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If this really is the same as Holy Basil, then Tulsi and Holy Basil should be combined into one page. (I think they are the same, judging by various sources on the net.) Singkong2005 07:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps we should add a short summary in the Holy Basil page and link to Tulsi, as we may not be able to dominate it with religious info. (The scientific name is the same but Krishna tulsi does have purple stems - something the holy basil page denies?) -- Pranathi 20:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Botanically they are the same species (at least as of now), but different cultivars. See also Ocimum Shyamal 04:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
As Tulsi has such a rich traditional background in India, I don't think it would be a good idea to merge this page into the Holy Basil one, which is pretty sparse in comparison. Better just to mention both in each article-- GourangaUK 14:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
As it stands, this page says Thai Basil has a green stem and Holy Basil has a purple stem, but the Thai Basil page says Thai Basil has a purple stem. We need a citable reference to solve this problem. Pjrich 04:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Much of the text from the Tulsi page appears to have come from the following copyrighted page: Tulsi: The Holy Power Plant
Specifically:
1. The first paragraph of both articles are nearly identical
2. The 'Tulsi as a Deity' section is word for word the same
3. The 'Tulsi in Legends' section is derived from the article
Even if it's not a copyright violation, the WP version could/should be rewritten or modified. However, it's possible that about.com copied the article from Wikipedia. Any thoughts? ॐ Priyanath 01:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I think it's called Holy Basil in Thailand - this would imply it has religious significance in Buddhism also...?
btw, can a Thai speaker please confirm that Krapow refers to Holy Basil, and not to the regular Thai Basil? Is Holy Basil the literal meaning of Krapow? Thanks. -- Singkong2005 13:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
See my post above, since it also relates to this. ॐ Priyanath 15:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
This should be moved to Tulasi, which would be more neutral and less Hindi-centric. -- Grammatical error 05:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Tulsi to Ocimum tenuiflorum as the result of a move request. WP:TOL states that where ther is "no reasonably unique" common name, the scientific name should be used, and WP:PLANTS recommends the scientific name in almost all cases anyway. -- Stemonitis 11:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
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I have tried to clear up the confusion over the use of the phrase holy basil in reference to Thai food. The confusion stems from the fact that there are actually three types of basil used in Thai food. There is horapa (โหระพา), which is generally referred to in English as Thai basil - this is a type of O. basilicum. Then there is krapao (กะเพรา), which is also generally referred to in English as holy basil, and which is a variety or form of O. tenuiflorum, and then there in maenglak (แมงลัก), which is referred to in English as lemon basil. Unfortunately, to add to the confusion, a lot of people mistakenly refer to horapa as holy basil.
I've changed the 'holy basil' redirect page so that it's now a disambiguation page which points both to 'Ocimum tenuiflorum' and to 'Thai holy basil'. Even though they're just different varieties of the same species, I think it's a good idea to keep the two things separate since the 'Ocimum tenuiflorum' page in its current form is essentially an article on an aspect of religion and it would seem rather confusing then to have sections of the same page referring to cooking.
I don't know a great deal about Thai holy basil myself, other than how to cook it. This is rather why I would like there to be a separate page on it, so that I can find out a little bit more about it. If there is at least a stub then people can contribute and add to it.
Jowiltshire ( talk) 18:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
There is currently no separate Thai Holy Basil page, and there is no mention of the use of Holy Basil in Thai cooking on this page. There needs to be either a section on culinary uses or a separate page that contains this information. Sgrandpre ( talk) 15:34, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
As per the edit I made previously, I deleted the material below from the article. My justification was as follows: (1) the tone was not encyclopedic, (2) it was disorganized, (3) it made medical claims (e.g. "They are also good antidotes for poison") that appeared to be dubious in nature and were not backed up with references. There's probably something that can be gleaned from what was written, but it seemed to be mainly an unsourced expansion of the Ayurvedic medicine section, which is significantly more concise and which contains references. I apologize in advance if I have caused any inconvenience. Sepia officinalis ( talk) 01:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Various appellations of the dark and light varieties of Tulsi — Tulasi, surasa, gramya, sulabha, bahumanjari, apetaraakshasi, gauri, shoolaghni and devadundubhi are some of the Sanskrit appellations of Tulsi, each one of which is significant.
One that has no equal, bears or tolerates no comparison, and so is beyond comparison - Tulasi The rasa or juice of which is best— Suras.
One that flourishes in open land especially in village areas — Gramya.
One that can be obtained easily — Sulabha.
One that bears many clusters of flowers, or inflorescences - Bahumanjari.
One from whose sight rakshasas and sins (which share the evil nature of rakshasas) flee - Apetaraakshasi.
The fair one, the light-coloured one (describing 1ighter coloured variety of Tulsi) — Gauri.
One that destroys (kills) pain—Shoolaghni.
One that gives pleasure to the gods, and so is pleasure-giving as the dundubhi drums — Devadundubhi.
The appellations and qualities of the Barbari variety of Tulsi : Barbari, Tuvari, Tungi, Kharapushpa, Ajagandhika and Parnsa are the Sanskrit appellations of Barbari Tulsi. But the darker variety of Barbari Tulsi is known as Kathinjar or Kutherak. The lighter-coloured variety of Barbari Tulsi is known as Arjak. There is a third variety, of Barbari Tulsi, which is known as Vatapatra. All the three varieties are dry, cool in effect and bitter in taste, cause a burning sensation, are sharp, stimulate appetite are beneficial to the heart, increase the powers of digestion, are easy to digest and stimulate the production of pitta. These varieties of Tulsi are therefore effective in curing excess of kapha, vata, toxaemia, itching and worms. They are also good antidotes for poisons.
The significance of the various names of the Barbari varieties of Tulsi is explained below :
One that accepts a large variety of different kinds of virtues - Barbari.
One whose juice is somewhat bitter, or one that destroys kapha, vayu and toxins - Tuvari.
One that destroys poisons, or one that grows to a great height - Tungi.
One that bears rough, hard flower clusters - Kharapushp.
One that possesses a smell resembling that of goats - Ajagandhika.
One that sheds leaves, or that has a beauteous appearance because of leaves - Parnasa.
One that helps the digestion of even hard materials because of its sharpness and capacity to stimulate digestion - kathinjar, the darker variety of Barbari Tulsi.
One that destroys kapha, vayu, etc. - Kutherak, the darker variety of Barbari Tulsi.
One that confers or acquires a fair complexion - Arjak, the lighter-coloured variety of Barbari Tulsi.
One whose leaves resemble the leaves of the banyan tree - VataPatra, the third variety of Barbari Tulsi.
On 17 Jan 2011 the section In Hinduism was removed by an IP address making his second-ever edit. I propose it be reinstated. Whatever its inadequacies (and in fact it was relatively well-referenced) it treats a very important area. The plant is most widely known as holy basil, and the holy aspect should be covered. Spicemix ( talk) 12:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The article gives an impression that it is available only n Asia. I have seen bundles of Basil stalks with leaves and flower being sold in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. I am given to understand that it is used in the food. I am not a botanist and hence is not sure whether it is the same plant or a related one. It has the same smell and the leaves and flowers look the same. I have also seen dried and crushed basil leaves being sold in the supermarket in Addis Ababa.
May be someone can add information about these. -- K N Unni ( talk) 19:05, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
It is widely grown in Africa and Asia. Thewritegirl ( talk) 11:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Im new to wiki, but this line: " balancing different processes in the body, and helpful for adapting to stress" has the source(footnote) number 16. I just like you to know that that source is invalid, try click it. Also, there is in this article no mention of the negative effect on rats ability to reproduce. It hasnt been tested on humans, but it seems worrying and should be mentioned.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12099405 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1506071 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.130.66.155 ( talk) 23:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
1000 words on a spice and not one mention of what it tastes like? Surely we can do better. Amber388 ( talk)
There are two flavors of which I know. Most varieties smell strongly like Juicy Fruit gum, very sweet and unique. There is also a variety that smells of camphor. The flower stalk bud is pinched off and the aroma breathed. It is known to help stop perspiration odors. My Flatley ( talk) 01:44, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello @ Zefr: I am troubled by your pattern of removal of relevant, referenced, and neutrally phrased material on a large number of organism articles. In this case ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ocimum_tenuiflorum&diff=1067716801&oldid=1066885919) you should be aware that genomics information is interesting in any organism article and if available should not be removed. Invasive Spices ( talk) 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello @ YorkshireExpat: I agree with removing that source however I think Ocimum sanctum should remain because it's the most commonly used synonym. I don't have a source for that however. Invasive Spices ( talk) 2 October 2022 (UTC)
If Tulsi's other name is the Surasa, aka. the daughter of Daksha, that would conflict with her having being the chaste wife of Shankhachuda. So, what does Surasa refer to and why have you listed it here? Stjohn1970 ( talk) 09:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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The section highlighted below was removed because a) the first paper supposes medicinal properties of tulsi - which do not exist (no WP:MEDRS sources support such a claim) - and b) there are no supportive reviews or conclusions from either study that inform the general user about significant biology of this plant.
The genome of the tulsi plant has been sequenced and reported as a draft, estimated to be 612 mega bases, with results showing genes for biosynthesis of anthocyanins in Shyama Tulsi, ursolic acid and eugenol in Rama Tulsi. PMID 26315624 and PMID 31645966. The predicted proteins and other annotations are available.
Zefr ( talk) 14:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Zefr: This is not medical information Special:Diff/1151035883. I added that so I'm quite certain, quite certain that Chen is a SECONDARY and quite certain that biosynthesis is relevant to the article. Additionally Special:Diff/1151039850 are RS, including Yamani which is cited by Mahfooz. Publication by Frontiers doesn't make a source unreliable. Invasive Spices ( talk) 20:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
This revert was justified because a) Molecules is a MDPI journal suspected of predatory publishing - see disclaimer on WP:CITEWATCH #1, and b) the Nepalese source in CPB has a low impact factor (1.9), i.e., it does not have sufficient publishing history or peer review to be trusted. Zefr ( talk) 22:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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If this really is the same as Holy Basil, then Tulsi and Holy Basil should be combined into one page. (I think they are the same, judging by various sources on the net.) Singkong2005 07:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps we should add a short summary in the Holy Basil page and link to Tulsi, as we may not be able to dominate it with religious info. (The scientific name is the same but Krishna tulsi does have purple stems - something the holy basil page denies?) -- Pranathi 20:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Botanically they are the same species (at least as of now), but different cultivars. See also Ocimum Shyamal 04:55, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
As Tulsi has such a rich traditional background in India, I don't think it would be a good idea to merge this page into the Holy Basil one, which is pretty sparse in comparison. Better just to mention both in each article-- GourangaUK 14:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
As it stands, this page says Thai Basil has a green stem and Holy Basil has a purple stem, but the Thai Basil page says Thai Basil has a purple stem. We need a citable reference to solve this problem. Pjrich 04:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Much of the text from the Tulsi page appears to have come from the following copyrighted page: Tulsi: The Holy Power Plant
Specifically:
1. The first paragraph of both articles are nearly identical
2. The 'Tulsi as a Deity' section is word for word the same
3. The 'Tulsi in Legends' section is derived from the article
Even if it's not a copyright violation, the WP version could/should be rewritten or modified. However, it's possible that about.com copied the article from Wikipedia. Any thoughts? ॐ Priyanath 01:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
I think it's called Holy Basil in Thailand - this would imply it has religious significance in Buddhism also...?
btw, can a Thai speaker please confirm that Krapow refers to Holy Basil, and not to the regular Thai Basil? Is Holy Basil the literal meaning of Krapow? Thanks. -- Singkong2005 13:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
See my post above, since it also relates to this. ॐ Priyanath 15:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
This should be moved to Tulasi, which would be more neutral and less Hindi-centric. -- Grammatical error 05:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
This article has been renamed from Tulsi to Ocimum tenuiflorum as the result of a move request. WP:TOL states that where ther is "no reasonably unique" common name, the scientific name should be used, and WP:PLANTS recommends the scientific name in almost all cases anyway. -- Stemonitis 11:51, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
This article talk page was automatically added with {{ WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Food or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. The bot was instructed to tagg these articles upon consenus from WikiProject Food and drink. You can find the related request for tagging here . If you have concerns , please inform on the project talk page -- TinucherianBot ( talk) 11:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I have tried to clear up the confusion over the use of the phrase holy basil in reference to Thai food. The confusion stems from the fact that there are actually three types of basil used in Thai food. There is horapa (โหระพา), which is generally referred to in English as Thai basil - this is a type of O. basilicum. Then there is krapao (กะเพรา), which is also generally referred to in English as holy basil, and which is a variety or form of O. tenuiflorum, and then there in maenglak (แมงลัก), which is referred to in English as lemon basil. Unfortunately, to add to the confusion, a lot of people mistakenly refer to horapa as holy basil.
I've changed the 'holy basil' redirect page so that it's now a disambiguation page which points both to 'Ocimum tenuiflorum' and to 'Thai holy basil'. Even though they're just different varieties of the same species, I think it's a good idea to keep the two things separate since the 'Ocimum tenuiflorum' page in its current form is essentially an article on an aspect of religion and it would seem rather confusing then to have sections of the same page referring to cooking.
I don't know a great deal about Thai holy basil myself, other than how to cook it. This is rather why I would like there to be a separate page on it, so that I can find out a little bit more about it. If there is at least a stub then people can contribute and add to it.
Jowiltshire ( talk) 18:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
There is currently no separate Thai Holy Basil page, and there is no mention of the use of Holy Basil in Thai cooking on this page. There needs to be either a section on culinary uses or a separate page that contains this information. Sgrandpre ( talk) 15:34, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
As per the edit I made previously, I deleted the material below from the article. My justification was as follows: (1) the tone was not encyclopedic, (2) it was disorganized, (3) it made medical claims (e.g. "They are also good antidotes for poison") that appeared to be dubious in nature and were not backed up with references. There's probably something that can be gleaned from what was written, but it seemed to be mainly an unsourced expansion of the Ayurvedic medicine section, which is significantly more concise and which contains references. I apologize in advance if I have caused any inconvenience. Sepia officinalis ( talk) 01:01, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Various appellations of the dark and light varieties of Tulsi — Tulasi, surasa, gramya, sulabha, bahumanjari, apetaraakshasi, gauri, shoolaghni and devadundubhi are some of the Sanskrit appellations of Tulsi, each one of which is significant.
One that has no equal, bears or tolerates no comparison, and so is beyond comparison - Tulasi The rasa or juice of which is best— Suras.
One that flourishes in open land especially in village areas — Gramya.
One that can be obtained easily — Sulabha.
One that bears many clusters of flowers, or inflorescences - Bahumanjari.
One from whose sight rakshasas and sins (which share the evil nature of rakshasas) flee - Apetaraakshasi.
The fair one, the light-coloured one (describing 1ighter coloured variety of Tulsi) — Gauri.
One that destroys (kills) pain—Shoolaghni.
One that gives pleasure to the gods, and so is pleasure-giving as the dundubhi drums — Devadundubhi.
The appellations and qualities of the Barbari variety of Tulsi : Barbari, Tuvari, Tungi, Kharapushpa, Ajagandhika and Parnsa are the Sanskrit appellations of Barbari Tulsi. But the darker variety of Barbari Tulsi is known as Kathinjar or Kutherak. The lighter-coloured variety of Barbari Tulsi is known as Arjak. There is a third variety, of Barbari Tulsi, which is known as Vatapatra. All the three varieties are dry, cool in effect and bitter in taste, cause a burning sensation, are sharp, stimulate appetite are beneficial to the heart, increase the powers of digestion, are easy to digest and stimulate the production of pitta. These varieties of Tulsi are therefore effective in curing excess of kapha, vata, toxaemia, itching and worms. They are also good antidotes for poisons.
The significance of the various names of the Barbari varieties of Tulsi is explained below :
One that accepts a large variety of different kinds of virtues - Barbari.
One whose juice is somewhat bitter, or one that destroys kapha, vayu and toxins - Tuvari.
One that destroys poisons, or one that grows to a great height - Tungi.
One that bears rough, hard flower clusters - Kharapushp.
One that possesses a smell resembling that of goats - Ajagandhika.
One that sheds leaves, or that has a beauteous appearance because of leaves - Parnasa.
One that helps the digestion of even hard materials because of its sharpness and capacity to stimulate digestion - kathinjar, the darker variety of Barbari Tulsi.
One that destroys kapha, vayu, etc. - Kutherak, the darker variety of Barbari Tulsi.
One that confers or acquires a fair complexion - Arjak, the lighter-coloured variety of Barbari Tulsi.
One whose leaves resemble the leaves of the banyan tree - VataPatra, the third variety of Barbari Tulsi.
On 17 Jan 2011 the section In Hinduism was removed by an IP address making his second-ever edit. I propose it be reinstated. Whatever its inadequacies (and in fact it was relatively well-referenced) it treats a very important area. The plant is most widely known as holy basil, and the holy aspect should be covered. Spicemix ( talk) 12:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
The article gives an impression that it is available only n Asia. I have seen bundles of Basil stalks with leaves and flower being sold in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. I am given to understand that it is used in the food. I am not a botanist and hence is not sure whether it is the same plant or a related one. It has the same smell and the leaves and flowers look the same. I have also seen dried and crushed basil leaves being sold in the supermarket in Addis Ababa.
May be someone can add information about these. -- K N Unni ( talk) 19:05, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
It is widely grown in Africa and Asia. Thewritegirl ( talk) 11:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Im new to wiki, but this line: " balancing different processes in the body, and helpful for adapting to stress" has the source(footnote) number 16. I just like you to know that that source is invalid, try click it. Also, there is in this article no mention of the negative effect on rats ability to reproduce. It hasnt been tested on humans, but it seems worrying and should be mentioned.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12099405 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1506071 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.130.66.155 ( talk) 23:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
1000 words on a spice and not one mention of what it tastes like? Surely we can do better. Amber388 ( talk)
There are two flavors of which I know. Most varieties smell strongly like Juicy Fruit gum, very sweet and unique. There is also a variety that smells of camphor. The flower stalk bud is pinched off and the aroma breathed. It is known to help stop perspiration odors. My Flatley ( talk) 01:44, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello @ Zefr: I am troubled by your pattern of removal of relevant, referenced, and neutrally phrased material on a large number of organism articles. In this case ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ocimum_tenuiflorum&diff=1067716801&oldid=1066885919) you should be aware that genomics information is interesting in any organism article and if available should not be removed. Invasive Spices ( talk) 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello @ YorkshireExpat: I agree with removing that source however I think Ocimum sanctum should remain because it's the most commonly used synonym. I don't have a source for that however. Invasive Spices ( talk) 2 October 2022 (UTC)
If Tulsi's other name is the Surasa, aka. the daughter of Daksha, that would conflict with her having being the chaste wife of Shankhachuda. So, what does Surasa refer to and why have you listed it here? Stjohn1970 ( talk) 09:50, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2023 and 21 April 2023. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Bsita200 (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Bsita200 ( talk) 15:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
The section highlighted below was removed because a) the first paper supposes medicinal properties of tulsi - which do not exist (no WP:MEDRS sources support such a claim) - and b) there are no supportive reviews or conclusions from either study that inform the general user about significant biology of this plant.
The genome of the tulsi plant has been sequenced and reported as a draft, estimated to be 612 mega bases, with results showing genes for biosynthesis of anthocyanins in Shyama Tulsi, ursolic acid and eugenol in Rama Tulsi. PMID 26315624 and PMID 31645966. The predicted proteins and other annotations are available.
Zefr ( talk) 14:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello @ Zefr: This is not medical information Special:Diff/1151035883. I added that so I'm quite certain, quite certain that Chen is a SECONDARY and quite certain that biosynthesis is relevant to the article. Additionally Special:Diff/1151039850 are RS, including Yamani which is cited by Mahfooz. Publication by Frontiers doesn't make a source unreliable. Invasive Spices ( talk) 20:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
This revert was justified because a) Molecules is a MDPI journal suspected of predatory publishing - see disclaimer on WP:CITEWATCH #1, and b) the Nepalese source in CPB has a low impact factor (1.9), i.e., it does not have sufficient publishing history or peer review to be trusted. Zefr ( talk) 22:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)