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After somehow managing to snatch a Labour heartland, George Galloway was asked by Jermey Paxman if he was happy to have ousted one of the few female black MPs. I ask why does (or should) this matter? Is it wrong for constituencies where black, female candidates stand to be contested? - Surely not for democracy's sake.
I found this out as heresay sometime after the election. When I first saw Oona King, I was puzzled. The woman did not appear to be black at all (she looks slightly tanned, almost mediterranean ). Upon reading the article, I found out here mother was jewish - perhaps she should be referred to as mixed race.
With this in mind, I conclude that the title of second female MP to be elected is invalid. It is quite clear that Dianne Abbot is the first black woman MP, comparing the two, I don't think Oona King is the second.
Personally I do feel that being black actually depends on whether or not your skin is black. I don't think that a person can go round choosing their race willy nilly. She is the offspring of a black person and a jew, such a combination of races would inferre to me that Oona King is indeed mixed race.
Does anyone have a source for the Galloway quote "the deaths of many people in Iraq with blacker faces than hers" in its context? I can't find an in-context source, and the news reports I've found quoting that phrase do not say it was a reference to Oona's jewishness. So I'd like to see the quote in context to judge if that claim in this article is justified. (NB the original source given [1] didn't even contain the quote, so I've changed it to one [2] that at least has the quote out of context.) - Rwendland 23:27, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
No-one has offered a source, and on a second attempt with google I cannot find a source, so I am removing this allegation about Oona's jewishness as unsourced. - Rwendland 13:10, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
"King's view on the invasion of Iraq have changed since the poor handling of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath by the United States" The quote given doesn't seem to imply that her views on the decision to go to war has changed. It'd just indicate that she has a low opinion of Bush's handling of it, and as far as I can tell, she held a poor view of Bush even before the invasion of Iraq. Andjam 03:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
If you look at the full source (given in external links) it says:
Do you think we need to include this bit of the quote as well? -- Rwendland 13:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
I can understand that Oona used to be an MP, but she is no longer in my mind a person of any importance apart from trying to get self-publicity all the time. What are your thoughts before I mark the page for deletion? User:Hayday
Dear Mtiedemann,
Read, understood and I agree (I just don't like the woman to be honest, she’s as false and as slimey as George Gallaway...poor Bethnal Green) I prey for the day that they get a decent MP.
I agree- I despise Oona King. However your argument could be applied to Michael Portillo (former MP [and Secretary of State for Defence], now just someone we see on TV from time to time). I think he's intitled at least...
Hayday 16:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi all - I've begun work on creating an Infobox for Members of Parliament - you'll see it commented out when you edit the page. I can't get it working, so feel free to wade in / advise - I'll go and seek help elsewhere too.... Petesmiles 04:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
pls revert. if ever there was an approprate time to list one as a black jew, i think this would be it.
you are overreaching. kindly desist.
tx.
-- Epeefleche 08:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Yup. That's what her fame stems from. Otherwise, she would have just been another not-Wiki-worthy Brit MP.
-- Epeefleche 08:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
And oh ... it looks as though you haven't gotten to Moses yet ... he is described as a Hebrew ... in the first line and all! Can ya believe it?
The article, prior to the edit I'm about to make, stated "This led to the Respect's George Galloway, a leader of the Stop the War Coalition, standing against her at the 2005 general election." This is contrary to what I understand to be the reality; Galloway decided to run in Bethnal Green and Bo because Respect had done well at the local elections. So while Oona King's vote for the war (along with many other Labour and Conservative MPs) was used prominently against her in the campaign it wasn't the cause of the challenge as the article seems to imply. Or so I understand; I feel that if there's a revert from the cause-neutral change I'm going to make it should be accompanied by a citation. DACrowe10 ( talk) 11:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Having read
her excellent maiden speech, I just didn't recognise what appeared here as a summary. King described herself as "multi-ethnic", representing "a truly multicultural constituency" .."where hardship and deprivation gave birth to Britain's greatest social reforms" She described Beveridge and Attlee, being surrounded by "East End infant mortality rate of 55 per cent" leading to social reforms and the NHS. She says there is a need for coherence in the strategy for eradicating poverty and emphasises the role of education in the elimination of poverty.
All that appears are the racial obscenities which she clearly hated and which get repeated in Loss of 2005 election section. Does anyone have a serious objection to replacing "unparliamentary language" and providing a proper summary of her maiden speech?
JRPG (
talk) 15:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous user created a section entitled "Scandal", where Ken Livingstone claimed that Oona King used inappropriate means of obtaining Labour Party members email addresses. However, the Labour Party stated that they gave details of members to both Ken Livingstone and Oona King. This clearly appears to be an anonymous Ken Livingstone supporter trying manipulate Wikipedia for its own goals.
This allegation was not picked up by any main-stream British paper. It was picked up by the London tabloid the Evening Standard. And in either case, it is hardly a "scandal." The title also lends credence to the notion that this is cyber-vandalism designed to score political points rather than create a serious story that properly reflects the life of Oona King. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wy harvard ( talk • contribs) 13:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
King should only be described as a politician if she wins the nomination. ( 92.4.45.37 ( talk) 20:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC))
She ceased to be a politician when she lost her seat five years ago. Even winning the Labour nomination would not qualify, she should only be referred to as a politician if she is elected mayor of London. ( 92.3.161.137 ( talk) 11:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC))
She's a former politician, she stopped being a politician in 2005. ( 92.12.151.248 ( talk) 18:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC))
The result of the proposal was not moved. Seems to be a clear consensus that she is generally known without the title. -- rgpk ( comment) 22:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Oona King → Oona King, Baroness King of Bow —. The WP:PEER guideline states that the peerage title should be shown unless the peer is normally or exclusively known without it. The exception does not apply here. She is not well known, as e.g. Margaret Thatcher. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Quotations sections do not belong on Wikipedia WP:NOT WP:QUOTE they go on Wikiquote instead. 64.4.93.100 ( talk) 21:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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After somehow managing to snatch a Labour heartland, George Galloway was asked by Jermey Paxman if he was happy to have ousted one of the few female black MPs. I ask why does (or should) this matter? Is it wrong for constituencies where black, female candidates stand to be contested? - Surely not for democracy's sake.
I found this out as heresay sometime after the election. When I first saw Oona King, I was puzzled. The woman did not appear to be black at all (she looks slightly tanned, almost mediterranean ). Upon reading the article, I found out here mother was jewish - perhaps she should be referred to as mixed race.
With this in mind, I conclude that the title of second female MP to be elected is invalid. It is quite clear that Dianne Abbot is the first black woman MP, comparing the two, I don't think Oona King is the second.
Personally I do feel that being black actually depends on whether or not your skin is black. I don't think that a person can go round choosing their race willy nilly. She is the offspring of a black person and a jew, such a combination of races would inferre to me that Oona King is indeed mixed race.
Does anyone have a source for the Galloway quote "the deaths of many people in Iraq with blacker faces than hers" in its context? I can't find an in-context source, and the news reports I've found quoting that phrase do not say it was a reference to Oona's jewishness. So I'd like to see the quote in context to judge if that claim in this article is justified. (NB the original source given [1] didn't even contain the quote, so I've changed it to one [2] that at least has the quote out of context.) - Rwendland 23:27, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
No-one has offered a source, and on a second attempt with google I cannot find a source, so I am removing this allegation about Oona's jewishness as unsourced. - Rwendland 13:10, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
"King's view on the invasion of Iraq have changed since the poor handling of Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath by the United States" The quote given doesn't seem to imply that her views on the decision to go to war has changed. It'd just indicate that she has a low opinion of Bush's handling of it, and as far as I can tell, she held a poor view of Bush even before the invasion of Iraq. Andjam 03:49, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
If you look at the full source (given in external links) it says:
Do you think we need to include this bit of the quote as well? -- Rwendland 13:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
I can understand that Oona used to be an MP, but she is no longer in my mind a person of any importance apart from trying to get self-publicity all the time. What are your thoughts before I mark the page for deletion? User:Hayday
Dear Mtiedemann,
Read, understood and I agree (I just don't like the woman to be honest, she’s as false and as slimey as George Gallaway...poor Bethnal Green) I prey for the day that they get a decent MP.
I agree- I despise Oona King. However your argument could be applied to Michael Portillo (former MP [and Secretary of State for Defence], now just someone we see on TV from time to time). I think he's intitled at least...
Hayday 16:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi all - I've begun work on creating an Infobox for Members of Parliament - you'll see it commented out when you edit the page. I can't get it working, so feel free to wade in / advise - I'll go and seek help elsewhere too.... Petesmiles 04:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
pls revert. if ever there was an approprate time to list one as a black jew, i think this would be it.
you are overreaching. kindly desist.
tx.
-- Epeefleche 08:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Yup. That's what her fame stems from. Otherwise, she would have just been another not-Wiki-worthy Brit MP.
-- Epeefleche 08:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
And oh ... it looks as though you haven't gotten to Moses yet ... he is described as a Hebrew ... in the first line and all! Can ya believe it?
The article, prior to the edit I'm about to make, stated "This led to the Respect's George Galloway, a leader of the Stop the War Coalition, standing against her at the 2005 general election." This is contrary to what I understand to be the reality; Galloway decided to run in Bethnal Green and Bo because Respect had done well at the local elections. So while Oona King's vote for the war (along with many other Labour and Conservative MPs) was used prominently against her in the campaign it wasn't the cause of the challenge as the article seems to imply. Or so I understand; I feel that if there's a revert from the cause-neutral change I'm going to make it should be accompanied by a citation. DACrowe10 ( talk) 11:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Having read
her excellent maiden speech, I just didn't recognise what appeared here as a summary. King described herself as "multi-ethnic", representing "a truly multicultural constituency" .."where hardship and deprivation gave birth to Britain's greatest social reforms" She described Beveridge and Attlee, being surrounded by "East End infant mortality rate of 55 per cent" leading to social reforms and the NHS. She says there is a need for coherence in the strategy for eradicating poverty and emphasises the role of education in the elimination of poverty.
All that appears are the racial obscenities which she clearly hated and which get repeated in Loss of 2005 election section. Does anyone have a serious objection to replacing "unparliamentary language" and providing a proper summary of her maiden speech?
JRPG (
talk) 15:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous user created a section entitled "Scandal", where Ken Livingstone claimed that Oona King used inappropriate means of obtaining Labour Party members email addresses. However, the Labour Party stated that they gave details of members to both Ken Livingstone and Oona King. This clearly appears to be an anonymous Ken Livingstone supporter trying manipulate Wikipedia for its own goals.
This allegation was not picked up by any main-stream British paper. It was picked up by the London tabloid the Evening Standard. And in either case, it is hardly a "scandal." The title also lends credence to the notion that this is cyber-vandalism designed to score political points rather than create a serious story that properly reflects the life of Oona King. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wy harvard ( talk • contribs) 13:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
King should only be described as a politician if she wins the nomination. ( 92.4.45.37 ( talk) 20:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC))
She ceased to be a politician when she lost her seat five years ago. Even winning the Labour nomination would not qualify, she should only be referred to as a politician if she is elected mayor of London. ( 92.3.161.137 ( talk) 11:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC))
She's a former politician, she stopped being a politician in 2005. ( 92.12.151.248 ( talk) 18:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC))
The result of the proposal was not moved. Seems to be a clear consensus that she is generally known without the title. -- rgpk ( comment) 22:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Oona King → Oona King, Baroness King of Bow —. The WP:PEER guideline states that the peerage title should be shown unless the peer is normally or exclusively known without it. The exception does not apply here. She is not well known, as e.g. Margaret Thatcher. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:08, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Quotations sections do not belong on Wikipedia WP:NOT WP:QUOTE they go on Wikiquote instead. 64.4.93.100 ( talk) 21:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)