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With all respect, Odessa in not Odessos (Bulgarian Varna is). I'm not sure how Greeks call Odessa now, but that Greek version of the name is misleading. Should we list here the city's name in all possible languages? I've created a link to the future Greek article on Odessa: should be enough. -- Barbatus 19:02, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, LuiKhuntek, it is much better now. But still:
-- Barbatus 23:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Barbatus wrote: If you don't know, just click on the picture, and READ what is written there: "l'escalier Richelieu" (OK, this is in French), and "Ришельевская лестница" (hope you read Russian)
I do read Russian, poorly.
l'escalier Richelieu must be be French. I have never read this before in the five English guidebooks.
Should we also include the names: "Boulevard steps", Primorsky stairs, or the "Giant Staircase" in the short blurb below this picture too? I think the whole thing is kind of silly.
Anyway, thanks for the correction. Odessaukrain 03:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
If I recall, before this article said it is the third largest, now this edit was added:
I removed this edit, does anyone have a source for this? Travb ( talk) 23:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
As per About number and composition population of UKRAINE by All-Ukrainian Population Census'2001 data: Kyiv 2611 Kharkiv 1470 Dnipropetrovs'k 1065 Odesa 1029 Donets'k 1016
I will revert my edit. Travb ( talk) 17:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
More about the Greek colony is needed...-- Jack Upland 23:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I just added the following: Ze'ev Jabotinsky, a Zionist leader, author, orator, soldier, and founder of the Jewish Legion in World War I, was born in Odessa. 17 December 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.102.227 ( talk • contribs)
Hello everyone! How can I add on the website that there is another sister city for Odessa - Vancouver!!! And they really are very much alike :) (not sure about Chisinau though at all). Thanks :) Regards to all odessity! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.195.60.68 ( talk • contribs)
There are more then one sister city for Odessa. List of sister cities (in Russian language) -- TAG 02:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
How about some information that the twinning with Vancouver was one of the first official international twinning arrangements? -- Purplezart 09:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
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Signed: Travb ( talk) 09:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
On the official site of the Odessa city council it is written that Odessa has sister cities and partner cities. I don't know what the difference is between them, but I believe that it exists. Should we divide sister and partner cities? Now they are mentioned all together. Elefante bianco 16:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I modified this cite:
I am not sure why it was added. First it is in Russian, which is okay, but secondly it seems to have little relevance to the entire page. If someone disagrees they are welcome to add it back, but please explain why it is on the page. Travb 18:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I placed the link to the Official site of the city council to the second place (maybe it should be at the first?) because I believe it is more important than anything below it.
Besides I removed Odessa links at the Open Directory Project because it is not informative and guides to another links catalogue.
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I am wondering:
Here is a Photo: [2]
Here is the caption of the photo:
Thanks in advance. Odessaukrain 18:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I see that recently quite a few pictures have been added to the article. Are they really that necessary? (Not to mention, some captures are just badly written and misspelled.) Probably it would be better to move some of them to the Commons?-- Barbatus 17:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed this sentence, added by anon:
Maybe someone can add it back somewhere else. Odessaukrain ( talk) 03:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Twenty largest cities in Imperial Russia on 01.01.1913 (14.01.1913)
Imperial Central Bureau of Statistics show these figures.
The list less than 100 years ago (2008) looks quite different than 2008 population figures. In many cases the population has increased by tenfold of 1913 figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.198.226 ( talk) 18:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I think the renaming of this article to "Odesa" violates English language norm and needs to be reverted. Please express your opinion. Thanks. Kulikovsky 22:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Though Russian is largely spoken here and elsewhere, Ukrainian is the sole official language in Ukraine. Like many others about Ukraine (like Byelorussia and many more, by the way), this article does not reflect this fact, noticeably with the location names. I see no problem about giving the Russian names, anyway, but: A) Ukrainian alone has been repeatedly declared official, and any official status has been denied to Russian by successive governments, whatever their color; B) Other languages are spoken for 'some' time in Ukraine, like Tatar, Gagauz, etc. but those do not receive the same treatment as Russian in this encyclopedia. As it can be seen in the history, the first Odesa has been moved to Odessa, which is incorrect and inconsistent with the spelling used in about 90% of the articles (just check…) and with the results given by Google. The Russian spelling will send you in most cases to Texas. Would it be too much disturbation to take this into account, as Wikipedia is intended to give CORRECT information? Korenyuk 16:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The official name is Odessa - you can see official city page -- Assedo 12:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Like really though, Since when was Russian ever Declared the offical Language of Modern Ukraine? I Realize that Russian is spoken more Fluently in Ukraine(Which is Terribly sad, one of the bad things the USSR Brought.), but Why spell Everything the Russian way? The City's name is Odesa. The only reason that it is spelled the Russian way is because people in the English Speaking world don't know the Difference between Russia and Ukraine. Until Russian is Declared either an offical state language, or a de facto, it should be written in the Ukrainian form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.69.57 ( talk) 07:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Skinsmoke ( talk) 12:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Odessa should move to Odesa with one s. -- 68.37.192.216 ( talk) 00:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Current, Official, Native (Ukrainian) name of the city is Odesa. Need links to the Supreme Council which represents every vote-legible citizen?
As for "widespread" English usage – although being completely irrelevant - Odesa is more widespread: Before accusations on "cherrypicking" pour in - check how many languages use latin alphabet, and see how many of them use Odessa (for one reason or another). But we only concern ourselves with English, right? And we're only talking about Odesa in Ukraine (and not the one in Texas), right?
Odesa - 1,070,000 http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&num=100&q=odesa+%2Bukraine&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en&aq=f&oq= Odessa - 655,000 http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&num=100&q=odessa+%2Bukraine&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en&aq=f&oq=
Any questions?
Redirect OR at least refrain from vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.14.200 ( talk) 15:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Odessa is Russian way of spelling Ukrainian city Odesa. It should be moved back to ODESA with one S!!! -- 68.37.192.216 ( talk) 00:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus for move and edging toward consensus against. Moreover, the citation to atlases/maps and BGN are unconvincing as indicators of what English sources show as the common name. A look at a cross section of English newspaper sources, for example, resricted to the last five years and to English news sources returns results showing approximately a 3:1 ratio favoring the English usage of Odessa over Odesa ( [4] vs. [5] and a 2:1 result for books [6] vs. [7], and even completely raw search engine results are far more useful and accurate in the sphere of usage of a name in sources, than they are for other purposes such as determining notability of a topic. Here we are concerned with what general English usage is because we want the most people searching for an article by a particular name to reach their intended target directly and without surprise, rather than concerned with reliability of the sources found through a search.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Odessa → Odesa — Current, Official, Native (Ukrainian) name of the city is Odesa. This name is also shown as Standard in US BGN geographic names database. Odessa is only shown as variant. This is a reflection of wide-spread usage of Odesa rather than Odesa in the English Language. Andriy155 ( talk) 23:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Name of the source | Odessa | Odesa |
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Oxford Atlas of the World | X | |
The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World | X | |
National Geographic Visual Atlas of the World | X | |
DK Great World Atlas | X | |
HarperColin New World Atlas | X | |
Hammond fifth Edition World Atlas | X | |
Rand McNally Classic World Atlas | X | |
Ukraine - The Essential Guide to Customs and Culture | X | |
Lonely Planet - Ukraine | X |
Several very relevant links have been removed, links which have appear to have been on this page for years. [9] These include several guides, a link with panaromic maps, a link to dmoz, and a history of odessa. I can understand why hotel or room rental links are deleted, but these sites contain valuable and encyclopedic material. 69.138.243.26 ( talk) 04:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
After visiting Potemkin Stairs today (08-31-09) I have to assume the picture of "Potemkin Stairs" on this site has been doctored. The shadowed images of the people on the stairs are smaller than any average sized person would be, giving the impression the stairs are wider and longer than they actually are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.124.253.242 ( talk) 20:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
The following was removed from the article:
Signed: Travb ( talk) 17:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
And why was this removed? —Preceding
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id like to know historical census figures for Odessa could any one say when the population first reached 10,000 or 100,000 people ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.212.6 ( talk) 01:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Although widely believed locally, it's doubtful as stated in the article that the Catacombs are a serious impediment to a subway system. Subways are routinely built in much worse conditions and much deeper excavations, even underneath major water features, and limestone is actually very conducive to tunneling (as evidenced by the very existence of the Catacombs in the first place.) More likely such a system is just economically infeasible because Odessa isn't large enough to make it worth the investment. Dnipropetrovsk is the smallest city in Ukraine to have any sort of underground system, and it is a town of similar population but considerably larger area. Even so, that system only has 6 stations and 8km of track, making it one of the smallest underground systems in the world and a questionable cost/benefit ratio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.161.98 ( talk) 18:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know, Richter was of German origin, not Jewish. -- Tamas 20:03, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
On Richter's page, it says he was born in Zhitomir, not in Odessa. I am not sure which one is correct, but unmistakinly one of them is wrong. 81.245.194.9 ( talk) 21:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi.
I wonder who decided that this city should be spelled with one 's'?
I lived in Odessa for 40 years and never heard about spelling the city name with one 's'. It was always 'ss' - ODESSA, O-D-E-S-S-A.
Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.57.150.68 ( talk) 13:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello everyone! There's a point that I believe must be brought up about Odessa's 19th century history. The quote shows the area Moldavanka has been formed on the site of a old Romanian colony. However, if attention is paid, the colony was of Moldvavian immigrants(hence the name). Romania has been formed in 1859(absorbing Moldavia), while the colonization was going on for a few decades before. Since Moldavia and Bessarabia are close geographically to Odessa its logical that there would be more of them coming than from other Romanian-dialect regions. Ethnically they called themselves Moldavian, which explains the name Moldavanka. BTW, its interesting that outside of Galician Ukraine(Chernivsti), all Latin-descent Ukrainians refer to themselves as Moldavans. I didnt put the adjective 'Romanian', since they never used it to describe their origins. I have edited the ethnic adjective, yet local gatekeeper has changed it almost instantly. I want to challenge it to help recognize the role of Moldovan people in Odessa's history.I hope to see some discussion. Thanks, Dmitry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.130.185 ( talk) 07:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
To what degree, and in what spheres, has Ukrainian supplanted Russian in Odessa since 1991? The article indicates a particulrly Odessa accented Russian. Is this less true today? There is reference to the majority of the Jews leaving. Beg pardon, but the mayor is Hurvits? I am assuming Jewish? Also there is reference to in-migration of Ukrainians from the countryside. Is there a source for population by ethnicity or nationality? Jd2718 19:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Ukrainian is not popular in Odessa. Some goverment signs use it, but generally almost everyone speaks Russian. Even ukrainian maps (like the Mista Ukrainy series) use the russian name of the city (Odessa not Odesa) and russian place names, not to mention all other economic activity. The ukrainization of Odessa has failed to date. However this does not mean that Odessa wants to be part of Russia. The people don't want that. They would like the Ukraine goverment to stop the "ukrainization" (change names on signs, on stations - back) and give Russian an official status in the area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.255.254.41 ( talk) 10:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Stop lying Russian pig. Ukrainian is not popular because of long time Rusification not only in Odesa, but in all Ukraine. Time will show if Ukrainian is popular in Odesa among Ukrainian or not. And don't say that Ukrainization of Odesa has failed. You failed to be born Russian хохол :) -- 70.111.79.146 ( talk) 17:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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As far as I know Odessa could be hardly classified as subtropical place. With regular snowy winters and average January -0.5 C, it is defeninitely in the temperate zone.Average annual precipiations 451 mm hardly stand for humid climate as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.0.211 ( talk) 01:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Using the precipitation threshold, average temperature = 10.7 so
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I find the following statement in the article a bit naive and problematic:
In fact, more than 50% of Soviet/modern Russian musicians, composers, producers, etc. are Jews and Ukrainians born in Odessa and other Ukraine's cities.
I mean: has there ever been such a count made? Is there somewhere a list of "Soviet/modern Russian musicians, composers, producers, etc."? The words "in fact" and the number 50% give the impression that this is some scientific fact, but it is more likely just a personal impression and thus very POV. Moreover, this statement is more about Ukraine as a whole than Odessa itself.-- Tamas 10:05, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I would like to know what WP policy or other considerations call for Greek and Turkish name in the very first line of the article. I am not in rush to remove them as I would like to give some time to editors who inserted them to respond. Obviously, similar disputes are not new. I've been following and was involved in several and from that I conclude that these names do belong to the article, but not in the first line. See for example Talk:Kiev/Archive02#Kijów in Kiev article. -- Irpen 03:36, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Irpen absolutely: it's like the Turks call the city 'Haçibei' still, and the Greeks insist on 'Odessos'!
And what's that talk about 'patronymic' is about? What patronymic? 'Odessos' is patronymic?
Now, where that information about the 14th century Crimean Tartars' trade is from? If memory serves me, the future Odessa region was mentioned only once (or may be twice) in the Latin chronicle by Jan Długosz, that is, that Polish king sent a transport of corn to the besieged by the Turks Constaninople, and it was about a single event, not a regular 'trade'; local lakes (or limans), though, were named as a long-known source of salt. Yet again, there was no mentioning of a town named Hajibei (or any other variation of that name). Have any other references been found? If so, they should be cited.
Plus, I think that the Ancient Greek settlement (name unknown) and Turkish fortress Yeni-Dunia both worth mentioning in the article. Traces of the Greek town were found during the earthworks near the Odessa Cityhall, and it was the Turkish fortress, not just the town Hajibei that was taken during the Russo-Turkish war.
This, excuse me, is utter nonsense. It gives an impression that Jews in Odessa populated those 'entire apartment blocks' they later allegedly abandoned. There were no ghettos in Odessa; Jews (never more than 10% of the city's population in the post-war decades) lived as dispersed as other ethnic groups of Odessa.
-- barbatus 17:07, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
Just read the Be bold .. but don't be reckless! guidline and proceed with editing. Others, myself included, will correct/revert if you mess up. Cheers, -- Irpen 18:49, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
I've added some books about Odessa. The most important is the Odessa: A History by Patricia Herlihy (whom I've even had an honour to meet some years ago).
Now, back to the names. After 1991, some maps changed the English spelling to supposedly Ukrainian, with one 's,' which, I think, is absolutely incorrect. By the same logic, Moscow, for example, should be spelled 'Moskva' and Warsaw must be 'Warszawa.' There is a traditional Western European spelling, used by many authors from Honoré de Balzac (in Père Goriot) to Bee Gees (Odessa), and let's stick to it.
-- barbatus 17:17, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
Bibliography is good indeed. Why did you remove the info about feminine name? Is it questionable? As for the rest, I moved it to your talk page to keep this page more connected to its orginal purpose and will respond there too. With best regards, -- Irpen 22:18, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, could we select a shorter list of books to keep them in the article (maybe 2 or 3) and move the rest to a separate list article, titled for example: List of English Bibliography on Odessa, Ukraine or similar. The new article will be linked from Odessa article, but will make a main article look cleaner. Thanks! -- Irpen 19:47, August 18, 2005 (UTC) Selected English Bibliography
The caption of the image Potemkinstairs.jpg ends with "It is the set for admittedly the most celebrated short sequence ever filmed." How can it possibly be defined as the 'most celebrated short sequence ever filmed'? Such a claim is purely based on opinion. Furthermore, 'admittedly' is misleading, as the sentence is not an admission, merely an unsourced claim of opinion. The caption holds the same informational value without the line in question, so I think it should merely be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schnabeltier Angriff ( talk • contribs)
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"Information" is misspelt here: Infoformation. I do not know how to correct this. Would an admin or any "wizard" peform this correction?
http://www.mellenpress.com/mellenpress.cfm?bookid=6095&pc=9
What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 10:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
what is the cost of living there? If one wanted to move and live there. That would be nice to know.-- 184.166.178.187 ( talk) 10:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC) Ken walters
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The article contains a photograph of supposed Greek remains under glass on Primorsky Blvd. This glass display is widely believed in Odessa to be for illustrative purposes only (depending on one's views either for educational purposes or a cynical attempt by the current government to distance Odessa's history from Russia). The "artifacts" under the glass appear new and unblemished. Does anyone else know differently? Can we get a link to an authoritative source as to the authenticity of the vases etc under the glass? Piquin ( talk) 22:57, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
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@ TaivoLinguist: The form "Odesa", most likely a transliteration of its native Ukrainian name, finds frequent usage in English-language literature as evident by a simple Google Books search. For example, Breaking the Tounge by Matthew D Pauly reads "The city and region of Odesa (Russian: Odessa) [...]". Otherwise, Google also returns 5 million web resources listing "Odesa", of which most are in English.
Another example I gave previously is Google Maps, the most-used maps service, which also lists "Odesa" (conversely, though, OpenStreetMap shows "Odessa"). Furthermore, video game company Ubisoft recently announced a studio in the city that will be called "Ubisoft Odesa".
Obviously, "Odessa" is more common, and I won't request renaming the page, but a simple mention of "Odesa" is more than warranted. Lordtobi ( ✉) 09:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Odessa is not Russian. It is an English name. Saying that the English name Odessa is Russian is like saying that the English name Jennifer is Cornish. it may have roots in either Russian or Ukrainian but in English anyway, it has bleep all to do with Russian, just as in English, Jennifer has bleep all to do with Cornish. 199.101.62.225 ( talk) 15:02, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Also how many of those results are either discussions about wether to call it Odessa or Odesa, and how many results are about other places that use the Odesa spelling? I went to Sri Lanka a few years ago and stayed in a place called Odesa Town House, (Odesa is pronounced as oh-dee-zuh, with the ode part being like the letters o and D and the sa part like a za). 199.101.62.225 ( talk) 15:03, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I think this discussion needs to be closed, unless somebody is willing to make an official rename request and present evidence. I believe that the acknowledgement in the article is good enough for now. And again, as I said from my previous IP address, Odessa is no more a Russian name than Jennifer is a Cornish name, which is to say not at all. somebody please close this discussion if this is all that she wrote here, as this is going nowhere fast. 38.111.120.74 ( talk) 04:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
References
Now that the move request succeeded and Kyiv is the name of the main article in Wikipedia, this Odessa article is the only one of the eight listed by the Ukraine Ministry of Foreign Affairs #CorrectUA initiative that is inconsistent [11]. All of the others below:
Just thought this was useful regarding the debate in the above sections. -- Fuzheado | Talk 13:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Given that Wikipedia now does not use the Russian transliteration of the name of the capital of Ukraine, it would be logical now to use the Ukrainian transliteration of the city and oblast Odesa. Odesa is the last city that still has Russian transliteration. -- vitaliyf261 | Talk 16:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I propose to rename this article to Odesa according to the Ukrainian, not Russian transliteration, which was recently done with the Ukrainian capital.— Preceding unsigned comment added by vitaliyf261 ( talk • contribs)
They were saying the same about Kyiv, but eventually pro-Russian lobby gave up. Odesa is next.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.110.102.235 ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Kiev is the Russian-[based] version, [and Kyiv is a Ukrainian-based version]: it is a very welcome evolution of your opinions on Ukraine-related topics (and Kyiv/Kiev in particular). I am also hoping that this softening of your stance is a result of a genuine shift in your world-view, and is not because User:Mzajac is a sysop and not a regular editor/IP (because from what I saw in the 15 pages of Talk:Kiev/naming archives, in 2019 and prior years other non-sysop editors were not as lucky as User:Mzajac to get such a generous response from you; i.e., if they said things like
"Kiev" is the former (and now outdated) English spelling. The modern English spelling is "Kyiv."diff they would get threatened with a partial block/topic-ban.
Reading through the entry, I noticed that after the Red Army takeover of Odessa there is ZERO substantive historical information until the German/Romanian invasion in 1941. Similarly, there is a near blank in surround the city's history post WWII. So much history missing. Mind, life wasn't dull as this recent article shows.
https://www.rbc.ua/rus/styler/odesse-obnaruzhili-odin-samyh-krupnyh-mogilnikov-1629640908.html
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A mass grave has been found in Odessa recently, should that info be part of the page since this is a big and historically-relevant one (5000 to 8000 bodies approximately)? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8-000-more-victims-of-stalin-purges-unearthed-in-29-graves-in-odessa-southern-ukraine-0g7sm0gqs -- 166.62.226.25 ( talk) 03:10, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Russian forces have landed and moving inland. CNN, ABC, BBC reporting. 50.111.36.47 ( talk) 05:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
In any case, the first bit should be changed to: Odessa (Ukrainian: Оде́са [oˈdɛsɐ]), (Russian: Оде́сса [ɐˈdʲesə]) (historically the common English name is from the Russian version) or something like this. The Ukrainian name should be first. 142.163.194.97 ( talk) 23:15, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
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Odessa is the Russian spelling. Odesa is the Ukrainian and is most proper. Same with Kyiv. It is Kyiv NOT Kiev 2600:1012:B01F:5873:4918:61E8:D7FA:F5E6 ( talk) 21:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Not done for now: There is a page move request already in progress. Kahastok talk 21:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
What this meaning 42.109.129.220 ( talk) 02:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
This has been indeed reported in the morning by a number of reliable sources, but all of them quote Anton Gerashchenko, they did not make own research. It has never been followed up and seems yo be disinformation. If no follow-up has been found, and absent new developments, I am going to remove the sentence tomorrow.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 18:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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as has become standard on wikipedia, the history of odessa seems to come directly out of the back of a koran. there was in fact no greek city on the site of odessa, and the article then entirely ignores the indigenous slavic groups that occupied the area for thousands of years. it is very weird to see a history of odessa not mention any sort of slavic habitation of the region until catherine the great, given they have live in the area for thousands of years. but, the reason for this is that the fundamentally racist system of islamic colonialism considers slavs to be inferior peoples that were simply moved off of the land. islamic colonialist narratives are the kinds of racist histories that need to be completely eradicated from scholarship, but the large amount of money held by the region is currently giving it far more influence than it deserves. the entire history section should be rewritten to prioritize the fact that the region has been inhabited by indigenous slavs for thousands of years; the brief period of islamic colonialism in the region should be minimized. 107.190.102.49 ( talk) 05:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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With all respect, Odessa in not Odessos (Bulgarian Varna is). I'm not sure how Greeks call Odessa now, but that Greek version of the name is misleading. Should we list here the city's name in all possible languages? I've created a link to the future Greek article on Odessa: should be enough. -- Barbatus 19:02, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, LuiKhuntek, it is much better now. But still:
-- Barbatus 23:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Barbatus wrote: If you don't know, just click on the picture, and READ what is written there: "l'escalier Richelieu" (OK, this is in French), and "Ришельевская лестница" (hope you read Russian)
I do read Russian, poorly.
l'escalier Richelieu must be be French. I have never read this before in the five English guidebooks.
Should we also include the names: "Boulevard steps", Primorsky stairs, or the "Giant Staircase" in the short blurb below this picture too? I think the whole thing is kind of silly.
Anyway, thanks for the correction. Odessaukrain 03:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
If I recall, before this article said it is the third largest, now this edit was added:
I removed this edit, does anyone have a source for this? Travb ( talk) 23:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
As per About number and composition population of UKRAINE by All-Ukrainian Population Census'2001 data: Kyiv 2611 Kharkiv 1470 Dnipropetrovs'k 1065 Odesa 1029 Donets'k 1016
I will revert my edit. Travb ( talk) 17:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
More about the Greek colony is needed...-- Jack Upland 23:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I just added the following: Ze'ev Jabotinsky, a Zionist leader, author, orator, soldier, and founder of the Jewish Legion in World War I, was born in Odessa. 17 December 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.102.227 ( talk • contribs)
Hello everyone! How can I add on the website that there is another sister city for Odessa - Vancouver!!! And they really are very much alike :) (not sure about Chisinau though at all). Thanks :) Regards to all odessity! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.195.60.68 ( talk • contribs)
There are more then one sister city for Odessa. List of sister cities (in Russian language) -- TAG 02:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
How about some information that the twinning with Vancouver was one of the first official international twinning arrangements? -- Purplezart 09:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
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On the official site of the Odessa city council it is written that Odessa has sister cities and partner cities. I don't know what the difference is between them, but I believe that it exists. Should we divide sister and partner cities? Now they are mentioned all together. Elefante bianco 16:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I modified this cite:
I am not sure why it was added. First it is in Russian, which is okay, but secondly it seems to have little relevance to the entire page. If someone disagrees they are welcome to add it back, but please explain why it is on the page. Travb 18:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I placed the link to the Official site of the city council to the second place (maybe it should be at the first?) because I believe it is more important than anything below it.
Besides I removed Odessa links at the Open Directory Project because it is not informative and guides to another links catalogue.
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I am wondering:
Here is a Photo: [2]
Here is the caption of the photo:
Thanks in advance. Odessaukrain 18:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I see that recently quite a few pictures have been added to the article. Are they really that necessary? (Not to mention, some captures are just badly written and misspelled.) Probably it would be better to move some of them to the Commons?-- Barbatus 17:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I removed this sentence, added by anon:
Maybe someone can add it back somewhere else. Odessaukrain ( talk) 03:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Twenty largest cities in Imperial Russia on 01.01.1913 (14.01.1913)
Imperial Central Bureau of Statistics show these figures.
The list less than 100 years ago (2008) looks quite different than 2008 population figures. In many cases the population has increased by tenfold of 1913 figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.198.226 ( talk) 18:14, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I think the renaming of this article to "Odesa" violates English language norm and needs to be reverted. Please express your opinion. Thanks. Kulikovsky 22:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Though Russian is largely spoken here and elsewhere, Ukrainian is the sole official language in Ukraine. Like many others about Ukraine (like Byelorussia and many more, by the way), this article does not reflect this fact, noticeably with the location names. I see no problem about giving the Russian names, anyway, but: A) Ukrainian alone has been repeatedly declared official, and any official status has been denied to Russian by successive governments, whatever their color; B) Other languages are spoken for 'some' time in Ukraine, like Tatar, Gagauz, etc. but those do not receive the same treatment as Russian in this encyclopedia. As it can be seen in the history, the first Odesa has been moved to Odessa, which is incorrect and inconsistent with the spelling used in about 90% of the articles (just check…) and with the results given by Google. The Russian spelling will send you in most cases to Texas. Would it be too much disturbation to take this into account, as Wikipedia is intended to give CORRECT information? Korenyuk 16:33, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The official name is Odessa - you can see official city page -- Assedo 12:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Like really though, Since when was Russian ever Declared the offical Language of Modern Ukraine? I Realize that Russian is spoken more Fluently in Ukraine(Which is Terribly sad, one of the bad things the USSR Brought.), but Why spell Everything the Russian way? The City's name is Odesa. The only reason that it is spelled the Russian way is because people in the English Speaking world don't know the Difference between Russia and Ukraine. Until Russian is Declared either an offical state language, or a de facto, it should be written in the Ukrainian form. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.69.57 ( talk) 07:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Skinsmoke ( talk) 12:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Odessa should move to Odesa with one s. -- 68.37.192.216 ( talk) 00:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Current, Official, Native (Ukrainian) name of the city is Odesa. Need links to the Supreme Council which represents every vote-legible citizen?
As for "widespread" English usage – although being completely irrelevant - Odesa is more widespread: Before accusations on "cherrypicking" pour in - check how many languages use latin alphabet, and see how many of them use Odessa (for one reason or another). But we only concern ourselves with English, right? And we're only talking about Odesa in Ukraine (and not the one in Texas), right?
Odesa - 1,070,000 http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&num=100&q=odesa+%2Bukraine&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en&aq=f&oq= Odessa - 655,000 http://www.google.com.sg/search?hl=en&num=100&q=odessa+%2Bukraine&btnG=Search&meta=lr%3Dlang_en&aq=f&oq=
Any questions?
Redirect OR at least refrain from vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.14.200 ( talk) 15:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Odessa is Russian way of spelling Ukrainian city Odesa. It should be moved back to ODESA with one S!!! -- 68.37.192.216 ( talk) 00:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus for move and edging toward consensus against. Moreover, the citation to atlases/maps and BGN are unconvincing as indicators of what English sources show as the common name. A look at a cross section of English newspaper sources, for example, resricted to the last five years and to English news sources returns results showing approximately a 3:1 ratio favoring the English usage of Odessa over Odesa ( [4] vs. [5] and a 2:1 result for books [6] vs. [7], and even completely raw search engine results are far more useful and accurate in the sphere of usage of a name in sources, than they are for other purposes such as determining notability of a topic. Here we are concerned with what general English usage is because we want the most people searching for an article by a particular name to reach their intended target directly and without surprise, rather than concerned with reliability of the sources found through a search.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Odessa → Odesa — Current, Official, Native (Ukrainian) name of the city is Odesa. This name is also shown as Standard in US BGN geographic names database. Odessa is only shown as variant. This is a reflection of wide-spread usage of Odesa rather than Odesa in the English Language. Andriy155 ( talk) 23:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Name of the source | Odessa | Odesa |
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Oxford Atlas of the World | X | |
The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World | X | |
National Geographic Visual Atlas of the World | X | |
DK Great World Atlas | X | |
HarperColin New World Atlas | X | |
Hammond fifth Edition World Atlas | X | |
Rand McNally Classic World Atlas | X | |
Ukraine - The Essential Guide to Customs and Culture | X | |
Lonely Planet - Ukraine | X |
Several very relevant links have been removed, links which have appear to have been on this page for years. [9] These include several guides, a link with panaromic maps, a link to dmoz, and a history of odessa. I can understand why hotel or room rental links are deleted, but these sites contain valuable and encyclopedic material. 69.138.243.26 ( talk) 04:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
After visiting Potemkin Stairs today (08-31-09) I have to assume the picture of "Potemkin Stairs" on this site has been doctored. The shadowed images of the people on the stairs are smaller than any average sized person would be, giving the impression the stairs are wider and longer than they actually are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.124.253.242 ( talk) 20:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
The following was removed from the article:
Signed: Travb ( talk) 17:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
And why was this removed? —Preceding
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id like to know historical census figures for Odessa could any one say when the population first reached 10,000 or 100,000 people ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.212.6 ( talk) 01:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Although widely believed locally, it's doubtful as stated in the article that the Catacombs are a serious impediment to a subway system. Subways are routinely built in much worse conditions and much deeper excavations, even underneath major water features, and limestone is actually very conducive to tunneling (as evidenced by the very existence of the Catacombs in the first place.) More likely such a system is just economically infeasible because Odessa isn't large enough to make it worth the investment. Dnipropetrovsk is the smallest city in Ukraine to have any sort of underground system, and it is a town of similar population but considerably larger area. Even so, that system only has 6 stations and 8km of track, making it one of the smallest underground systems in the world and a questionable cost/benefit ratio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.161.98 ( talk) 18:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know, Richter was of German origin, not Jewish. -- Tamas 20:03, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
On Richter's page, it says he was born in Zhitomir, not in Odessa. I am not sure which one is correct, but unmistakinly one of them is wrong. 81.245.194.9 ( talk) 21:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi.
I wonder who decided that this city should be spelled with one 's'?
I lived in Odessa for 40 years and never heard about spelling the city name with one 's'. It was always 'ss' - ODESSA, O-D-E-S-S-A.
Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.57.150.68 ( talk) 13:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello everyone! There's a point that I believe must be brought up about Odessa's 19th century history. The quote shows the area Moldavanka has been formed on the site of a old Romanian colony. However, if attention is paid, the colony was of Moldvavian immigrants(hence the name). Romania has been formed in 1859(absorbing Moldavia), while the colonization was going on for a few decades before. Since Moldavia and Bessarabia are close geographically to Odessa its logical that there would be more of them coming than from other Romanian-dialect regions. Ethnically they called themselves Moldavian, which explains the name Moldavanka. BTW, its interesting that outside of Galician Ukraine(Chernivsti), all Latin-descent Ukrainians refer to themselves as Moldavans. I didnt put the adjective 'Romanian', since they never used it to describe their origins. I have edited the ethnic adjective, yet local gatekeeper has changed it almost instantly. I want to challenge it to help recognize the role of Moldovan people in Odessa's history.I hope to see some discussion. Thanks, Dmitry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.112.130.185 ( talk) 07:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
To what degree, and in what spheres, has Ukrainian supplanted Russian in Odessa since 1991? The article indicates a particulrly Odessa accented Russian. Is this less true today? There is reference to the majority of the Jews leaving. Beg pardon, but the mayor is Hurvits? I am assuming Jewish? Also there is reference to in-migration of Ukrainians from the countryside. Is there a source for population by ethnicity or nationality? Jd2718 19:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Ukrainian is not popular in Odessa. Some goverment signs use it, but generally almost everyone speaks Russian. Even ukrainian maps (like the Mista Ukrainy series) use the russian name of the city (Odessa not Odesa) and russian place names, not to mention all other economic activity. The ukrainization of Odessa has failed to date. However this does not mean that Odessa wants to be part of Russia. The people don't want that. They would like the Ukraine goverment to stop the "ukrainization" (change names on signs, on stations - back) and give Russian an official status in the area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.255.254.41 ( talk) 10:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Stop lying Russian pig. Ukrainian is not popular because of long time Rusification not only in Odesa, but in all Ukraine. Time will show if Ukrainian is popular in Odesa among Ukrainian or not. And don't say that Ukrainization of Odesa has failed. You failed to be born Russian хохол :) -- 70.111.79.146 ( talk) 17:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
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As far as I know Odessa could be hardly classified as subtropical place. With regular snowy winters and average January -0.5 C, it is defeninitely in the temperate zone.Average annual precipiations 451 mm hardly stand for humid climate as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.0.211 ( talk) 01:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Using the precipitation threshold, average temperature = 10.7 so
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I find the following statement in the article a bit naive and problematic:
In fact, more than 50% of Soviet/modern Russian musicians, composers, producers, etc. are Jews and Ukrainians born in Odessa and other Ukraine's cities.
I mean: has there ever been such a count made? Is there somewhere a list of "Soviet/modern Russian musicians, composers, producers, etc."? The words "in fact" and the number 50% give the impression that this is some scientific fact, but it is more likely just a personal impression and thus very POV. Moreover, this statement is more about Ukraine as a whole than Odessa itself.-- Tamas 10:05, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I would like to know what WP policy or other considerations call for Greek and Turkish name in the very first line of the article. I am not in rush to remove them as I would like to give some time to editors who inserted them to respond. Obviously, similar disputes are not new. I've been following and was involved in several and from that I conclude that these names do belong to the article, but not in the first line. See for example Talk:Kiev/Archive02#Kijów in Kiev article. -- Irpen 03:36, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Irpen absolutely: it's like the Turks call the city 'Haçibei' still, and the Greeks insist on 'Odessos'!
And what's that talk about 'patronymic' is about? What patronymic? 'Odessos' is patronymic?
Now, where that information about the 14th century Crimean Tartars' trade is from? If memory serves me, the future Odessa region was mentioned only once (or may be twice) in the Latin chronicle by Jan Długosz, that is, that Polish king sent a transport of corn to the besieged by the Turks Constaninople, and it was about a single event, not a regular 'trade'; local lakes (or limans), though, were named as a long-known source of salt. Yet again, there was no mentioning of a town named Hajibei (or any other variation of that name). Have any other references been found? If so, they should be cited.
Plus, I think that the Ancient Greek settlement (name unknown) and Turkish fortress Yeni-Dunia both worth mentioning in the article. Traces of the Greek town were found during the earthworks near the Odessa Cityhall, and it was the Turkish fortress, not just the town Hajibei that was taken during the Russo-Turkish war.
This, excuse me, is utter nonsense. It gives an impression that Jews in Odessa populated those 'entire apartment blocks' they later allegedly abandoned. There were no ghettos in Odessa; Jews (never more than 10% of the city's population in the post-war decades) lived as dispersed as other ethnic groups of Odessa.
-- barbatus 17:07, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
Just read the Be bold .. but don't be reckless! guidline and proceed with editing. Others, myself included, will correct/revert if you mess up. Cheers, -- Irpen 18:49, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
I've added some books about Odessa. The most important is the Odessa: A History by Patricia Herlihy (whom I've even had an honour to meet some years ago).
Now, back to the names. After 1991, some maps changed the English spelling to supposedly Ukrainian, with one 's,' which, I think, is absolutely incorrect. By the same logic, Moscow, for example, should be spelled 'Moskva' and Warsaw must be 'Warszawa.' There is a traditional Western European spelling, used by many authors from Honoré de Balzac (in Père Goriot) to Bee Gees (Odessa), and let's stick to it.
-- barbatus 17:17, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
Bibliography is good indeed. Why did you remove the info about feminine name? Is it questionable? As for the rest, I moved it to your talk page to keep this page more connected to its orginal purpose and will respond there too. With best regards, -- Irpen 22:18, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, could we select a shorter list of books to keep them in the article (maybe 2 or 3) and move the rest to a separate list article, titled for example: List of English Bibliography on Odessa, Ukraine or similar. The new article will be linked from Odessa article, but will make a main article look cleaner. Thanks! -- Irpen 19:47, August 18, 2005 (UTC) Selected English Bibliography
The caption of the image Potemkinstairs.jpg ends with "It is the set for admittedly the most celebrated short sequence ever filmed." How can it possibly be defined as the 'most celebrated short sequence ever filmed'? Such a claim is purely based on opinion. Furthermore, 'admittedly' is misleading, as the sentence is not an admission, merely an unsourced claim of opinion. The caption holds the same informational value without the line in question, so I think it should merely be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schnabeltier Angriff ( talk • contribs)
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"Information" is misspelt here: Infoformation. I do not know how to correct this. Would an admin or any "wizard" peform this correction?
http://www.mellenpress.com/mellenpress.cfm?bookid=6095&pc=9
What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 10:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
what is the cost of living there? If one wanted to move and live there. That would be nice to know.-- 184.166.178.187 ( talk) 10:29, 14 September 2015 (UTC) Ken walters
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@ TaivoLinguist: The form "Odesa", most likely a transliteration of its native Ukrainian name, finds frequent usage in English-language literature as evident by a simple Google Books search. For example, Breaking the Tounge by Matthew D Pauly reads "The city and region of Odesa (Russian: Odessa) [...]". Otherwise, Google also returns 5 million web resources listing "Odesa", of which most are in English.
Another example I gave previously is Google Maps, the most-used maps service, which also lists "Odesa" (conversely, though, OpenStreetMap shows "Odessa"). Furthermore, video game company Ubisoft recently announced a studio in the city that will be called "Ubisoft Odesa".
Obviously, "Odessa" is more common, and I won't request renaming the page, but a simple mention of "Odesa" is more than warranted. Lordtobi ( ✉) 09:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Odessa is not Russian. It is an English name. Saying that the English name Odessa is Russian is like saying that the English name Jennifer is Cornish. it may have roots in either Russian or Ukrainian but in English anyway, it has bleep all to do with Russian, just as in English, Jennifer has bleep all to do with Cornish. 199.101.62.225 ( talk) 15:02, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Also how many of those results are either discussions about wether to call it Odessa or Odesa, and how many results are about other places that use the Odesa spelling? I went to Sri Lanka a few years ago and stayed in a place called Odesa Town House, (Odesa is pronounced as oh-dee-zuh, with the ode part being like the letters o and D and the sa part like a za). 199.101.62.225 ( talk) 15:03, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I think this discussion needs to be closed, unless somebody is willing to make an official rename request and present evidence. I believe that the acknowledgement in the article is good enough for now. And again, as I said from my previous IP address, Odessa is no more a Russian name than Jennifer is a Cornish name, which is to say not at all. somebody please close this discussion if this is all that she wrote here, as this is going nowhere fast. 38.111.120.74 ( talk) 04:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
References
Now that the move request succeeded and Kyiv is the name of the main article in Wikipedia, this Odessa article is the only one of the eight listed by the Ukraine Ministry of Foreign Affairs #CorrectUA initiative that is inconsistent [11]. All of the others below:
Just thought this was useful regarding the debate in the above sections. -- Fuzheado | Talk 13:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Given that Wikipedia now does not use the Russian transliteration of the name of the capital of Ukraine, it would be logical now to use the Ukrainian transliteration of the city and oblast Odesa. Odesa is the last city that still has Russian transliteration. -- vitaliyf261 | Talk 16:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
I propose to rename this article to Odesa according to the Ukrainian, not Russian transliteration, which was recently done with the Ukrainian capital.— Preceding unsigned comment added by vitaliyf261 ( talk • contribs)
They were saying the same about Kyiv, but eventually pro-Russian lobby gave up. Odesa is next.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.110.102.235 ( talk • contribs) 01:27, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Kiev is the Russian-[based] version, [and Kyiv is a Ukrainian-based version]: it is a very welcome evolution of your opinions on Ukraine-related topics (and Kyiv/Kiev in particular). I am also hoping that this softening of your stance is a result of a genuine shift in your world-view, and is not because User:Mzajac is a sysop and not a regular editor/IP (because from what I saw in the 15 pages of Talk:Kiev/naming archives, in 2019 and prior years other non-sysop editors were not as lucky as User:Mzajac to get such a generous response from you; i.e., if they said things like
"Kiev" is the former (and now outdated) English spelling. The modern English spelling is "Kyiv."diff they would get threatened with a partial block/topic-ban.
Reading through the entry, I noticed that after the Red Army takeover of Odessa there is ZERO substantive historical information until the German/Romanian invasion in 1941. Similarly, there is a near blank in surround the city's history post WWII. So much history missing. Mind, life wasn't dull as this recent article shows.
https://www.rbc.ua/rus/styler/odesse-obnaruzhili-odin-samyh-krupnyh-mogilnikov-1629640908.html
Comments?
A mass grave has been found in Odessa recently, should that info be part of the page since this is a big and historically-relevant one (5000 to 8000 bodies approximately)? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8-000-more-victims-of-stalin-purges-unearthed-in-29-graves-in-odessa-southern-ukraine-0g7sm0gqs -- 166.62.226.25 ( talk) 03:10, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Russian forces have landed and moving inland. CNN, ABC, BBC reporting. 50.111.36.47 ( talk) 05:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
In any case, the first bit should be changed to: Odessa (Ukrainian: Оде́са [oˈdɛsɐ]), (Russian: Оде́сса [ɐˈdʲesə]) (historically the common English name is from the Russian version) or something like this. The Ukrainian name should be first. 142.163.194.97 ( talk) 23:15, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
This
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Odessa is the Russian spelling. Odesa is the Ukrainian and is most proper. Same with Kyiv. It is Kyiv NOT Kiev 2600:1012:B01F:5873:4918:61E8:D7FA:F5E6 ( talk) 21:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Not done for now: There is a page move request already in progress. Kahastok talk 21:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
What this meaning 42.109.129.220 ( talk) 02:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
This has been indeed reported in the morning by a number of reliable sources, but all of them quote Anton Gerashchenko, they did not make own research. It has never been followed up and seems yo be disinformation. If no follow-up has been found, and absent new developments, I am going to remove the sentence tomorrow.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 18:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
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as has become standard on wikipedia, the history of odessa seems to come directly out of the back of a koran. there was in fact no greek city on the site of odessa, and the article then entirely ignores the indigenous slavic groups that occupied the area for thousands of years. it is very weird to see a history of odessa not mention any sort of slavic habitation of the region until catherine the great, given they have live in the area for thousands of years. but, the reason for this is that the fundamentally racist system of islamic colonialism considers slavs to be inferior peoples that were simply moved off of the land. islamic colonialist narratives are the kinds of racist histories that need to be completely eradicated from scholarship, but the large amount of money held by the region is currently giving it far more influence than it deserves. the entire history section should be rewritten to prioritize the fact that the region has been inhabited by indigenous slavs for thousands of years; the brief period of islamic colonialism in the region should be minimized. 107.190.102.49 ( talk) 05:20, 7 March 2022 (UTC)