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Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has also voiced his support for OWS and the possibility of him joining the movement when it reaches DC. http://www.nationofchange.org/bernie-sanders-and-keith-olbermann-celebrate-wall-street-protests-1317392475 I think this should probably be noted.-- 132.198.76.149 ( talk) 15:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Done
Can somebody delete the article: "Occupy Wall Street Manifesto" It was made a few days ago, but nobody has done any thing with it and I am concerned that the objective of what the user who created it for may in some way violate Wikipedia policy.
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Is the 2010 Inside Job (film) related to this event(s)? 99.119.128.87 ( talk) 23:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
From http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/G373 Editorial Cartoons of USA Today by Nate Beeler, The Washington Examiner, Cagle Cartoons October 5, 2011 (2 of 4) ... Year 1967 "Occupy Dean's Office: Draft Card burning", Year 2011 "Occupy Wall Street" (burning documents) with apparent Golden Baby boomer protesting "Son, please! Hasn't your old man's 401(k) suffered enough?!?"" (a Generation gap reference). 99.119.128.87 ( talk) 00:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
We'll need some users to add stuff about it later when the news picks up on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOMlDVaXzc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.72.132 ( talk) 02:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
http://gothamist.com/2011/10/05/video_nypd_breaks_out_pepper_spray.php
More sites should report it tomorrow, this did just happen a few hours ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.72.132 ( talk) 04:20, 6 October 2011 (UTC) http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/occupy-wall-street-protest-broadens-scope-20111005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.72.132 ( talk) 04:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Here is The Post's coverage, which slants it as "Protests turn violent". The clip from the TV newsguy is funny - him and his cameraman get clubbed and maced and he seems so nonchalant about it. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/it_brawl_street_WGonUcuHz7WBlnQZeK7gWK LoveUxoxo ( talk) 17:36, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I've seen two images which provide a layout of the area of Zuccotti Park and would like to put forward that these can be used as the basis for an image created by an editor with .SVG skills and donated to WikiCommons. NYC General Assembly has provided this .pdf graphic on their website on September 29, 2011. More recently the blog provided this city planning image on October 4, 2011. A newer layout has been created by the Wall Street Journal How Occupy Wall Street Turned Zuccotti Park Into a Protest Camp. This was published on October 5, 2011.
If anyone is skilled, or knows someone who would be able to put their skills to our needs, providing an updated image based on the Wall Street Journal's reference would greatly benefit this article, as well as the article on Zuccotti Park. -- Cast ( talk) 03:11, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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Add Austin and Dallas to the list of cities also protesting
65.36.77.138 ( talk) 16:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Is America undergoing a Proletarian Revolution? The Occupy Wall Street protests certainly fulfill all the hallmarks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valheol ( talk • contribs) 16:54, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it is. http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ Look through the General Assembly website. 152.131.9.132 ( talk) 20:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
The protest turned violent when 20-30 protestors rushed a police barricade:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/06/dozens-arrested-in-wall-street-protests-as-rallies-spread-across-hudson/?intcmp=trending http://www.kgoam810.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=118&itemid=29735473
Can someone please add that in to the timeline? 152.131.9.132 ( talk) 17:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
That needs to be fixed...it is not a pepper spraying incident. Some of the protesters were attacked police. This article needs to be fixed so NPOV is used. It makes police look heavy handed and the protesters like followers of Ghandi and that is not the case. 173.174.212.164 ( talk) 12:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
US labor unions set to join Wall Street protests by Ellen Wulfhorst in New York for Reuters October 5, 2011 4:05pm EDT; including Amalgamated Transit Union. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 20:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Don't know if this should be included here. [1]. Lots of peeps in downtown right now at 7th and Figueroa. They want the banks to stop foreclosures and federal govt to extend unemployment benefits. Malke 2010 ( talk) 21:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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In the third paragraph of the Occupy Wall Street basic description, there is a sentence listing many cities that have also started "occupying." Austin, TX has also started occupying in front of City Hall starting October 6, 2011. Please add Austin to the the list. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/occupy-austin-takes-over-city-hall
72.179.50.207 ( talk) 21:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I just now added a section under "Participants" that deals with the organization of the movement. While it is clearly "leaderless" in many aspects, I have also read many articles about how there are various stations (medical, media, food) and other self-organized processes. Just wanted to add a discussion section in case anyone wants to discuss what should be added. I think it is notable because just saying "it is whatever and stuff" is not really true to how OWS functions. Clearly there are leader-like spokespeople and division of labor occurring. I have cited reputable sources that I was able to find so far... Peace, MPS ( talk) 21:45, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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Sacramento, CA's protests began October 6th as well. Please list in the 6th city names.
99.91.185.43 ( talk) 22:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if the prior image was in the context of a news report or broadcast, or showed the signage, or showed more than one woman. I added commentary by Bill Maher, and a two-shot, as broadcast, which shows two women with the full text of their protest signs fully legible, specifically as an example of non-mainstream coverage. Earlier in the same broadcast, the protests were lauded by several guests as correct and brave, including Salmon Rushdie - perhaps that should be added.
Comments above indicated "not culturally comprehensible" around the world, and "possibly offensive". We're not responsible for the whole world, just the English-reading world. Articles in other Wikipedias can censor them there all they want. More on my point, anyone who has read history knows of women baring themselves in public in direct challenge to orthodoxy, in grief, and in appeal to mercy. This contemporaneous example, in the larger context of Western civilization, is no different. But it turns out not to matter here. Our job and quest is to neutrally report what sources say. If a RS has commented on the female protestors, and the use of their images in the media, by all means, let's report that, (addendum: and RS-sourced opposition) too. --
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I agree with Jusdafax. It's not just undue weight on the tiny handful of nude/semi-nude protesters, but undue weight on Maher's commentary. He's just one comedian among several with TV shows who commented, and for no reason I can tell his comment is included as a direct quote. Also, no one really expects to see breasts in an article about a political protest. Including a fair use photo (esp. when there are hundreds of free ones available) of tits violates the principle of least astonishment, distorts the perspectives about the protest, and I think violates NPOV by implying that the protestors are the kind of fringe political element that runs around in public nude. To conclude: wrong for a whole host of reasons. Steven Walling • talk 03:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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change "Washington $0.25" to "Washington raises $0.25" Nick.yarosz ( talk) 23:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
It is possible to say that the current (2011 -) Occupy Wall Street civil movement marks the beginnings of a major global proletarian revolution. If so, we may be witnessing the largest proletarian revolution in the history of humankind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution#Communist_revolutions_throughout_history — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ponderexistence ( talk • contribs) 01:54, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Just so you know. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 03:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
It should be noted in the first paragraph that there is another protest in Fresno, CA. There is a list in the first paragraph that i cannot edit. Fresno should be on the list. Its called Occupy Fresno. It has a facebook page and is organized by Peace Fresno. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.14.85.95 ( talk) 04:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
I worked on the Portland one. It's looking pretty good. There are probably a number of other ones. Should we create a category or something? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 04:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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there is an improperly formatted link to a right-wing, out-of-context YouTube video stuck next to Obama's name. Please remove this link. The video is completely misleading and irrelevant to the article. thx
ps looks like it is already fixed -- thx
68.183.238.154 ( talk) 04:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Considering there are protests all over the country now, I would like to suggest that this article no longer presents a global view of the subject. While it is still a protest in New York City, it has morphed into a national protest movement, with branches forming or present in every major U.S. city I could think to Google after the word "occupy". I really think we need to cover the national aspects of this better, and I'm sure there are notable events occurring in other cities that could be mentioned. Daughter article, perhaps? -- Pstanton ( talk) 08:20, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Other wp articles claim the slogan was a reference to the famous "Wir sind das Volk"("We are the people") East-Berlin protests in 1989 which lead to the collapse of the Berlin Wall. -- Rebestein ( talk) 09:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
I am reading Occupy Wall Street Wikipedia page, good job! Can I make a couple suggestions? Searches for 'Occupy Movement' or (for example) 'Occupy Ventura' (my home) do not bring you directly to Occupy Wall Street page. It would be good to keep up to date on all the local movements, and have them listed on that page. Also, a page for the 1% should be made, and include as much specific information as possible, about who, specifically 'they' are (they will hate that), and what kind of excesses they live with, and most importantly - (specific again when possible) how they use their money to manipulate politics and the economy. Koch brothers are the obvious example, but there have to be more, less know ones that people don't know about (I don't know who they are). Trump should be in there too, but to me, he is more of a clown than anything else. Dug — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dugjohann ( talk • contribs) 15:55, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm by no means an expert on the use of Facebook for protest movements, but it seems that there are protests being planned for many more locations than the ones listed here... It seems that there are a number of Facebook pages ("communities", "events", "cause", etc., all starting with "Occupy" and then the location), most of them linked to a greater "Occupy Together" page ( http://www.facebook.com/#!/OccupyTogether; apparently it has more than twice as many likes as OWS' page). Many of these don't have many followers (though, for comparison, while the Syrian Revolution has nearly .3 million likes, the Egyptian Revolution page with the highest viewership has only 5600 likes, though I acknowledge they aren't necessarily good for comparison). I read on OWS' page that Occupy Baltimore would be initiating there occupation today, and I believe the others mostly represent protests in the planning. As was apparently explained on one, first they found the page, and once it starts to get support, they start to set dates.
Many of these have thousands of likes, and are set for their first events this weekend (mostly large US cities not yet mentioned on the page). Perhaps the global movement of Occupy Together (there are notable pages for not only Canada and Puerto Rico, but also Tokyo, Europe and Berlin, for example) should at least get a mention on the page.
Also, we might note this page ( http://www.facebook.com/#!/Op.Revolution.France?sk=info) about a similar movement in France, apparently making reference/linking to both the Occupations and the Spanish protests. It has a considerable viewership apparently. -- Yalens ( talk) 17:42, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
how about creating a with all the protest happening all across the u by the starting ate an all the proteters an all of the arrests?-- Nrpf22pr ( talk) 19:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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I want to add one more country where the pacific protest is taking form. The following will be: Puerto Rico
There is a group of people who will start to occupy the capital of Puerto Rico in Oct. 15.
Thank you.
Aerisvirella ( talk) 19:16, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Wall Street protest functions like a small city by Karen Matthews of the Associated Press 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 21:40, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
I assumed this was a wry joke ("The New York Police Department provides security for the protesters")? If not, well, I don't see the point, it's just stating the obvious that the area is under NYPD jurisdiction. When anything can be sourced about anyone acting on behalf of OWS participants in a role of docent, steward, marshall, etc. we should put that in. LoveUxoxo ( talk) 03:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC) Alternatively we could title the section "Policing", but again I don't see the need for it. The article can only be better with less trivial stuff like this, especially when it involves so many sub-sub-sub sections. LoveUxoxo ( talk) 03:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
I find the article to have an inconsistent treatment of the politics of the demonstrators. It says "The protests have brought together people of many political positions including Democrats, libertarians, anarchists,[4] and socialists". This is fine, however, the source used for this information also gives equal weight to one of the supporters being "Conservative". My suggestion is to either list Conservative as one of the groups represented or not to list any specific political factions at all. The reality of the protests seems to be a lack of political specificity.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Neap24 ( talk • contribs) 13:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Per the above discussion, the Media section has been restored. But it's a severely neutered one at the moment. So I've rewritten most of it, adding back some information that was lost in the process. But I tried to stick to sources Viriditas advocated, per another discussion above.
Before I include such a large edit to a contentious section, I thought I'd post it here for commentary and work first. (::ahem:: a practice I would advocate, please.) If you have issues with it, look at it as a first draft and tell me what to change.
-- Qwerty0 ( talk) 07:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
There is a spelling error in the heading "media responce" -- 60.242.29.171 ( talk) 09:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
What should we do with "garbage journalism", false associations without evidences, naive simplifications and generalisations, and general attacks of journalists against the movement or some political actors, such :
I agree that these statements may be sourced (<ref name="mediaite" />), but the journalist statement is a pure stupidity, POV, based on nothing. So despite the source, I removed the statement above, and encourage similar clean up ! Yug (talk) 10:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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[Anyone and any media] who says he has no idea what these folks are protesting is not being truthful. Whether we agree with them or not, we all know what they are upset about, and we all know that there are investment bankers working on Wall Street getting richer while things for most of the rest of us are getting tougher. [7]
You are a very nice person and I don't want to hurt your feelings, but your English is not very good. Would you mind deleting it and letting us help you with it before you put it back? The people that read Wikipedia do not know that your native language is French - it just looks like you are poorly educated to them, which reflects poorly on the article and the editors. I would go ahead and do it but it will take some time and I'm not even sure what you are trying to get across in some instances.
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help). In an article which is all about Burnett biases over OWS, it's basically talking about a conflict of interest. However, in the video that I later saw, Burnett seems more to make some cool and populist acide jokes over OWS protesters than really transform the reality. In anyway, my wording is excessive = remove. Thanks for your checking.
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[Anyone and any media] who says he has no idea what these folks are protesting is not being truthful. Whether we agree with them or not, we all know what they are upset about, and we all know that there are investment bankers working on Wall Street getting richer while things for most of the rest of us are getting tougher. [7]
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Please correct directly, it's a wiki. Yug (talk) 05:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
[Anyone and any media] who says he has no idea what these folks are protesting is not being truthful. Whether we agree with them or not, we all know what they are upset about, and we all know that there are investment bankers working on Wall Street getting richer while things for most of the rest of us are getting tougher. [1]
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Holdithigh ( talk) 19:23, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, everybody. I am extremely new to editing wikipedia, but I am just writing to say that I have a higher resolution version of the poster image. Requesting permission to upload it, or at least email to someone who will put it up for me. Whatever it takes to bolster the cause. Thank you!
Please edit the reference to Ron Paul.
"U.S. Congressman and 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) expressed his support for the core demands of protests"
The citation DOES NOT support this claim. The quotes in the article do not support this statement. They speak about his feelings in regard to the pepper-spray incident and his general feeling of support for the act of protest. The specific quote I imagine the author to be referencing as support for the article's claim ("If they were demonstrating peacefully, and making a point, and arguing our case, and drawing attention to the Fed — I would say, good!" Paul said following a town-hall meeting in New Hampshire.") does not say that Ron Paul supports the "core beliefs" of the OWS movement. This misrepresents Dr. Paul's political views and should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djhurt77 ( talk • contribs) 15:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
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Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has also voiced his support for OWS and the possibility of him joining the movement when it reaches DC. http://www.nationofchange.org/bernie-sanders-and-keith-olbermann-celebrate-wall-street-protests-1317392475 I think this should probably be noted.-- 132.198.76.149 ( talk) 15:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Done
Can somebody delete the article: "Occupy Wall Street Manifesto" It was made a few days ago, but nobody has done any thing with it and I am concerned that the objective of what the user who created it for may in some way violate Wikipedia policy.
141.165.41.189 (
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Is the 2010 Inside Job (film) related to this event(s)? 99.119.128.87 ( talk) 23:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
From http://mediagallery.usatoday.com/G373 Editorial Cartoons of USA Today by Nate Beeler, The Washington Examiner, Cagle Cartoons October 5, 2011 (2 of 4) ... Year 1967 "Occupy Dean's Office: Draft Card burning", Year 2011 "Occupy Wall Street" (burning documents) with apparent Golden Baby boomer protesting "Son, please! Hasn't your old man's 401(k) suffered enough?!?"" (a Generation gap reference). 99.119.128.87 ( talk) 00:07, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
We'll need some users to add stuff about it later when the news picks up on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpOMlDVaXzc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.72.132 ( talk) 02:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
http://gothamist.com/2011/10/05/video_nypd_breaks_out_pepper_spray.php
More sites should report it tomorrow, this did just happen a few hours ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.72.132 ( talk) 04:20, 6 October 2011 (UTC) http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/occupy-wall-street-protest-broadens-scope-20111005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.72.132 ( talk) 04:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Here is The Post's coverage, which slants it as "Protests turn violent". The clip from the TV newsguy is funny - him and his cameraman get clubbed and maced and he seems so nonchalant about it. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/it_brawl_street_WGonUcuHz7WBlnQZeK7gWK LoveUxoxo ( talk) 17:36, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I've seen two images which provide a layout of the area of Zuccotti Park and would like to put forward that these can be used as the basis for an image created by an editor with .SVG skills and donated to WikiCommons. NYC General Assembly has provided this .pdf graphic on their website on September 29, 2011. More recently the blog provided this city planning image on October 4, 2011. A newer layout has been created by the Wall Street Journal How Occupy Wall Street Turned Zuccotti Park Into a Protest Camp. This was published on October 5, 2011.
If anyone is skilled, or knows someone who would be able to put their skills to our needs, providing an updated image based on the Wall Street Journal's reference would greatly benefit this article, as well as the article on Zuccotti Park. -- Cast ( talk) 03:11, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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Add Austin and Dallas to the list of cities also protesting
65.36.77.138 ( talk) 16:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Is America undergoing a Proletarian Revolution? The Occupy Wall Street protests certainly fulfill all the hallmarks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valheol ( talk • contribs) 16:54, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it is. http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/ Look through the General Assembly website. 152.131.9.132 ( talk) 20:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
The protest turned violent when 20-30 protestors rushed a police barricade:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/06/dozens-arrested-in-wall-street-protests-as-rallies-spread-across-hudson/?intcmp=trending http://www.kgoam810.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=118&itemid=29735473
Can someone please add that in to the timeline? 152.131.9.132 ( talk) 17:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
That needs to be fixed...it is not a pepper spraying incident. Some of the protesters were attacked police. This article needs to be fixed so NPOV is used. It makes police look heavy handed and the protesters like followers of Ghandi and that is not the case. 173.174.212.164 ( talk) 12:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
US labor unions set to join Wall Street protests by Ellen Wulfhorst in New York for Reuters October 5, 2011 4:05pm EDT; including Amalgamated Transit Union. 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 20:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Don't know if this should be included here. [1]. Lots of peeps in downtown right now at 7th and Figueroa. They want the banks to stop foreclosures and federal govt to extend unemployment benefits. Malke 2010 ( talk) 21:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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In the third paragraph of the Occupy Wall Street basic description, there is a sentence listing many cities that have also started "occupying." Austin, TX has also started occupying in front of City Hall starting October 6, 2011. Please add Austin to the the list. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/occupy-austin-takes-over-city-hall
72.179.50.207 ( talk) 21:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I just now added a section under "Participants" that deals with the organization of the movement. While it is clearly "leaderless" in many aspects, I have also read many articles about how there are various stations (medical, media, food) and other self-organized processes. Just wanted to add a discussion section in case anyone wants to discuss what should be added. I think it is notable because just saying "it is whatever and stuff" is not really true to how OWS functions. Clearly there are leader-like spokespeople and division of labor occurring. I have cited reputable sources that I was able to find so far... Peace, MPS ( talk) 21:45, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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Sacramento, CA's protests began October 6th as well. Please list in the 6th city names.
99.91.185.43 ( talk) 22:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if the prior image was in the context of a news report or broadcast, or showed the signage, or showed more than one woman. I added commentary by Bill Maher, and a two-shot, as broadcast, which shows two women with the full text of their protest signs fully legible, specifically as an example of non-mainstream coverage. Earlier in the same broadcast, the protests were lauded by several guests as correct and brave, including Salmon Rushdie - perhaps that should be added.
Comments above indicated "not culturally comprehensible" around the world, and "possibly offensive". We're not responsible for the whole world, just the English-reading world. Articles in other Wikipedias can censor them there all they want. More on my point, anyone who has read history knows of women baring themselves in public in direct challenge to orthodoxy, in grief, and in appeal to mercy. This contemporaneous example, in the larger context of Western civilization, is no different. But it turns out not to matter here. Our job and quest is to neutrally report what sources say. If a RS has commented on the female protestors, and the use of their images in the media, by all means, let's report that, (addendum: and RS-sourced opposition) too. --
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I agree with Jusdafax. It's not just undue weight on the tiny handful of nude/semi-nude protesters, but undue weight on Maher's commentary. He's just one comedian among several with TV shows who commented, and for no reason I can tell his comment is included as a direct quote. Also, no one really expects to see breasts in an article about a political protest. Including a fair use photo (esp. when there are hundreds of free ones available) of tits violates the principle of least astonishment, distorts the perspectives about the protest, and I think violates NPOV by implying that the protestors are the kind of fringe political element that runs around in public nude. To conclude: wrong for a whole host of reasons. Steven Walling • talk 03:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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change "Washington $0.25" to "Washington raises $0.25" Nick.yarosz ( talk) 23:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
It is possible to say that the current (2011 -) Occupy Wall Street civil movement marks the beginnings of a major global proletarian revolution. If so, we may be witnessing the largest proletarian revolution in the history of humankind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_revolution#Communist_revolutions_throughout_history — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ponderexistence ( talk • contribs) 01:54, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Just so you know. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 03:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
It should be noted in the first paragraph that there is another protest in Fresno, CA. There is a list in the first paragraph that i cannot edit. Fresno should be on the list. Its called Occupy Fresno. It has a facebook page and is organized by Peace Fresno. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.14.85.95 ( talk) 04:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
I worked on the Portland one. It's looking pretty good. There are probably a number of other ones. Should we create a category or something? - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 04:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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there is an improperly formatted link to a right-wing, out-of-context YouTube video stuck next to Obama's name. Please remove this link. The video is completely misleading and irrelevant to the article. thx
ps looks like it is already fixed -- thx
68.183.238.154 ( talk) 04:51, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Considering there are protests all over the country now, I would like to suggest that this article no longer presents a global view of the subject. While it is still a protest in New York City, it has morphed into a national protest movement, with branches forming or present in every major U.S. city I could think to Google after the word "occupy". I really think we need to cover the national aspects of this better, and I'm sure there are notable events occurring in other cities that could be mentioned. Daughter article, perhaps? -- Pstanton ( talk) 08:20, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Other wp articles claim the slogan was a reference to the famous "Wir sind das Volk"("We are the people") East-Berlin protests in 1989 which lead to the collapse of the Berlin Wall. -- Rebestein ( talk) 09:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
I am reading Occupy Wall Street Wikipedia page, good job! Can I make a couple suggestions? Searches for 'Occupy Movement' or (for example) 'Occupy Ventura' (my home) do not bring you directly to Occupy Wall Street page. It would be good to keep up to date on all the local movements, and have them listed on that page. Also, a page for the 1% should be made, and include as much specific information as possible, about who, specifically 'they' are (they will hate that), and what kind of excesses they live with, and most importantly - (specific again when possible) how they use their money to manipulate politics and the economy. Koch brothers are the obvious example, but there have to be more, less know ones that people don't know about (I don't know who they are). Trump should be in there too, but to me, he is more of a clown than anything else. Dug — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dugjohann ( talk • contribs) 15:55, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm by no means an expert on the use of Facebook for protest movements, but it seems that there are protests being planned for many more locations than the ones listed here... It seems that there are a number of Facebook pages ("communities", "events", "cause", etc., all starting with "Occupy" and then the location), most of them linked to a greater "Occupy Together" page ( http://www.facebook.com/#!/OccupyTogether; apparently it has more than twice as many likes as OWS' page). Many of these don't have many followers (though, for comparison, while the Syrian Revolution has nearly .3 million likes, the Egyptian Revolution page with the highest viewership has only 5600 likes, though I acknowledge they aren't necessarily good for comparison). I read on OWS' page that Occupy Baltimore would be initiating there occupation today, and I believe the others mostly represent protests in the planning. As was apparently explained on one, first they found the page, and once it starts to get support, they start to set dates.
Many of these have thousands of likes, and are set for their first events this weekend (mostly large US cities not yet mentioned on the page). Perhaps the global movement of Occupy Together (there are notable pages for not only Canada and Puerto Rico, but also Tokyo, Europe and Berlin, for example) should at least get a mention on the page.
Also, we might note this page ( http://www.facebook.com/#!/Op.Revolution.France?sk=info) about a similar movement in France, apparently making reference/linking to both the Occupations and the Spanish protests. It has a considerable viewership apparently. -- Yalens ( talk) 17:42, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
how about creating a with all the protest happening all across the u by the starting ate an all the proteters an all of the arrests?-- Nrpf22pr ( talk) 19:14, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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I want to add one more country where the pacific protest is taking form. The following will be: Puerto Rico
There is a group of people who will start to occupy the capital of Puerto Rico in Oct. 15.
Thank you.
Aerisvirella ( talk) 19:16, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Wall Street protest functions like a small city by Karen Matthews of the Associated Press 97.87.29.188 ( talk) 21:40, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
I assumed this was a wry joke ("The New York Police Department provides security for the protesters")? If not, well, I don't see the point, it's just stating the obvious that the area is under NYPD jurisdiction. When anything can be sourced about anyone acting on behalf of OWS participants in a role of docent, steward, marshall, etc. we should put that in. LoveUxoxo ( talk) 03:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC) Alternatively we could title the section "Policing", but again I don't see the need for it. The article can only be better with less trivial stuff like this, especially when it involves so many sub-sub-sub sections. LoveUxoxo ( talk) 03:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
I find the article to have an inconsistent treatment of the politics of the demonstrators. It says "The protests have brought together people of many political positions including Democrats, libertarians, anarchists,[4] and socialists". This is fine, however, the source used for this information also gives equal weight to one of the supporters being "Conservative". My suggestion is to either list Conservative as one of the groups represented or not to list any specific political factions at all. The reality of the protests seems to be a lack of political specificity.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Neap24 ( talk • contribs) 13:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Per the above discussion, the Media section has been restored. But it's a severely neutered one at the moment. So I've rewritten most of it, adding back some information that was lost in the process. But I tried to stick to sources Viriditas advocated, per another discussion above.
Before I include such a large edit to a contentious section, I thought I'd post it here for commentary and work first. (::ahem:: a practice I would advocate, please.) If you have issues with it, look at it as a first draft and tell me what to change.
-- Qwerty0 ( talk) 07:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
There is a spelling error in the heading "media responce" -- 60.242.29.171 ( talk) 09:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
What should we do with "garbage journalism", false associations without evidences, naive simplifications and generalisations, and general attacks of journalists against the movement or some political actors, such :
I agree that these statements may be sourced (<ref name="mediaite" />), but the journalist statement is a pure stupidity, POV, based on nothing. So despite the source, I removed the statement above, and encourage similar clean up ! Yug (talk) 10:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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[Anyone and any media] who says he has no idea what these folks are protesting is not being truthful. Whether we agree with them or not, we all know what they are upset about, and we all know that there are investment bankers working on Wall Street getting richer while things for most of the rest of us are getting tougher. [7]
You are a very nice person and I don't want to hurt your feelings, but your English is not very good. Would you mind deleting it and letting us help you with it before you put it back? The people that read Wikipedia do not know that your native language is French - it just looks like you are poorly educated to them, which reflects poorly on the article and the editors. I would go ahead and do it but it will take some time and I'm not even sure what you are trying to get across in some instances.
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help). In an article which is all about Burnett biases over OWS, it's basically talking about a conflict of interest. However, in the video that I later saw, Burnett seems more to make some cool and populist acide jokes over OWS protesters than really transform the reality. In anyway, my wording is excessive = remove. Thanks for your checking.
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[Anyone and any media] who says he has no idea what these folks are protesting is not being truthful. Whether we agree with them or not, we all know what they are upset about, and we all know that there are investment bankers working on Wall Street getting richer while things for most of the rest of us are getting tougher. [7]
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Please correct directly, it's a wiki. Yug (talk) 05:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
[Anyone and any media] who says he has no idea what these folks are protesting is not being truthful. Whether we agree with them or not, we all know what they are upset about, and we all know that there are investment bankers working on Wall Street getting richer while things for most of the rest of us are getting tougher. [1]
Gandydancer ( talk) 23:56, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Holdithigh ( talk) 19:23, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello, everybody. I am extremely new to editing wikipedia, but I am just writing to say that I have a higher resolution version of the poster image. Requesting permission to upload it, or at least email to someone who will put it up for me. Whatever it takes to bolster the cause. Thank you!
Please edit the reference to Ron Paul.
"U.S. Congressman and 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) expressed his support for the core demands of protests"
The citation DOES NOT support this claim. The quotes in the article do not support this statement. They speak about his feelings in regard to the pepper-spray incident and his general feeling of support for the act of protest. The specific quote I imagine the author to be referencing as support for the article's claim ("If they were demonstrating peacefully, and making a point, and arguing our case, and drawing attention to the Fed — I would say, good!" Paul said following a town-hall meeting in New Hampshire.") does not say that Ron Paul supports the "core beliefs" of the OWS movement. This misrepresents Dr. Paul's political views and should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djhurt77 ( talk • contribs) 15:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
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