack's descriptions were consistently of being the lead aircraft in the 3-ship formation, with the other aircraft to both his right and left. This description is reinforced by "Super-8" 8mm movie film in my possession from the cockpit of Jack's aircraft, showing bomb release by both wingmen over SEA, during 1966 and 1967.
The aircraft may not have been visible at altitude, but most of the Super-8 footage I have suggests that pronounced contrails were common. Jack discussed efforts that were made to change altitude to avoid "conning". Horseheaven ( talk) 07:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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Did these B-52s really carry 1000 pounders in 1965? In 1972, they all (both D and G models) carried either 500 or 750 pounders.
I'd like to add information on the typical 'box' delivery footprint of cells used for CAS. One source I have says the 3-plane cells followed single file through the box, but John Paul Vann at the siege/battle of Kontum asked SAC to run the planes in formation to get a wider coverage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.118.176 ( talk) 03:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Were also called "ball games." The three-plane formations were essential for their electronic countermeasures to work properly. — a single plane or even a pair of them could deny SAM-2 radar, range information but not azimuth — a 3-cell formation blanked radar coverage completely. Once Israelis brought home an SA-2 and supplied it to US, different tactics were used that could cause a SAM to self-destruct, but the 3-cell "ball games" continued. BTW, BULLET SHOT' was the term used for support technicians rotated to Guam on 179-day temporary duty (TDY) — 180 days or more of TDY qualified as a permanent change of station (PCS) and entitlement to PCS allowances. -- Pawyilee ( talk) 16:24, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
User:PaulinSaudi is correct that this is poor page, but not that it hardly matters. To circumvent edit wars, I'll work on it in User:Pawyilee/Sandbox. Editor/warriors are welcome to diddle with it, and to leave comments at User talk:Pawyilee/Sandbox. -- Pawyilee ( talk) 05:32, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
"Releasing their bombs from high in the stratosphere, the B-52s could neither be seen nor heard from the ground as they inflicted horrific damage."
Perhaps, but Vietcong etc. could tell when a raid would come. The sky would be clear of gunships and other aircraft, Vietnamese would then hide underground. 81.68.255.36 ( talk) 11:11, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
A B52 flying so high up that you can't see it, dropping 30 tons of free-fall bombs, as described, couldn't even by the wildest, widest stretch of the imagination be called CAS... 85.229.55.181 ( talk) 00:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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Cheers. — cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 09:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Anything I write here is from the perspective of a son of Major Jack R. Lippold, Pilot, 28th Bomb Wing, Ellsworth AFB. We moved to Ellsworth at the very end of 1965 and left for Little Rock AFB in the latter part of 1967, During that period, Jack deployed to Anderson AFB with the 28th BW two times, for approximately 6 months each tour. Jack always referred to both tours as ARC LIGHT. There were at least two bomb wings assigned to Anderson, as there were many anecdotes about the lack of revetment space, and aircraft parked on overrun and taxiway areas. I believe the second wing present for at least part of the time was the 484th Bomb Wing from Turner AFB, as detailed elsewhere on Wikipedia.
In apparent contradiction of others on here, the 3-aircraft cell formations during early Arc Light bomb-runs were NOT single-file, or at least not always so. Jack's descriptions were consistently of being the lead aircraft in the 3-ship formation, with the other aircraft to both his right and left. This description is reinforced by "Super-8" 8mm movie film in my possession from the cockpit of Jack's aircraft, showing bomb release by both wingmen over SEA, during 1966 and 1967.
The aircraft may not have been visible at altitude, but most of the Super-8 footage I have suggests that pronounced contrails were common. Jack discussed efforts that were made to change altitude to avoid "conning". Horseheaven ( talk) 07:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)