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The Odinist Fellowship stub is complete nonsense as is almost everything that is written below.
The organisation known as the Odinic Rite is still very much in existence.
The UK Odinist Fellowship is in no way connected to that of Else Christensen. It was founded by people who were expelled from the Odinic Rite and and then failed to set up a rival OR group. They asked Else Christensen for permission to use the name Odinist Fellowship and she flatly refused. Surely if they had been in any way connected it would have been they who took responsibility for Else Christensen's funerary arrangements and memorial. In fact this task was carried out by the Odinic Rite and at Else's request were also given responsibility for dealing with all of her affairs and her library. 1 2
It was also the Odinic Rite which was the first polytheistic pagan organisation in the UK to be granted charity status and it is highly likely that the charity number granted to the OR is still being used by the bogus Odinist fellowship.
I would also dispute the claim that the Odinist Fellowship are the largest Odinist group in the UK. On what is this assertion based? Hengest
I just checked the charity commision website The Odinist Fellowship is a registered charity the number is 298688 it clearly states that the Odinist Fellowship is a registered charity. the virtue of Truth seems to be intact!!! check it for yourselves http://www.charity-commision.gov.uk 89.243.169.161 ( talk) 22:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I am posting this link to show that the OF's registered charity number was formerly that of the OR, a registered arity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/showcharity.asp?regno=298688&submit=Run+Search Charity Commission When Ralph Harrison (also known as Ingvar) was expelled from the OR he transferred the number to the OF. An anonymous user is trying to delete this fact. Hengest
I have stated in the article that the UK group sought permission from Else Christenssen to use the OF name and that permission was denied. This is based upon information provided by two close friends of Else, Heimgest of the Odinic Rite and Vidarsword, Else's close companion until her death. Hengest
Can those monitoring this entry please be vigilant against the attempts at vandalism by Ralph Harrison, leader of the UK Odinist Fellowship. It seems he wants to brush away the past and any mention of Else Christianssen's original OF. -- Hengest 17:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
By Odin, will someone purge the hearsay and nastiness from this article?
I have been on the Odinic Rite and Odinist Fellowship mailing lists for years. I also received the American Odinist Fellowship material when it was still being published.
For the record, the Odinist Fellowship newsletter is called "Round Robin." The postal address is B.M. Edda, London, WC1N 3XX. UK.
The British Odinist Fellowship group discusses interesting Odinist matters in an informed matter. I have known them to make any negative comments about the Odinic Rite or its membership.
I met Ralph Harrison on one occasion--about 12 years ago--when I was in London (I am American). We had a delightful three-hour dinner, and I remembering peppering him with questions about the Odinic Rite split. He avoided negative remarks, and he was always the gentlemen.
John Yeowell was supposed top attend the same dinner. but unfortunately he was ill at the time.
Be that as it may, the following changes must be made to the entry:
1) Remove the ridiculous claim that someone asked Elsie for "permission." Copyright is for Coca Cola and Mickey Mouse. Are Americans pirates because they copied Asatru from the Icelandic pagans? No!
2) Remove all the nonsense about Harrison being "expelled." Technically, Martin Luther was excommunicated by the Catholics, but is that significant?
3. Simply discuss the Odinist Fellowship. References to the Odinic Rite do not belong here. -- Tsmollet 23:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps I should clarify my terms. Technically, we should argue there was a schism. For a time, both groups claimed the name "Odinic Rite." Then one of the groups chose a different name.
The issue of who is right or wrong in the hallowed halls of Odinism is unimportant. What we need are two clear and factual articles about 1) the current Odinist Fellowship and 2) the American branch.
As for the copyright statement, I think I was right on that one. No one owns these names.... The Christian group called the Plymouth Brethren in England is not connected to the group called the Plymouth Brethren in America.
But again, who cares? -- Tsmollet 02:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Another question. Is Hengest actually Heimgest? If you are Heimgest, you have done a great deal for Odinism, but you would be rather biased in this debate.
If you are Heimgest, do you know you have never answered my mail? -- Tsmollet 02:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
If it is any help to anyone, the OF UK mailing list is to 'B.M. Edda, London WC1N 3XX' (fake Odinist Fellowship) as discussed above about the 'BCM Runic, London, WC1N 3XX' (Real Odinic Rite) box but it might be of interest that the EDDA PO Box is registered to [1] '[a place in] [confidential home address deleted], GB - who lives there? It might be of interest that this website domain is registered to 'UK Registered Charity, (Charity number: 298688)' FK0071a 16:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
RalphHarrison doesn't make his case very eloquently by silently blanking paragraphs. However, FK0071a (and Hengest), if he would argue that he is simply removing uncited information, his edits couldn't be construed as vandalism, and it would be up to you, per Template talk:Unreferenced, to provide sources for the material you want to keep. I have no reason to doubt the material is factual, but that's still the way we play. dab (ᛏ) 09:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
If the editor is Mr. Harrison, I remind you that he is a new user! That would explain the stealthiness. -- Tsmollet 21:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Well it seems to me that such drama and sniping should be left on one another's respective member's lists and not resolved on wikipedia. Looking over the section, all it does is offer he said/she said unverified and unsourced commentary. Even if the issue of OR briefing was available online as a source, it would still be partisan. If the petty soap opera section goes back up, it needs to be sourced. WeniWidiWiki 17:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Wiki Pagan, a wikia wiki, is trying to be as comprehensive as possible. I have just saved the Heimgest article from oblivion. Are ther ay others that wikipedia recently dumped? Please mention on my talk page--or--better yet--edit at Wiki Pagan http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/Heimgest
--
Mig-17 02:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The American and the British organizations are completely separate and do not belong in the same article. If there is too little material on any of them to warrant an article of its own, the material should rather be merged into another article (such as Heathenry in the United States or Heathenry in the United Kingdom), instead of having two unrelated organization sharing one article, only because they have the same name. Ffranc ( talk) 14:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
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The Odinist Fellowship stub is complete nonsense as is almost everything that is written below.
The organisation known as the Odinic Rite is still very much in existence.
The UK Odinist Fellowship is in no way connected to that of Else Christensen. It was founded by people who were expelled from the Odinic Rite and and then failed to set up a rival OR group. They asked Else Christensen for permission to use the name Odinist Fellowship and she flatly refused. Surely if they had been in any way connected it would have been they who took responsibility for Else Christensen's funerary arrangements and memorial. In fact this task was carried out by the Odinic Rite and at Else's request were also given responsibility for dealing with all of her affairs and her library. 1 2
It was also the Odinic Rite which was the first polytheistic pagan organisation in the UK to be granted charity status and it is highly likely that the charity number granted to the OR is still being used by the bogus Odinist fellowship.
I would also dispute the claim that the Odinist Fellowship are the largest Odinist group in the UK. On what is this assertion based? Hengest
I just checked the charity commision website The Odinist Fellowship is a registered charity the number is 298688 it clearly states that the Odinist Fellowship is a registered charity. the virtue of Truth seems to be intact!!! check it for yourselves http://www.charity-commision.gov.uk 89.243.169.161 ( talk) 22:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I am posting this link to show that the OF's registered charity number was formerly that of the OR, a registered arity-commission.gov.uk/registeredcharities/showcharity.asp?regno=298688&submit=Run+Search Charity Commission When Ralph Harrison (also known as Ingvar) was expelled from the OR he transferred the number to the OF. An anonymous user is trying to delete this fact. Hengest
I have stated in the article that the UK group sought permission from Else Christenssen to use the OF name and that permission was denied. This is based upon information provided by two close friends of Else, Heimgest of the Odinic Rite and Vidarsword, Else's close companion until her death. Hengest
Can those monitoring this entry please be vigilant against the attempts at vandalism by Ralph Harrison, leader of the UK Odinist Fellowship. It seems he wants to brush away the past and any mention of Else Christianssen's original OF. -- Hengest 17:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
By Odin, will someone purge the hearsay and nastiness from this article?
I have been on the Odinic Rite and Odinist Fellowship mailing lists for years. I also received the American Odinist Fellowship material when it was still being published.
For the record, the Odinist Fellowship newsletter is called "Round Robin." The postal address is B.M. Edda, London, WC1N 3XX. UK.
The British Odinist Fellowship group discusses interesting Odinist matters in an informed matter. I have known them to make any negative comments about the Odinic Rite or its membership.
I met Ralph Harrison on one occasion--about 12 years ago--when I was in London (I am American). We had a delightful three-hour dinner, and I remembering peppering him with questions about the Odinic Rite split. He avoided negative remarks, and he was always the gentlemen.
John Yeowell was supposed top attend the same dinner. but unfortunately he was ill at the time.
Be that as it may, the following changes must be made to the entry:
1) Remove the ridiculous claim that someone asked Elsie for "permission." Copyright is for Coca Cola and Mickey Mouse. Are Americans pirates because they copied Asatru from the Icelandic pagans? No!
2) Remove all the nonsense about Harrison being "expelled." Technically, Martin Luther was excommunicated by the Catholics, but is that significant?
3. Simply discuss the Odinist Fellowship. References to the Odinic Rite do not belong here. -- Tsmollet 23:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps I should clarify my terms. Technically, we should argue there was a schism. For a time, both groups claimed the name "Odinic Rite." Then one of the groups chose a different name.
The issue of who is right or wrong in the hallowed halls of Odinism is unimportant. What we need are two clear and factual articles about 1) the current Odinist Fellowship and 2) the American branch.
As for the copyright statement, I think I was right on that one. No one owns these names.... The Christian group called the Plymouth Brethren in England is not connected to the group called the Plymouth Brethren in America.
But again, who cares? -- Tsmollet 02:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Another question. Is Hengest actually Heimgest? If you are Heimgest, you have done a great deal for Odinism, but you would be rather biased in this debate.
If you are Heimgest, do you know you have never answered my mail? -- Tsmollet 02:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
If it is any help to anyone, the OF UK mailing list is to 'B.M. Edda, London WC1N 3XX' (fake Odinist Fellowship) as discussed above about the 'BCM Runic, London, WC1N 3XX' (Real Odinic Rite) box but it might be of interest that the EDDA PO Box is registered to [1] '[a place in] [confidential home address deleted], GB - who lives there? It might be of interest that this website domain is registered to 'UK Registered Charity, (Charity number: 298688)' FK0071a 16:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
RalphHarrison doesn't make his case very eloquently by silently blanking paragraphs. However, FK0071a (and Hengest), if he would argue that he is simply removing uncited information, his edits couldn't be construed as vandalism, and it would be up to you, per Template talk:Unreferenced, to provide sources for the material you want to keep. I have no reason to doubt the material is factual, but that's still the way we play. dab (ᛏ) 09:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
If the editor is Mr. Harrison, I remind you that he is a new user! That would explain the stealthiness. -- Tsmollet 21:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Well it seems to me that such drama and sniping should be left on one another's respective member's lists and not resolved on wikipedia. Looking over the section, all it does is offer he said/she said unverified and unsourced commentary. Even if the issue of OR briefing was available online as a source, it would still be partisan. If the petty soap opera section goes back up, it needs to be sourced. WeniWidiWiki 17:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Wiki Pagan, a wikia wiki, is trying to be as comprehensive as possible. I have just saved the Heimgest article from oblivion. Are ther ay others that wikipedia recently dumped? Please mention on my talk page--or--better yet--edit at Wiki Pagan http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://pagan.wikia.com/wiki/Heimgest
--
Mig-17 02:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The American and the British organizations are completely separate and do not belong in the same article. If there is too little material on any of them to warrant an article of its own, the material should rather be merged into another article (such as Heathenry in the United States or Heathenry in the United Kingdom), instead of having two unrelated organization sharing one article, only because they have the same name. Ffranc ( talk) 14:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)