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I came to OUATITW specifically to find out where it was filmed. Anyone reviewing, who knows it might be a good thing to add. thanks anyway —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.192.144 ( talk) 21:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Like all Leone's Westerns it was shot in Spain, with the one authentic location shot being Arizona's Monument Valley region (only for the shots of the wagon taking Claudia out to McBaine's farm). Used to lend a sense of authenticity to the the Western epic, this sequence of "trek' shots has became legendary, but not as legendary as the "West Shot" which has been copied by many famous directors (including Robert Zimeckis in BTTF3) wherin the camera dollies up over a rooftop to reveal a classic western main street (which Leone shot on the backlot in Spain). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.79.233 ( talk) 14:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Do we really need two Fair Use images just to illustrate what the actors look like in their roles? We can already see this in the movie poster provided. They really don't add enough to justify their inclusion. Unless anyone can give me a substantial reason for them being here, I'm going to nominate them for deletion. Thanks, Litho derm 05:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I think that the poster only is not enough. 173.186.212.194 ( talk) 12:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand why my edit has been reverted: the article states that the movie has first been released in Europe with a runtime of 166 minutes, then edited by Paramount for the US release. So wouldn't the original runtime, both time wise and creator wise, be 166 minutes? I found no rule about runtimes in infoboxes, neither in WP:MOSFILM nor on Template:Infobox_film. Sff9 ( talk) 21:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Hiya! Just watched the restored Blu-ray version and checked the following point by advancing frame by frame:
The current plot section states that Harmonica's older brother kicks him away and thus gets hung on the village bell. There is no indication of Harmonica being kicked away; rather he collapses from exhaustion, which was kind of the point of making Harmonica part of the execution of his brother. If you watch frame by frame you'll see that his brothers feet do not make any kind of kicking movement, Harmonica just crumbles away from beneath him.
And to be honest, I've never before heard or read anyone say otherwise. But me reviewing the movie could be borderline OR, so if anybody else has the movie and wants to check this out as well, please do. I won't be making any changes either way, my position is clear and I'll leave it to the active editors to discuss this and reach a consensus.
Cheers! 188.107.120.232 ( talk) 01:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
The introduction uses 2 hours and 46 minutes or 166 minutes for the "original version" later called "International Version" and "European version". The box and the "Releases" paragraph use 165 minutes. This is inconsistent with both naming and timing.
The box at the top uses "165 minutes (International Version)" later labeled "European release". The "European release" section does not mentioned that the version is 165-minute long. Also, the box does not list the 145-minute "American release" version. Moreover, the "Director's cut" version says "more recent home video releases have used the international cut" but the box never uses "international" but rather "European". The box and the "Director's cut" paragraph should be consistent with the naming.
I think the "Releases" paragraph should list the versions from the longest to the shortest.
There is no explanation behind the low box office sales in the U.S.A. It would be nice to add that information. The movie in France, if not the rest of Europe, did well.
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The end of the introduction section states "The film is now generally acknowledged as a masterpiece and one of the greatest films ever made." The cited reference supports this using the opinion of a single movie reviewer. I think "generally acknowledged as a masterpiece" is too strong when only supported by a single opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuchenmeister58 ( talk • contribs) 03:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
The opening scene of The Train Robbers, 1973: http://westernsontheblog.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-train-robbers-1973.html First paragraph after the cast list. It was tv in the UK yesterday, at the time of writing, and I thought of OUATITW straight away. Middle More Rider ( talk) 15:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Shane (1953): The massacre scene in West features young Timmy McBain out hunting with his father, just as Joey does in this movie. The funeral of the McBains is borrowed almost shot-for-shot from Shane.[40]
Ok - I haven't read Frayling but I do know both films, especially Shane and 1) In his commentary Frayling quite rightly doesn't mention Joey hunting with his father cos that never happens though Joey is playing at shooting the deer with a stick. Life and death are more real in the Leone to that extent anyway. And 2) the funeral scenes are in now way whatsoever the same other than using ropes to lower the coffin The Leone has no hymn, no music, no dropping of earth by the widow, no cut-away to town, no horse threatening to bite, no grieving dog, no speech - nothing. Far from being a shot for shot if it resembles anyway there is a fairly sudden walking off - though not a "Put an amen to that" as the commentator mentions in relation to The Searchers Sothe second half of the reference needs to go whilst the first can refer to Joey's play hunting.
The Italian title seems to suggest that the very concept of "the West" is a fairy tale. The US title suggests that the story is a particular fairy tale without calling into question the "reality" of the West, even suggesting it was the kind of place in which mythic things could happen. Am I right? Starple ( talk) 17:54, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Jason Robards played Morton the crooked Railroad man, Lee Marvin played Cheyenne. 184.99.186.75 ( talk) 01:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
One has tried to insert material about the sexual encounter of Frank and Jill, which may well have been a rape, see, e.g., https://www.slashfilm.com/974492/henry-fondas-first-ever-love-scene-got-once-upon-a-time-in-the-west-off-to-an-awkward-start/ ,
It's not as in-your-face as the controversial rape scenes in Leone's later film "Once Upon a Time in America," but there's a threat of coercion hanging over Claudia's twisted "love" scene with Frank, as he caresses her and says, "I'm beginning to think I might feel a little sorry killing you. You like being alive?"
the sequence of Frank's brutal love-making rape of the seductive ex-whore Jill, when he told her while on top of her: "I think, yeah. ... You also like to feel a man's hands all over you. You like it? Even if they're the hands of the man who killed your husband. What a - what a little tramp. Is there anything in the world you wouldn't do to save your skin?"
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I came to OUATITW specifically to find out where it was filmed. Anyone reviewing, who knows it might be a good thing to add. thanks anyway —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.192.144 ( talk) 21:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Like all Leone's Westerns it was shot in Spain, with the one authentic location shot being Arizona's Monument Valley region (only for the shots of the wagon taking Claudia out to McBaine's farm). Used to lend a sense of authenticity to the the Western epic, this sequence of "trek' shots has became legendary, but not as legendary as the "West Shot" which has been copied by many famous directors (including Robert Zimeckis in BTTF3) wherin the camera dollies up over a rooftop to reveal a classic western main street (which Leone shot on the backlot in Spain). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.79.233 ( talk) 14:14, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Do we really need two Fair Use images just to illustrate what the actors look like in their roles? We can already see this in the movie poster provided. They really don't add enough to justify their inclusion. Unless anyone can give me a substantial reason for them being here, I'm going to nominate them for deletion. Thanks, Litho derm 05:07, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I think that the poster only is not enough. 173.186.212.194 ( talk) 12:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand why my edit has been reverted: the article states that the movie has first been released in Europe with a runtime of 166 minutes, then edited by Paramount for the US release. So wouldn't the original runtime, both time wise and creator wise, be 166 minutes? I found no rule about runtimes in infoboxes, neither in WP:MOSFILM nor on Template:Infobox_film. Sff9 ( talk) 21:23, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Hiya! Just watched the restored Blu-ray version and checked the following point by advancing frame by frame:
The current plot section states that Harmonica's older brother kicks him away and thus gets hung on the village bell. There is no indication of Harmonica being kicked away; rather he collapses from exhaustion, which was kind of the point of making Harmonica part of the execution of his brother. If you watch frame by frame you'll see that his brothers feet do not make any kind of kicking movement, Harmonica just crumbles away from beneath him.
And to be honest, I've never before heard or read anyone say otherwise. But me reviewing the movie could be borderline OR, so if anybody else has the movie and wants to check this out as well, please do. I won't be making any changes either way, my position is clear and I'll leave it to the active editors to discuss this and reach a consensus.
Cheers! 188.107.120.232 ( talk) 01:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
The introduction uses 2 hours and 46 minutes or 166 minutes for the "original version" later called "International Version" and "European version". The box and the "Releases" paragraph use 165 minutes. This is inconsistent with both naming and timing.
The box at the top uses "165 minutes (International Version)" later labeled "European release". The "European release" section does not mentioned that the version is 165-minute long. Also, the box does not list the 145-minute "American release" version. Moreover, the "Director's cut" version says "more recent home video releases have used the international cut" but the box never uses "international" but rather "European". The box and the "Director's cut" paragraph should be consistent with the naming.
I think the "Releases" paragraph should list the versions from the longest to the shortest.
There is no explanation behind the low box office sales in the U.S.A. It would be nice to add that information. The movie in France, if not the rest of Europe, did well.
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The end of the introduction section states "The film is now generally acknowledged as a masterpiece and one of the greatest films ever made." The cited reference supports this using the opinion of a single movie reviewer. I think "generally acknowledged as a masterpiece" is too strong when only supported by a single opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuchenmeister58 ( talk • contribs) 03:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
The opening scene of The Train Robbers, 1973: http://westernsontheblog.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-train-robbers-1973.html First paragraph after the cast list. It was tv in the UK yesterday, at the time of writing, and I thought of OUATITW straight away. Middle More Rider ( talk) 15:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Shane (1953): The massacre scene in West features young Timmy McBain out hunting with his father, just as Joey does in this movie. The funeral of the McBains is borrowed almost shot-for-shot from Shane.[40]
Ok - I haven't read Frayling but I do know both films, especially Shane and 1) In his commentary Frayling quite rightly doesn't mention Joey hunting with his father cos that never happens though Joey is playing at shooting the deer with a stick. Life and death are more real in the Leone to that extent anyway. And 2) the funeral scenes are in now way whatsoever the same other than using ropes to lower the coffin The Leone has no hymn, no music, no dropping of earth by the widow, no cut-away to town, no horse threatening to bite, no grieving dog, no speech - nothing. Far from being a shot for shot if it resembles anyway there is a fairly sudden walking off - though not a "Put an amen to that" as the commentator mentions in relation to The Searchers Sothe second half of the reference needs to go whilst the first can refer to Joey's play hunting.
The Italian title seems to suggest that the very concept of "the West" is a fairy tale. The US title suggests that the story is a particular fairy tale without calling into question the "reality" of the West, even suggesting it was the kind of place in which mythic things could happen. Am I right? Starple ( talk) 17:54, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Jason Robards played Morton the crooked Railroad man, Lee Marvin played Cheyenne. 184.99.186.75 ( talk) 01:40, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
One has tried to insert material about the sexual encounter of Frank and Jill, which may well have been a rape, see, e.g., https://www.slashfilm.com/974492/henry-fondas-first-ever-love-scene-got-once-upon-a-time-in-the-west-off-to-an-awkward-start/ ,
It's not as in-your-face as the controversial rape scenes in Leone's later film "Once Upon a Time in America," but there's a threat of coercion hanging over Claudia's twisted "love" scene with Frank, as he caresses her and says, "I'm beginning to think I might feel a little sorry killing you. You like being alive?"
the sequence of Frank's brutal love-making rape of the seductive ex-whore Jill, when he told her while on top of her: "I think, yeah. ... You also like to feel a man's hands all over you. You like it? Even if they're the hands of the man who killed your husband. What a - what a little tramp. Is there anything in the world you wouldn't do to save your skin?"
47.149.214.237 ( talk) 01:58, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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Spiel mir das Lied vom Tod has been listed at
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