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This section (Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973) is missing the most recent (current) entry. Wouldn't that be the same guy who is listed as Rank #1 in this section (Oldest living men) ... Saturnino de la Fuente? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 03:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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This is ridiculous. And some editor is accusing me of edit warring. The introduction to the article says Since the death of 111-year-old Dumitru Comănescu of Romania on 27 June 2020, fellow 111-year-old Saturnino de la Fuente of Spain, born 8 February 1909, is the world's oldest known living man. Then -- at the bottom of the article -- there is a table entitled "Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973". And it states: This table lists the sequence of the world's oldest known living men from 1973 to present. However, the table "stops" at May 28, 2020, with Robert Weighton. (So, that is not "up until the present"). I tried adding in the names of the oldest men after May 28, 2020. And some editor keeps removing it. And then accuses me of edit-wars. The very same information is listed at the top of the article. Why can't the same exact information also be listed at the bottom of the article? The editor's edit summary says Table is Only for men identified as WOM by GWR. Removing original research and will give editor a warning. First of all, it's not OR by me. It is sourced by RS's who the oldest man is. Second of all, the same exact info is listed in the intro/lead of the article. It can be listed at the top of the article, but not at the bottom? Third of all, where is this "rule" listed that the chart can only come from GWR citations? The Chart does not say that at all ... or am I missing something? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 03:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
According to some editor above ... we have one criteria to list someone as the "oldest man" at the top of the article. And a totally different criteria to list someone as the "oldest man" at the bottom of the article. First of all, how does this make any sense to anybody? Second, where is this "rule" coming from? Third, isn't the intro paragraph (of any article) supposed to be a summation of the below content? Fourth, how does the "every day / average" reader know any of this, without thinking that the article is contradictory / inconsistent? This encyclopedia is to serve its readers, I thought. Not some arbitrary rules that are somehow supposed to be "magically known" to the readers. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 18:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
The footnote that the dispute about Calment's age "has not been formally resolved" is naive and irrelevant. A similar statemeent is made in the introduction. Science advances by accumulating evidence and not by formal resolution. Furthermore, there is no body that could "formally resolve" the dispute. The dispute is covered at length in the Wikipedia article on Calment. The entire Calment article is linked here, but it might be helpful to link the section "Skepticism regarding age" in the Calment article when discussing the disputed evidence. C Lewison ( talk) 20:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
The disputed research is given undue weight, and is contradictory of an earlier sentence in stating "More evidence of Calment's lifespan has been produced than for any other supercentenarian, such that her case serves as an archetype in the methodology for verifying the ages of the world's oldest people." Archetype cases are by definition beyond reasonable dispute.
In 1955, given continued unbelievable extreme age claims, Norris and Ross McWhirter, the editors of the Guinness Book of World Records, noted the need to validate with sufficient records the “world's oldest person.” In 1986, Norris stated: “No single subject is more obscured by vanity, deceit, falsehood and deliberate fraud than the extremes of human longevity”
However, no case is immune from all possible disputes. The question is whether the alleged dispute has sufficient weight to sufficiently call into question the validity of the supposed verified status of Calment's lifespan. Given the lack of follow-up to the dispute, and long-standing acceptance of Calment's case as verified, this case should not be considered disputed to the level of calling the verified status into question. Scott Nokes 01:15, 19 July 2020 (UTC) [1]
Why is the only dispute mentioned in the footnotes the one against Calment? Lucy Hannah and Nabi Tajima have also been disputed. Also the same researchers who dispute Calment (Valery Novoselov and Nikolay Zak) also dispute Sarah Knauss. Either mention all of the disputes or none of them in the footnotes. There should be consistency here. Quagga1883 ( talk) 19:59, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Should we add a timeline graph for how long people have been the oldest person? If so, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C48:427F:F84E:9592:A4D6:697E:CD64 ( talk) 23:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
The same researchers (Novoselov and Zak) who dispute Calment's age also dispute Sarah Knauss. Wouldn't that make Kane Tanaka the undisputed oldest person ever? There should be consistency here, if you are taking disputes by Novoselov and Zak seriously. Either mention both Calment and Knauss as disputed, or don't mention the dispute at all.
This newspaper article speaks of two Jamaicans with super longevity claims (115 and 117) that are not listed in the wikipedia article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.143.93.72 ( talk) 06:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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8th oldest living woman (Katerina Karnarou, Greece) died 28-Oct-2020 https://www.cnn.gr/ellada/story/240453/krestena-pethane-se-ilikia-115-eton-i-giraioteri-ellinida 178.147.12.212 ( talk) 14:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
"Oldest living people" list the unverified cases as true. Statistics show that an high percentage of unverified cases are false. Please, the cases of Julia Amélia from Conceição, Antônia Santa Cruz and Noeme da Silveira Freitas must be removed. Their age is uncertain. The more relieble source is the world supercentenarians ranking list, by Gerontology Research Group.-- Enzo Encius 08:15, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Should we add a timeline graph for how long people have been the oldest person? I really want one. If so, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40A:8480:1750:ACBE:EAFD:7626:3AFC ( talk) 03:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
I can do it we are doing it since 1945
ok then sorry derby I am a idiot I just found them in Wikipedia but Shigechiyo Izumi was regoniced by genius world records until 2013. Gpshshdhe ( talk) 17:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
you are a furry Gpshshdhe ( talk) 17:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Our table Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973 is largely based on the GRG's Table M, but this has not been update since April 2018 so it has been completed using more recent sources. Prior to my recent edit, Gerneth was omitted, despite the fact that he is already included and referenced in our table Oldest men. Men who later became "the oldest man" (Watanabe, Weighton) had already been added to the list (even though they are not in Table M, because it is out of date). My addition of Gerneth was reverted on the basis of his absence of Table M. This does not seem logical. I've been bold and readded him, please consider all this carefully before reverting again. Ordinary Person ( talk) 04:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
This list is missing the current record holder. The oldest living man is Saturnino de la Fuente. Before that it was Dumitru Comănescu. And before that, it was Robert Weighton, who is the last person on the list. Can Dumitru and Saturnino not be added? TrottieTrue ( talk) 20:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
According to this article: https://www.larepublica.net/noticia/el-tico-mas-longevo-de-costa-rica-ya-fue-vacunado-contra-el-covid-19?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR12Qdy8E-d4aEiq1p9TwwjqCIGk1BifAotV3fz5PknqaoH2T0-2OcNNPW4#Echobox=1611075446 the oldest Costa Rican was just vaccinated, at 120 years old. This would put him as the longest living person at the moment (according to Wikipedia). I later confirmed this at the Costa Rican National Registry ( https://www.consulta.tse.go.cr/consulta_persona/consulta_nombres.aspx) where it confirms that he is 120 and still alive. It would be nice to update the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.134.115.7 ( talk) 08:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
I have had a curious question floating around my head for a while. I didn't know where to bring it up, if at all. It could be of relavance to oldest people, oldest animals, or many other records and things. When counting how old a person is (or anything else for that matter) especially in regards to world records, is any thought, consideration or explanation given to leap days, depending on which year someone was born and died, and time of year, could effect how many leap days they have lived through or missed, and would in effect make them a day or two older than you think, which might not matter if the world records are separated by months, but might matter if they are only separated by a few days. What I mean is, if two people born in 1904 died on their 123rd birthday in 2027. If one was born on 15th Jan 1904 they would live through the leap day of that year, but if the second person was born 15th March 1904 they would not live through the leap day of that year. So if both people died on their 123rd birthday, the one born in Jan would be one day older than the one born in March. When I gave this a little more thought than I should, due to missing leap days every 3 out of 4 centuries, an extreme version I could think of was... A person born on 15 June 2096 and dying on 15 June 2219 on their 123rd birthday would have lived through 28 leap days (missed the 2096, 2100 doesn't have one...so..2104, 2108, 2112, 2116, 2120, 2124, 2128, 2132, 2136, 2140, 2144, 2148, 2152, 2156, 2160, 2164, 2168, 2172, 2176, 2180, 2184, 2188, 2192, 2196, not in 2200, 2204, 2208, 2212, 2216). Another person born on 15 June 1947 and dying on 15 June 2070 on their 123rd birthday would have lived through 31 leap days. (1948, 1952, 1956, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036, 2040, 2044, 2048, 2052, 2056, 2060, 2066, 2070) Ignoring hours, counting only years and days, both people at first glance would appear to be exactly the same age at death, when in reality one would actually be 3 days older than the other. I am aware this was an extreme example in the future but even examples near the present could alter age by one or two days. It could hypothetically happen that one person died on their 123rd birthday, and another person died one day after their 123rd birthday and is classed as having the record by one day, but the one who died on their 123rd birthday could actually be the oldest by one day in reality. I did a very quick Google search and could not find any mention of this skim reading the results.
I know my explanation was a bit lengthy, is this ever considered or mentioned, it could hypothetically matter one day if the oldest people are ever only separated by a small number of days? (Maybe they should start counting leap days as days also, or just count age in days?? Maybe not, but I think leap days should be acknowledged as making a small but not insignificant difference.)
(I was also considering country of birth and death, if one was born in New Zealand and died in Hawaii, and another was born in Hawaii and died in New Zealand, on different sides of the international date line, it could make them appear older or younger by one day than they are also. One could also argue the time of birth and death. One born just before midnight and dying just after midnight, could appear a day older than someone else born just after midnight and dying just before midnight, when they may not actually be. But that's another headache.)
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Phillip Sharp is deceased as of 2 March 2021. I am waiting for a proper obituary to remove him. TFBCT1 ( talk) 15:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
The source for Marcel Meys seems to be more than one year old. Are there any recent sources confirming that he is alive? I have found a new source for Lawrence Brooks: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/09/12/oldest-living-wwii-veteran-celebrates-111th-birthday/ Does it count as reliable? 93.99.12.251 ( talk) 19:28, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
For Marcel Meys, there is this source dating from 2021-02-11: [2] Fondouce ( talk) 08:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
References
I encountered some grg.org links that do not work anymore, such as https://www.grg.org/Adams/C.HTM & https://www.grg.org/Adams/M.HTM
I am busy on other matters. Would someone kindly go through the grg.org links & update them? I know this one works, for instance:
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Newshunter12 decided to revert my change with a new source for Marcel Meyes because one of the sources of the article I found wasn't up to Wikipedia's standart according to him. SO he questionned the source of the source! It's a shame he didn't 1- ask me for explanation ans advise before doing it 2- realise that the main source is the INSEE which is the National Statistics Institute of France, a source a lot more reliable than a newspaper article.
At the same time, I corrected a link to another newspaper (the title is "le dauphiné" and not le dauphin. Could he explain why he reverted this change as well even if it's clearly wrong?-- Fondouce ( talk) 18:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
What is suprising is that the majority of the other sources don't event mention their sources! Why making an exception for this article and this person? He will be 112 soon, it would be more logical to wait a few months before removing it! About the "mess", I added a link and corrected another one. If you call that a mess, what do people call the numerous changes you make all the time?-- Fondouce ( talk) 19:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Why does the list of oldest living men to the present end with someone who died in 2020? Obviously it is not to the present, as the currently oldest man is not listed. WordwizardW ( talk) 14:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
"My edit of the article should not have been reverted". Good point! While we can thank regular contributors on this page, I think it's time to remind some of them that they don't own the page! It doesn't make sense that the last person on this list died 1 or 2 years ago! If somone try to resolve the matter, one could use this talk-page before reverting their work!--Phil of Bristol 21:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil of Bristol ( talk • contribs)
@DerbyCountyinNZ, I was under the ilpression that WordwizardW was speaking of Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973 which is not updated. Am I right, @WordwizardW? talk--Phil of Bristol 08:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I saw an article that identified Hester Ford as 115 or 116 at the time of her death in April 2021. I did not see her on the list. I included the article I read about her below.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article250764259.html 76.206.3.128 ( talk) 21:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Change the oldest person alive from Jeanne Calment to Rehtee Begum of India. She is 124 years old and is still alive and lives in Jammu and Kashmir in Baramulla district. Please look and the news report on the following youtube link of the news channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeaWaU4N0aE Madhur1991 ( talk) 15:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
https://www.publico.pt/2021/06/30/impar/noticia/morreu-albano-andrade-metade-dupla-irmaos-velhos-mundo-1968621 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.114.62.190 ( talk) 19:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
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May I edit this article Jobzaiay13 ( talk) 04:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
To the Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973, adjusting for time zones, please add Gustave Gerneth (source: see Oldest men list on this page), after M. Nonaka and before C. Watanabe. Afterward, please adjust C. Watanabe's data in his list entry. Thanks. Piecesnpawns ( talk) 14:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Gustav Gerneth was never verified and should not be included in this list. 172.85.33.146 ( talk) 20:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, @ Legoshi02. I hope you are doing well. There are a couple of Japanese cases that could potentially be added to this article's "Oldest living men" section if sourcing were located. Shirō Moriyama of Hokkaidō Prefecture (born 6 March 1911) and Tetsuo Shinya of Kagoshima Prefecture (born March 27 1911). This appears to be a source for Shirō Moriyama, but I am unable to access the whole source. Any help you can provide would be much appreciated. Sincerely, Newshunter12 ( talk) 23:45, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Why isn't there a subsection titled "Oldest living women"? It is a bit confusing at first to understand the list when its titles include only "Oldest living people" and "Oldest living men". -¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 16:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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2601:140:8D80:6B50:A185:CA4:A10B:A422 ( talk) 04:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC) For Antonio Urrea Hernandez can you change the date cause he was born in February 18 and 270 Days.
Is it possible to consider Jeanne Calment as disputed? I think Calment shall be considered as disputed - and Sarah Knauss as the oldest person in history - as long as no DNA or blood test has been made!
I don't think the Calment dispute is solved yet. Nikolay Zak considers that a DNA or blood test is required to prove if the person who died in 1997 really was 122-year-old Jeanne or her daughter Yvonne who is claimed to have died young of pneumonia but actually may have usurped her mother's identity and claimed to be her own mother. There is reason to dispute the case of Calment and do a DNA or blood test to prove her claimed age, especially because it is very unlikely or perhaps even impossible for a human to live to that great age!~
Something notable is that if excluding both Calment and Lucy Hannah (who also is debunked nowadays), there was at least one man among the ten oldest in history until January 22, 2016, when Jiroemon Kimura was beaten as the 10th oldest in history by Emma Morano; when Kimura became the oldest man in history, there were even TWO men among the ten oldest ever:
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Remove Ja Hyung Lee from the list of living men because his source is more than 1 year old. 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 10:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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04:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)We're about to run into an interesting issue related to the slightly uneven distribution of leap years. Because Sarah Knauss was born so soon after Leap Day 1880 and died so soon before Leap Day 2000, and because 1900 wasn't a leap year, her 119+ years of life included only 28 leap days. Kane Tanaka, on the other hand, has already lived through 30 leap days. This means that the "119 years" part of Tanaka's listed age is actually two days longer than the "119 years" part of Knauss's listed age. As a result, 26 days from now, Tanaka will appear below Knauss on the list despite having actually lived for more time than Knauss. Oooooooseven ( talk) 22:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please change "Goncalino Norberto" to "Gonçalino Norberto" with a cedilla. There is a cedilla in the source. 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 15:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
I doubt there are Indians who lived long lives, but none of the verifying organisations has had a chance i guess. 103.170.226.54 ( talk) 20:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I can understand sir, but your comment alone, on it's own, has no value if it's not for any proof. Kichawww ( talk) 19:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
These are all pointless. He will never meet the requirements for inclusion in this article. He is in Longevity claims where he belongs. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 20:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
@ 157.45.140.58: [Personal attack removed] his age is derived from obscure temple documents and someone without any verification such as birth certificate or hospital details. He obtained passport and Aadhar based on that. Unverifiable claims are not used here. Almost all news articles you mentioned copy pastes stuff from each other ChandlerMinh ( talk) 18:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
The Guiness source for Juan Vicente Pérez Mora does not seem to say anything about Juan Vicente Pérez Mora. Should it be removed or should we wait until something appears there? 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 14:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Kane Tanaka had died, so take her off green 71.179.12.214 ( talk) 06:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
UK Supercentenarian and marathon runner Fauja Singh (DOB 1 April 1911) is now old enough to be #7 on the oldest men list, but isn't included. Is his birthdate not credibly verified? The article states: "Guinness World Records refused to include Singh in its record book because he could not produce his birth certificate to prove his age. Birth records were not kept in India in 1911. He was however able to produce a passport listing his date of birth as 1 April 1911, and a letter from Queen Elizabeth II congratulating him on his 100th birthday." Ryan Reeder ( talk) 20:42, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I think that Lucile Randon needs a source for this list because GRG has not updated the Table C used for other people on this list. 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 06:24, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
If we're including unvalidated male case Gustav Gerneth on the oldest men ever list, how about also including Horacio Celi Mendoza (1897-2011) and Tomás Pinales Figuereo (1906-2020), both of whom are at least pending according to this organization that verifies Latin American supercentenarians?
https://www.supercentenarios.net/las-personas-m%C3%A1s-longevas
Both of these men are older than Gustav Gerneth anyway. 68.4.99.100 ( talk) 07:31, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
What are the rules for accepting people to this list? Somebody has added Gustav Gerneth to the list without discussion. Should he be kept or removed? 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 08:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
André Boite deceased [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:a790:600:6931:accd:fc64:8d2b ( talk) 20:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Based on consensus spelled out here on the "List of the Oldest Living People" talk page, since all credible outside sources for Maria Branyas Morera cited use "Branyas" and not "Brañas," it should be spelled "Branyas" here too. I am mentioning this here, since there has been many reverts there on this issue, and I anticipate it potentially happening here too. Damiel ( talk) 17:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Padma Shri Swami Sivananda From india 126 years old 45.114.248.211 ( talk) 08:26, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
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You realize that a indigous person in Alaska lived until 119 recently. 2603:80A0:1100:2662:DCF0:2499:8D5D:49A2 ( talk) 16:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Case 1: Sheikh Edebali (1206-1326) Special case, he died before any gerontology-based research group was invented, but 1. scholar of Islam, Islamic scholars usually live for a long time.
Any other opinions? 202.84.42.187 ( talk) 10:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
A woman named Louise Godejohann has recently been validated by LongeviQuest, and takes the place of Marie Olsen in the 'Chronological list of the oldest known living person since 1955".
From (7 October 1959)
Duration (267 days)
Name (Louise Godejohann)
Sex (F)
Age(s) when oldest (109-110)
Lifespan (31 December 1849 - 30 June 1960 -- 110 years, 182 days)
Country of death or residence (United States) Zackylmfao229 ( talk) 20:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
THE OLDEST MAN IN THE WORLD FROM KENYA NYERI COUNTY. Julius Wanyondu Gatonga, a 136-year-old grandfather from Mukurweini, Nyeri. The oldest man in the currently is from NYERI in kenya. Please find to follow this and get to know him. His National ID indicates that he was born in 1884 with the month and exact day not indicated due to lack of proper documentation during the time. https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/56836-nyeris-136-year-old-man-shares-secret-long-life-video?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=DK&utm_campaign=Promotion 102.212.236.183 ( talk) 21:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Would anyone here support the addition of Domingo Villa Avisencio (MEX, 1906-2019) to the WOLM list for the time being? Among currently validated males, he would have succeeded Masazo Nonaka and preceded Chitetsu Watanabe. I know he isn't GWR certified but he is fully validated by LAS (unlike Gerneth who isn't validated at all; Celi and Pinales are pending right now so I would support their re-addition once fully validated). I noticed an LQ-validated SC was recently added to the WOLP list (Ana Nogueira de Luca) which is why I ask this question. OrchestralHuman ( talk) 19:23, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
The asterisk character, '*', is used twice, without explanation, in the article. A Ctrl + f search will help you find the asterisks. 2600:4040:5208:C300:990E:3206:9B0A:BF89 ( talk) 13:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure Guinness World Records counts as experts in gerontology research as described in the lead. Saikyoryu ( talk) 16:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
the next oldest living man outside the top ten who is validated is primo olivieri (7 March 1914) should another man on the list die should we put Mr olivieri on the list? (perhaps as a placeholder) Wwew345t ( talk) 03:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Liked to be 121 but can't find much information… what should I do? V.B.Speranza ( talk) 13:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_oldest_living_men_in_the_United_States 68.225.232.234 ( talk) 11:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
When in question are living verified cases that have been given the status "Pending", they should be included in the list of living people. Below is a small explanation between verification and validation, age verification can be done by independent organizations, while validation can only be done by a scientific organization or GRG, therefore it should be include all LQ verified cases, GRG verified cases (better known as Pending) and GRG validated cases.
Verification and validation (also abbreviated as V&V) are independent procedures that are used together for checking that a product, service, or system meets requirements and specifications and that it fulfills its intended purpose. These are critical components of a quality management system such as ISO 9000. The words "verification" and "validation" are sometimes preceded with "independent", indicating that the verification and validation is to be performed by a disinterested third party. "Independent verification and validation" can be abbreviated as "IV&V". In practice, as quality management terms, the definitions of verification and validation can be inconsistent. Sometimes they are even used interchangeably.
However, the PMBOK guide, a standard adopted by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), defines them as follows in its 4th edition:
When it comes to supercentenarians...
"Verification" would include things such as checking whether the documents exist to prove/disprove the case and making the report. "Validation" includes Approving the Report and incorporating the case into the database.
Source: Gerontology Research Group on WSF ( LINK)
Дејан2021 ( talk) 08:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Pending cases – cases with partial or complete documentation suggesting the age claim may be validatable in the future.As such:
To avoid including false or unconfirmed claims of old age, names here are restricted to those people whose ages have been validated by an international body dealing in longevity research[.]Softmist ( talk) 09:16, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Name is Francisca Susano, born Sept. 11, 1897 and died on Nov 22, 2021, lived up to 124 years
You've got to update this page as it is not accurate anymore.
https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Francisca_Susano
https://nypost.com/2021/11/24/francisca-susano-oldest-woman-in-the-world-dead-at-124/
http://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2021/11/22/francisca-susano-dies-124-years-old.html Icecracker ( talk) 15:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Only very old people from Western countries are allowed to be included in the list.Peaceray ( talk) 15:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Should Ina Okazawa be listed on here? She's not verified by GRG. GermanShepherd1983 ( talk) 02:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
I think we should form a new group of editors for longevity pages the previous group isnt even active in the area anymore and when they were I see a startling agression towards articles of the subject "they were interesting in editing in" Wwew345t ( talk) 17:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Please protect this page the grg corresponds for Romania has intentionally switched his age so he is a few days older and the 3rd oldest man there is already proof that this is false as he was born on the 10th of june the grg socure is not reliable Wwew345t ( talk) 13:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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This section (Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973) is missing the most recent (current) entry. Wouldn't that be the same guy who is listed as Rank #1 in this section (Oldest living men) ... Saturnino de la Fuente? Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 03:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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This is ridiculous. And some editor is accusing me of edit warring. The introduction to the article says Since the death of 111-year-old Dumitru Comănescu of Romania on 27 June 2020, fellow 111-year-old Saturnino de la Fuente of Spain, born 8 February 1909, is the world's oldest known living man. Then -- at the bottom of the article -- there is a table entitled "Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973". And it states: This table lists the sequence of the world's oldest known living men from 1973 to present. However, the table "stops" at May 28, 2020, with Robert Weighton. (So, that is not "up until the present"). I tried adding in the names of the oldest men after May 28, 2020. And some editor keeps removing it. And then accuses me of edit-wars. The very same information is listed at the top of the article. Why can't the same exact information also be listed at the bottom of the article? The editor's edit summary says Table is Only for men identified as WOM by GWR. Removing original research and will give editor a warning. First of all, it's not OR by me. It is sourced by RS's who the oldest man is. Second of all, the same exact info is listed in the intro/lead of the article. It can be listed at the top of the article, but not at the bottom? Third of all, where is this "rule" listed that the chart can only come from GWR citations? The Chart does not say that at all ... or am I missing something? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 03:51, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
According to some editor above ... we have one criteria to list someone as the "oldest man" at the top of the article. And a totally different criteria to list someone as the "oldest man" at the bottom of the article. First of all, how does this make any sense to anybody? Second, where is this "rule" coming from? Third, isn't the intro paragraph (of any article) supposed to be a summation of the below content? Fourth, how does the "every day / average" reader know any of this, without thinking that the article is contradictory / inconsistent? This encyclopedia is to serve its readers, I thought. Not some arbitrary rules that are somehow supposed to be "magically known" to the readers. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 18:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
The footnote that the dispute about Calment's age "has not been formally resolved" is naive and irrelevant. A similar statemeent is made in the introduction. Science advances by accumulating evidence and not by formal resolution. Furthermore, there is no body that could "formally resolve" the dispute. The dispute is covered at length in the Wikipedia article on Calment. The entire Calment article is linked here, but it might be helpful to link the section "Skepticism regarding age" in the Calment article when discussing the disputed evidence. C Lewison ( talk) 20:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
The disputed research is given undue weight, and is contradictory of an earlier sentence in stating "More evidence of Calment's lifespan has been produced than for any other supercentenarian, such that her case serves as an archetype in the methodology for verifying the ages of the world's oldest people." Archetype cases are by definition beyond reasonable dispute.
In 1955, given continued unbelievable extreme age claims, Norris and Ross McWhirter, the editors of the Guinness Book of World Records, noted the need to validate with sufficient records the “world's oldest person.” In 1986, Norris stated: “No single subject is more obscured by vanity, deceit, falsehood and deliberate fraud than the extremes of human longevity”
However, no case is immune from all possible disputes. The question is whether the alleged dispute has sufficient weight to sufficiently call into question the validity of the supposed verified status of Calment's lifespan. Given the lack of follow-up to the dispute, and long-standing acceptance of Calment's case as verified, this case should not be considered disputed to the level of calling the verified status into question. Scott Nokes 01:15, 19 July 2020 (UTC) [1]
Why is the only dispute mentioned in the footnotes the one against Calment? Lucy Hannah and Nabi Tajima have also been disputed. Also the same researchers who dispute Calment (Valery Novoselov and Nikolay Zak) also dispute Sarah Knauss. Either mention all of the disputes or none of them in the footnotes. There should be consistency here. Quagga1883 ( talk) 19:59, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Should we add a timeline graph for how long people have been the oldest person? If so, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C48:427F:F84E:9592:A4D6:697E:CD64 ( talk) 23:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
The same researchers (Novoselov and Zak) who dispute Calment's age also dispute Sarah Knauss. Wouldn't that make Kane Tanaka the undisputed oldest person ever? There should be consistency here, if you are taking disputes by Novoselov and Zak seriously. Either mention both Calment and Knauss as disputed, or don't mention the dispute at all.
This newspaper article speaks of two Jamaicans with super longevity claims (115 and 117) that are not listed in the wikipedia article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.143.93.72 ( talk) 06:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
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8th oldest living woman (Katerina Karnarou, Greece) died 28-Oct-2020 https://www.cnn.gr/ellada/story/240453/krestena-pethane-se-ilikia-115-eton-i-giraioteri-ellinida 178.147.12.212 ( talk) 14:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
"Oldest living people" list the unverified cases as true. Statistics show that an high percentage of unverified cases are false. Please, the cases of Julia Amélia from Conceição, Antônia Santa Cruz and Noeme da Silveira Freitas must be removed. Their age is uncertain. The more relieble source is the world supercentenarians ranking list, by Gerontology Research Group.-- Enzo Encius 08:15, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Should we add a timeline graph for how long people have been the oldest person? I really want one. If so, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40A:8480:1750:ACBE:EAFD:7626:3AFC ( talk) 03:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
I can do it we are doing it since 1945
ok then sorry derby I am a idiot I just found them in Wikipedia but Shigechiyo Izumi was regoniced by genius world records until 2013. Gpshshdhe ( talk) 17:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
you are a furry Gpshshdhe ( talk) 17:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Our table Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973 is largely based on the GRG's Table M, but this has not been update since April 2018 so it has been completed using more recent sources. Prior to my recent edit, Gerneth was omitted, despite the fact that he is already included and referenced in our table Oldest men. Men who later became "the oldest man" (Watanabe, Weighton) had already been added to the list (even though they are not in Table M, because it is out of date). My addition of Gerneth was reverted on the basis of his absence of Table M. This does not seem logical. I've been bold and readded him, please consider all this carefully before reverting again. Ordinary Person ( talk) 04:41, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
This list is missing the current record holder. The oldest living man is Saturnino de la Fuente. Before that it was Dumitru Comănescu. And before that, it was Robert Weighton, who is the last person on the list. Can Dumitru and Saturnino not be added? TrottieTrue ( talk) 20:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
According to this article: https://www.larepublica.net/noticia/el-tico-mas-longevo-de-costa-rica-ya-fue-vacunado-contra-el-covid-19?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR12Qdy8E-d4aEiq1p9TwwjqCIGk1BifAotV3fz5PknqaoH2T0-2OcNNPW4#Echobox=1611075446 the oldest Costa Rican was just vaccinated, at 120 years old. This would put him as the longest living person at the moment (according to Wikipedia). I later confirmed this at the Costa Rican National Registry ( https://www.consulta.tse.go.cr/consulta_persona/consulta_nombres.aspx) where it confirms that he is 120 and still alive. It would be nice to update the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.134.115.7 ( talk) 08:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
I have had a curious question floating around my head for a while. I didn't know where to bring it up, if at all. It could be of relavance to oldest people, oldest animals, or many other records and things. When counting how old a person is (or anything else for that matter) especially in regards to world records, is any thought, consideration or explanation given to leap days, depending on which year someone was born and died, and time of year, could effect how many leap days they have lived through or missed, and would in effect make them a day or two older than you think, which might not matter if the world records are separated by months, but might matter if they are only separated by a few days. What I mean is, if two people born in 1904 died on their 123rd birthday in 2027. If one was born on 15th Jan 1904 they would live through the leap day of that year, but if the second person was born 15th March 1904 they would not live through the leap day of that year. So if both people died on their 123rd birthday, the one born in Jan would be one day older than the one born in March. When I gave this a little more thought than I should, due to missing leap days every 3 out of 4 centuries, an extreme version I could think of was... A person born on 15 June 2096 and dying on 15 June 2219 on their 123rd birthday would have lived through 28 leap days (missed the 2096, 2100 doesn't have one...so..2104, 2108, 2112, 2116, 2120, 2124, 2128, 2132, 2136, 2140, 2144, 2148, 2152, 2156, 2160, 2164, 2168, 2172, 2176, 2180, 2184, 2188, 2192, 2196, not in 2200, 2204, 2208, 2212, 2216). Another person born on 15 June 1947 and dying on 15 June 2070 on their 123rd birthday would have lived through 31 leap days. (1948, 1952, 1956, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036, 2040, 2044, 2048, 2052, 2056, 2060, 2066, 2070) Ignoring hours, counting only years and days, both people at first glance would appear to be exactly the same age at death, when in reality one would actually be 3 days older than the other. I am aware this was an extreme example in the future but even examples near the present could alter age by one or two days. It could hypothetically happen that one person died on their 123rd birthday, and another person died one day after their 123rd birthday and is classed as having the record by one day, but the one who died on their 123rd birthday could actually be the oldest by one day in reality. I did a very quick Google search and could not find any mention of this skim reading the results.
I know my explanation was a bit lengthy, is this ever considered or mentioned, it could hypothetically matter one day if the oldest people are ever only separated by a small number of days? (Maybe they should start counting leap days as days also, or just count age in days?? Maybe not, but I think leap days should be acknowledged as making a small but not insignificant difference.)
(I was also considering country of birth and death, if one was born in New Zealand and died in Hawaii, and another was born in Hawaii and died in New Zealand, on different sides of the international date line, it could make them appear older or younger by one day than they are also. One could also argue the time of birth and death. One born just before midnight and dying just after midnight, could appear a day older than someone else born just after midnight and dying just before midnight, when they may not actually be. But that's another headache.)
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Phillip Sharp is deceased as of 2 March 2021. I am waiting for a proper obituary to remove him. TFBCT1 ( talk) 15:34, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
The source for Marcel Meys seems to be more than one year old. Are there any recent sources confirming that he is alive? I have found a new source for Lawrence Brooks: https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/09/12/oldest-living-wwii-veteran-celebrates-111th-birthday/ Does it count as reliable? 93.99.12.251 ( talk) 19:28, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
For Marcel Meys, there is this source dating from 2021-02-11: [2] Fondouce ( talk) 08:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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I encountered some grg.org links that do not work anymore, such as https://www.grg.org/Adams/C.HTM & https://www.grg.org/Adams/M.HTM
I am busy on other matters. Would someone kindly go through the grg.org links & update them? I know this one works, for instance:
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Newshunter12 decided to revert my change with a new source for Marcel Meyes because one of the sources of the article I found wasn't up to Wikipedia's standart according to him. SO he questionned the source of the source! It's a shame he didn't 1- ask me for explanation ans advise before doing it 2- realise that the main source is the INSEE which is the National Statistics Institute of France, a source a lot more reliable than a newspaper article.
At the same time, I corrected a link to another newspaper (the title is "le dauphiné" and not le dauphin. Could he explain why he reverted this change as well even if it's clearly wrong?-- Fondouce ( talk) 18:02, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
What is suprising is that the majority of the other sources don't event mention their sources! Why making an exception for this article and this person? He will be 112 soon, it would be more logical to wait a few months before removing it! About the "mess", I added a link and corrected another one. If you call that a mess, what do people call the numerous changes you make all the time?-- Fondouce ( talk) 19:51, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Why does the list of oldest living men to the present end with someone who died in 2020? Obviously it is not to the present, as the currently oldest man is not listed. WordwizardW ( talk) 14:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
"My edit of the article should not have been reverted". Good point! While we can thank regular contributors on this page, I think it's time to remind some of them that they don't own the page! It doesn't make sense that the last person on this list died 1 or 2 years ago! If somone try to resolve the matter, one could use this talk-page before reverting their work!--Phil of Bristol 21:43, 30 April 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil of Bristol ( talk • contribs)
@DerbyCountyinNZ, I was under the ilpression that WordwizardW was speaking of Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973 which is not updated. Am I right, @WordwizardW? talk--Phil of Bristol 08:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I saw an article that identified Hester Ford as 115 or 116 at the time of her death in April 2021. I did not see her on the list. I included the article I read about her below.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article250764259.html 76.206.3.128 ( talk) 21:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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Change the oldest person alive from Jeanne Calment to Rehtee Begum of India. She is 124 years old and is still alive and lives in Jammu and Kashmir in Baramulla district. Please look and the news report on the following youtube link of the news channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeaWaU4N0aE Madhur1991 ( talk) 15:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
https://www.publico.pt/2021/06/30/impar/noticia/morreu-albano-andrade-metade-dupla-irmaos-velhos-mundo-1968621 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.114.62.190 ( talk) 19:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
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May I edit this article Jobzaiay13 ( talk) 04:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
To the Chronological list of the oldest living man since 1973, adjusting for time zones, please add Gustave Gerneth (source: see Oldest men list on this page), after M. Nonaka and before C. Watanabe. Afterward, please adjust C. Watanabe's data in his list entry. Thanks. Piecesnpawns ( talk) 14:28, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Gustav Gerneth was never verified and should not be included in this list. 172.85.33.146 ( talk) 20:26, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, @ Legoshi02. I hope you are doing well. There are a couple of Japanese cases that could potentially be added to this article's "Oldest living men" section if sourcing were located. Shirō Moriyama of Hokkaidō Prefecture (born 6 March 1911) and Tetsuo Shinya of Kagoshima Prefecture (born March 27 1911). This appears to be a source for Shirō Moriyama, but I am unable to access the whole source. Any help you can provide would be much appreciated. Sincerely, Newshunter12 ( talk) 23:45, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Why isn't there a subsection titled "Oldest living women"? It is a bit confusing at first to understand the list when its titles include only "Oldest living people" and "Oldest living men". -¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 16:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
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2601:140:8D80:6B50:A185:CA4:A10B:A422 ( talk) 04:38, 2 March 2022 (UTC) For Antonio Urrea Hernandez can you change the date cause he was born in February 18 and 270 Days.
Is it possible to consider Jeanne Calment as disputed? I think Calment shall be considered as disputed - and Sarah Knauss as the oldest person in history - as long as no DNA or blood test has been made!
I don't think the Calment dispute is solved yet. Nikolay Zak considers that a DNA or blood test is required to prove if the person who died in 1997 really was 122-year-old Jeanne or her daughter Yvonne who is claimed to have died young of pneumonia but actually may have usurped her mother's identity and claimed to be her own mother. There is reason to dispute the case of Calment and do a DNA or blood test to prove her claimed age, especially because it is very unlikely or perhaps even impossible for a human to live to that great age!~
Something notable is that if excluding both Calment and Lucy Hannah (who also is debunked nowadays), there was at least one man among the ten oldest in history until January 22, 2016, when Jiroemon Kimura was beaten as the 10th oldest in history by Emma Morano; when Kimura became the oldest man in history, there were even TWO men among the ten oldest ever:
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Remove Ja Hyung Lee from the list of living men because his source is more than 1 year old. 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 10:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
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04:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)We're about to run into an interesting issue related to the slightly uneven distribution of leap years. Because Sarah Knauss was born so soon after Leap Day 1880 and died so soon before Leap Day 2000, and because 1900 wasn't a leap year, her 119+ years of life included only 28 leap days. Kane Tanaka, on the other hand, has already lived through 30 leap days. This means that the "119 years" part of Tanaka's listed age is actually two days longer than the "119 years" part of Knauss's listed age. As a result, 26 days from now, Tanaka will appear below Knauss on the list despite having actually lived for more time than Knauss. Oooooooseven ( talk) 22:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please change "Goncalino Norberto" to "Gonçalino Norberto" with a cedilla. There is a cedilla in the source. 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 15:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
I doubt there are Indians who lived long lives, but none of the verifying organisations has had a chance i guess. 103.170.226.54 ( talk) 20:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I can understand sir, but your comment alone, on it's own, has no value if it's not for any proof. Kichawww ( talk) 19:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
These are all pointless. He will never meet the requirements for inclusion in this article. He is in Longevity claims where he belongs. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 20:58, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
@ 157.45.140.58: [Personal attack removed] his age is derived from obscure temple documents and someone without any verification such as birth certificate or hospital details. He obtained passport and Aadhar based on that. Unverifiable claims are not used here. Almost all news articles you mentioned copy pastes stuff from each other ChandlerMinh ( talk) 18:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
The Guiness source for Juan Vicente Pérez Mora does not seem to say anything about Juan Vicente Pérez Mora. Should it be removed or should we wait until something appears there? 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 14:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Kane Tanaka had died, so take her off green 71.179.12.214 ( talk) 06:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
UK Supercentenarian and marathon runner Fauja Singh (DOB 1 April 1911) is now old enough to be #7 on the oldest men list, but isn't included. Is his birthdate not credibly verified? The article states: "Guinness World Records refused to include Singh in its record book because he could not produce his birth certificate to prove his age. Birth records were not kept in India in 1911. He was however able to produce a passport listing his date of birth as 1 April 1911, and a letter from Queen Elizabeth II congratulating him on his 100th birthday." Ryan Reeder ( talk) 20:42, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I think that Lucile Randon needs a source for this list because GRG has not updated the Table C used for other people on this list. 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 06:24, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
If we're including unvalidated male case Gustav Gerneth on the oldest men ever list, how about also including Horacio Celi Mendoza (1897-2011) and Tomás Pinales Figuereo (1906-2020), both of whom are at least pending according to this organization that verifies Latin American supercentenarians?
https://www.supercentenarios.net/las-personas-m%C3%A1s-longevas
Both of these men are older than Gustav Gerneth anyway. 68.4.99.100 ( talk) 07:31, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
What are the rules for accepting people to this list? Somebody has added Gustav Gerneth to the list without discussion. Should he be kept or removed? 93.99.12.254 ( talk) 08:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
André Boite deceased [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:a790:600:6931:accd:fc64:8d2b ( talk) 20:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Based on consensus spelled out here on the "List of the Oldest Living People" talk page, since all credible outside sources for Maria Branyas Morera cited use "Branyas" and not "Brañas," it should be spelled "Branyas" here too. I am mentioning this here, since there has been many reverts there on this issue, and I anticipate it potentially happening here too. Damiel ( talk) 17:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Padma Shri Swami Sivananda From india 126 years old 45.114.248.211 ( talk) 08:26, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
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You realize that a indigous person in Alaska lived until 119 recently. 2603:80A0:1100:2662:DCF0:2499:8D5D:49A2 ( talk) 16:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Case 1: Sheikh Edebali (1206-1326) Special case, he died before any gerontology-based research group was invented, but 1. scholar of Islam, Islamic scholars usually live for a long time.
Any other opinions? 202.84.42.187 ( talk) 10:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
A woman named Louise Godejohann has recently been validated by LongeviQuest, and takes the place of Marie Olsen in the 'Chronological list of the oldest known living person since 1955".
From (7 October 1959)
Duration (267 days)
Name (Louise Godejohann)
Sex (F)
Age(s) when oldest (109-110)
Lifespan (31 December 1849 - 30 June 1960 -- 110 years, 182 days)
Country of death or residence (United States) Zackylmfao229 ( talk) 20:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
THE OLDEST MAN IN THE WORLD FROM KENYA NYERI COUNTY. Julius Wanyondu Gatonga, a 136-year-old grandfather from Mukurweini, Nyeri. The oldest man in the currently is from NYERI in kenya. Please find to follow this and get to know him. His National ID indicates that he was born in 1884 with the month and exact day not indicated due to lack of proper documentation during the time. https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/56836-nyeris-136-year-old-man-shares-secret-long-life-video?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=DK&utm_campaign=Promotion 102.212.236.183 ( talk) 21:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Would anyone here support the addition of Domingo Villa Avisencio (MEX, 1906-2019) to the WOLM list for the time being? Among currently validated males, he would have succeeded Masazo Nonaka and preceded Chitetsu Watanabe. I know he isn't GWR certified but he is fully validated by LAS (unlike Gerneth who isn't validated at all; Celi and Pinales are pending right now so I would support their re-addition once fully validated). I noticed an LQ-validated SC was recently added to the WOLP list (Ana Nogueira de Luca) which is why I ask this question. OrchestralHuman ( talk) 19:23, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
The asterisk character, '*', is used twice, without explanation, in the article. A Ctrl + f search will help you find the asterisks. 2600:4040:5208:C300:990E:3206:9B0A:BF89 ( talk) 13:19, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
I am not sure Guinness World Records counts as experts in gerontology research as described in the lead. Saikyoryu ( talk) 16:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
the next oldest living man outside the top ten who is validated is primo olivieri (7 March 1914) should another man on the list die should we put Mr olivieri on the list? (perhaps as a placeholder) Wwew345t ( talk) 03:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Liked to be 121 but can't find much information… what should I do? V.B.Speranza ( talk) 13:16, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_oldest_living_men_in_the_United_States 68.225.232.234 ( talk) 11:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
When in question are living verified cases that have been given the status "Pending", they should be included in the list of living people. Below is a small explanation between verification and validation, age verification can be done by independent organizations, while validation can only be done by a scientific organization or GRG, therefore it should be include all LQ verified cases, GRG verified cases (better known as Pending) and GRG validated cases.
Verification and validation (also abbreviated as V&V) are independent procedures that are used together for checking that a product, service, or system meets requirements and specifications and that it fulfills its intended purpose. These are critical components of a quality management system such as ISO 9000. The words "verification" and "validation" are sometimes preceded with "independent", indicating that the verification and validation is to be performed by a disinterested third party. "Independent verification and validation" can be abbreviated as "IV&V". In practice, as quality management terms, the definitions of verification and validation can be inconsistent. Sometimes they are even used interchangeably.
However, the PMBOK guide, a standard adopted by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), defines them as follows in its 4th edition:
When it comes to supercentenarians...
"Verification" would include things such as checking whether the documents exist to prove/disprove the case and making the report. "Validation" includes Approving the Report and incorporating the case into the database.
Source: Gerontology Research Group on WSF ( LINK)
Дејан2021 ( talk) 08:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Pending cases – cases with partial or complete documentation suggesting the age claim may be validatable in the future.As such:
To avoid including false or unconfirmed claims of old age, names here are restricted to those people whose ages have been validated by an international body dealing in longevity research[.]Softmist ( talk) 09:16, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Name is Francisca Susano, born Sept. 11, 1897 and died on Nov 22, 2021, lived up to 124 years
You've got to update this page as it is not accurate anymore.
https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Francisca_Susano
https://nypost.com/2021/11/24/francisca-susano-oldest-woman-in-the-world-dead-at-124/
http://www.cnnphilippines.com/news/2021/11/22/francisca-susano-dies-124-years-old.html Icecracker ( talk) 15:37, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Only very old people from Western countries are allowed to be included in the list.Peaceray ( talk) 15:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Should Ina Okazawa be listed on here? She's not verified by GRG. GermanShepherd1983 ( talk) 02:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
I think we should form a new group of editors for longevity pages the previous group isnt even active in the area anymore and when they were I see a startling agression towards articles of the subject "they were interesting in editing in" Wwew345t ( talk) 17:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Please protect this page the grg corresponds for Romania has intentionally switched his age so he is a few days older and the 3rd oldest man there is already proof that this is false as he was born on the 10th of june the grg socure is not reliable Wwew345t ( talk) 13:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)