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Eventually, the article needs to have English language sources added to the references. As explained at Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources: "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance."
It's natural that all of our initial refs are in Portuguese because of starting out as a translation. But moving forward, we should be adding refs from reliable sources in English in addition to the existing Portuguese ones. There is no shortage of good English sources: Reuters, BBC, other mainstream English media, and English-language services of Brazilian media all have articles about OCW.
If you happen to come across a reliable English source but don't have time to create a proper ref tag, either just dump it here on the Talk page and we'll add it later, or even better, just create a WP:BAREURL ref (<ref>some-url</ref>) in the article, and it can be dealt with semi-automatically ( WP:REFILL). Mathglot ( talk) 20:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
This list does not include the book I was thinking of, but I will add that later. As far as I know the above meet RS standards; I have not screened for length, content or political slant. But if someone wants to help but can't read Portuguese it would be helpful to weave information from the above into the artticle imho. If we have Portuguese speakers working on translation I may do some of that as well, as I can read Portuguese, but only with an effort and many uncertainties. I *am* finding that English-language sources do not always use the Operation names, which is an issue given the article's current structure, but it should be possible to match the information up nonetheless. Elinruby ( talk) 21:51, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
PPS The name of the book I was thinking of is The Mechanism. The first name of the author is Vladimir and he is in fact a Brazilian reporter. I misplaced the link again, but three early chapters are on Google Books, and I am fairly certain I have already cited it in this draft if it helps. Oh and Btw they are making a movie from it. Elinruby ( talk) 01:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
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Found these here Elinruby ( talk) 23:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
The article is getting close to fully translated, although there is still plenty to do as far as clean-up, consistency across sections, and other maintenance tasks. I've created a to do list to help organize remaining tasks, which you can pull down from the Header at the top of this page. Please feel free to edit it. Mathglot ( talk) 11:28, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Elinruby, section Operation C'est fini is marked {{ under construction}}; is this one of yours? I'm removing the big fat box it generates for now, since I want to release the article to Mainspace, but if it needs some specific overhaul, could you add appropriate targeted tags, as needed, or just update the to do list, if you prefer?
Also, there are a number of {{ clarify}} templates in that section, but they are not explained. Can you bring any questions with that section needing clarification here to this discussion, so we can discusys it? Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 09:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Portuguese wiki has an article called pt:Operação Furna da Onça which is listed as an "offshoot" in the third sentence of the lead: "A ação, que foi um desdobramento da Operação Lava Jato no estado do Rio de Janeiro...". More to the point, their reliable source identified in note 1 says that it is an offshoot. However, it is not included in the Desdobramentos article, which is why it didn't get translated in the original translation effort of the article. Operation Furna da Onça ("Jaguar's Den") should be included here. As the article explains, the title comes from the name of a conference room at the Legislative Assembly of Rio de Janeiro, as listed in their note 4. Mathglot ( talk) 20:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I propose that the article be split based on size considerations, to move section Offshoots of Operation Car Wash#Abroad out into its own article, to be entitled, "Offshoots of Operation Car Wash outside Brazil" (currently a redirect).
The article currently has 66,876 bytes of readable prose (178kb of wiki markup). This puts it into "Probably should be divided" territory, according to the table at WP:SIZERULE. It would be a very natural split, since pt-wiki already has them separated into two articles ( pt:Desdobramentos da Operação Lava Jato, and pt:Desdobramentos da Operação Lava Jato fora do Brasil), where the second one corresponds exactly to the proposed new page, to be split from this one.
The split would also permit the offshoots abroad to be expanded; as it is, each country has just a sentence or two. This would leave more leeway for expansion of the spinoff operations abroad. Mathglot ( talk) 21:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
This article is unlikely to be "read from top to bottom" but rather examined for information about particular operations. As such, it is analogous to a list or glossary article. Although MOS:DUPLINK doesn't cover this case exactly, because of the length of the article, the numerous short sections, and the general unfamiliarity with much of the material relating to Brazilian politics, economics, and criminal law, it promotes clarity and transparency to link certain terms the first time they come up in a given section, regardless how many times it was linked in earlier sections. To fail to do so, would be a disservice to the reader. Mathglot ( talk) 00:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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Eventually, the article needs to have English language sources added to the references. As explained at Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources: "Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance."
It's natural that all of our initial refs are in Portuguese because of starting out as a translation. But moving forward, we should be adding refs from reliable sources in English in addition to the existing Portuguese ones. There is no shortage of good English sources: Reuters, BBC, other mainstream English media, and English-language services of Brazilian media all have articles about OCW.
If you happen to come across a reliable English source but don't have time to create a proper ref tag, either just dump it here on the Talk page and we'll add it later, or even better, just create a WP:BAREURL ref (<ref>some-url</ref>) in the article, and it can be dealt with semi-automatically ( WP:REFILL). Mathglot ( talk) 20:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
This list does not include the book I was thinking of, but I will add that later. As far as I know the above meet RS standards; I have not screened for length, content or political slant. But if someone wants to help but can't read Portuguese it would be helpful to weave information from the above into the artticle imho. If we have Portuguese speakers working on translation I may do some of that as well, as I can read Portuguese, but only with an effort and many uncertainties. I *am* finding that English-language sources do not always use the Operation names, which is an issue given the article's current structure, but it should be possible to match the information up nonetheless. Elinruby ( talk) 21:51, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
PPS The name of the book I was thinking of is The Mechanism. The first name of the author is Vladimir and he is in fact a Brazilian reporter. I misplaced the link again, but three early chapters are on Google Books, and I am fairly certain I have already cited it in this draft if it helps. Oh and Btw they are making a movie from it. Elinruby ( talk) 01:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
References
Found these here Elinruby ( talk) 23:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
The article is getting close to fully translated, although there is still plenty to do as far as clean-up, consistency across sections, and other maintenance tasks. I've created a to do list to help organize remaining tasks, which you can pull down from the Header at the top of this page. Please feel free to edit it. Mathglot ( talk) 11:28, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Elinruby, section Operation C'est fini is marked {{ under construction}}; is this one of yours? I'm removing the big fat box it generates for now, since I want to release the article to Mainspace, but if it needs some specific overhaul, could you add appropriate targeted tags, as needed, or just update the to do list, if you prefer?
Also, there are a number of {{ clarify}} templates in that section, but they are not explained. Can you bring any questions with that section needing clarification here to this discussion, so we can discusys it? Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 09:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Portuguese wiki has an article called pt:Operação Furna da Onça which is listed as an "offshoot" in the third sentence of the lead: "A ação, que foi um desdobramento da Operação Lava Jato no estado do Rio de Janeiro...". More to the point, their reliable source identified in note 1 says that it is an offshoot. However, it is not included in the Desdobramentos article, which is why it didn't get translated in the original translation effort of the article. Operation Furna da Onça ("Jaguar's Den") should be included here. As the article explains, the title comes from the name of a conference room at the Legislative Assembly of Rio de Janeiro, as listed in their note 4. Mathglot ( talk) 20:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I propose that the article be split based on size considerations, to move section Offshoots of Operation Car Wash#Abroad out into its own article, to be entitled, "Offshoots of Operation Car Wash outside Brazil" (currently a redirect).
The article currently has 66,876 bytes of readable prose (178kb of wiki markup). This puts it into "Probably should be divided" territory, according to the table at WP:SIZERULE. It would be a very natural split, since pt-wiki already has them separated into two articles ( pt:Desdobramentos da Operação Lava Jato, and pt:Desdobramentos da Operação Lava Jato fora do Brasil), where the second one corresponds exactly to the proposed new page, to be split from this one.
The split would also permit the offshoots abroad to be expanded; as it is, each country has just a sentence or two. This would leave more leeway for expansion of the spinoff operations abroad. Mathglot ( talk) 21:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
This article is unlikely to be "read from top to bottom" but rather examined for information about particular operations. As such, it is analogous to a list or glossary article. Although MOS:DUPLINK doesn't cover this case exactly, because of the length of the article, the numerous short sections, and the general unfamiliarity with much of the material relating to Brazilian politics, economics, and criminal law, it promotes clarity and transparency to link certain terms the first time they come up in a given section, regardless how many times it was linked in earlier sections. To fail to do so, would be a disservice to the reader. Mathglot ( talk) 00:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)