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Prior to this article, I was unaware of the existance of Scottish oatcakes. I have seen North Staffordshire oatcakes sold everywhere, from Cornwall to Rhyl and I know of some people in Scotland who claim to have seen North Staffs. Most people I speak to from outside Stoke-on-Trent have no knowledge of the Scottish oatcake either, but have are aware of the North Staffs one. User:MysticalDescent
This article is misleading as it stands, as Scottish oatcakes are far better known.
Bovlb 04:22, 2005 Jan 12 (UTC)
Perhaps this is beacause I am from Scotland but I'd never even heard of 'North Staffordshire oatcakes' until I read this page. It's not like I'm up in the highlands, I grew up a mile away from the border but I've never heard anyone mention them or seen them referrenced written down anywhere. Perhpas they are better known than scottish ones, but I thought oatcakes were a Scottish stereotype, and most people seem to know the stereotypes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.71.145 ( talk) 19:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
an oakcake is definately not a type of pancake. The north staffs oatcake is the true form of the 'oakcake'. (Unsigned comment by anonymous reader moved here from the article.)
Just a thought - the Staffs oatcake is not really a delicacy; more a staple food
Alsager boy
12:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
At the risk of annoying Staffordshire readers, I really think the section dealing with Scottish oatcakes should come first, since they're widely available and known in other parts of the UK, whereas the N Staffs version seems to be very much a local speciality. I'm also inclined to remove the sentence saying the recipe "is a secret", since (without any further qualification) that's clearly not the case: see here for example. I'm sure individual bakers have their own secret recipes, but that applies to any number of foods and is not a remarkable feature of the N Staffs oatcake. Loganberry ( Talk) 00:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Im a stoke lad, and eat oatcakes for breakfast, dinner and tea. As do most of my friends. On our last college trip the hostel we were staying in got us oatcakes, yes you can get them anwhere. Only the thing is guess where they were sent from :P I know lads in sweden and many other countries all over the world that have oatcakes delivered to them from stoke. Just because you can get olives in sainsburys dont make them not from Italy or whatever :D For some real info on oatcakes (and unfortunately portvale visit www.oatcakes.net) I eat there oatcakes!
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Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png]] Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 08:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Additionally, the only Derbyshire oatcakes I've encountered are much the same size, but much thicker.
Can I suggest that although regional, the Staffs-style oatcake has a broad spread across the northern midlands . I grew up on a Yorkshire variant of the Derbys./Staffs oatcakes in Sheffield in the 1970s and 80s. (discussion and recipe on Sheffield Forum). I also think they were sparingly available in Manchester in the 90s. Sheffield Forum's suggestion that oatcakes are also know as havercakes in other parts of Yorkshire, along with the link to the Duke of Wellington's Regiment might bear some investigation. 84.68.23.186 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC).
I propose that the entire section on Staffordshire oatcakes be moved to the Crumpets article instead, which features Scottish crumpets/pancakes. These are extraordinarily similar to Staffs oatcakes, despite oats being the primary ingredient not wheat. There is much more similarity and relatedness between Staffs oatcakes and Scottish crumpets, than between Staffs oatcakes and Scottish oatcakes, which are entirely different things : the former is a kind of pancake, the latter is a type of biscuit. 88.105.161.86 ( talk) 21:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi...I am looking for info on the California Oatcakes you find in the cafes of San Francisco and many other areas. They are similar to a hockey puck shape and are dense. I believe they have dates in them as well. It's been 15 years since I had one, and I live on the East Coast, so looking to see if anyone is familiar with these cakes and how they're made.
So, how can we classify something like this? I'd put forth biscuit, but I'm thinking I just have a fondness for the term. Small cake? File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 04:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
For the British view on crackers see http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/index.php3 which should leave you in no doubt that Scottish oatcakes are crackers whichever side of the Atlantic you live on. -- Derek Ross | Talk
So I know what a nice real Scots Oatcake is like, and it quite resembles a cracker. However, its make-up is that of a pancake. Not in the flapjack sense that Americans would think of, but in the sense that an Oatcake is a cake of oats, cooked in a pan, or on a skillet. Thus, pancake, which is how that is meant. Just because Scots (rightly, I might add) refrain from adding yeast, or other things which would liven up the cake, does not make it any less of a pancake. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 01:44, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
The oatcake is not a cake at all really Not a cake in that way More of a Potteries Poppadom A sort of Tunstall Tortilla A clay Suzette
Arthur Berry
Hmmm. I've just thought. Oatcakes are barbecue food. By which I mean they would be dead easy to make on the barbecue when I'm cooking other stuff. Time for an experiment tomorrow! -- Derek Ross | Talk 05:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly given the shared cultural background and similar environment of Ireland and Scotland, oatcakes are pretty common in Ireland and are virtually indistinguishable from scottish oatcakes (Staffs. ones are unknown, sorry guys...). Not sure it's worth mentioning -anyway here's a trivially googled example - as it's for export, they're called "Irish oatcakes" rather than just "oatcakes" as an Irish or Scots person would say: http://www.irishgourmet.co.uk/product_info.php/cPath/22_23/products_id/177 Worthy of inclusion in-page? Meh. 83.70.219.237 17:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
What does the expression "19-oatcake" mean? Pimlottc 13:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Effectively "a long time ago". For example "back in 19 oatcake when my granny was wee...". The expression was used a lot in The Broons and Oor Wullie, although I think they tended to say "18 oatcake". I guess its a joking reference to some vague time around eighteen-o-one, eighteen-o-two...eighteen-o-atcake. Probably not very pertinent to this article though. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 14:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes it's pretty widespread, I use it myself. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 09:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm 40 and lived in Stoke-on-Trent all my life. I have never even heard of anyone steaming oatcakes between two plates or any other method. They are generally grilled. It is personal taste whether both sides are grilled or not. I personally grill the outer side (the side with the least holes) then flip it over and put cheese on it. I have asked my 84 year old grandmother who has lived in Stoke-on-Trent all her life. She has confirmed with me that she has never heard of anyone steaming an Oatcake. This is very misleading and needs to be removed.
Shroomsxxxx ( talk) 16:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, the section that reads:
"They are made almost entirely of oats, the only cereal to flourish in northern Scotland. Traditionally, each community had its own mill to grind oats from local crofts and supply oatmeal for every household."
is total PLAGIARISM!! These wordings come straight off the box of Walker's Oatcakes. I know, because I just at some oatcakes and was reading the print of the box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.0.232 ( talk) 14:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Confirmed. This sentence is taken verbatim from the Walker's Oatcakes packaging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.30.161 ( talk) 02:35, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
What type of oatcake is the one featured in the new picture? It doesn't look anything like any Scottish oatcake I have seen in my life and, although I'm unfamiliar with them, it doesn't look much like the Staffordshire version either. I'm not sure it even looks much like it is made of oats. Is it a third species? Mutt Lunker ( talk) 22:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes but what type of oatcake? It does not look typical to me but it may well be of a type not covered yet in the article, in which case can you clarify? Mutt Lunker ( talk) 08:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I changed 'girdle' to 'griddle'. Apparently the correct Scots term is 'girdle' - so it clearly does belong in the article. But linking 'girdle' to 'griddle' without explanation is clearly confusing, and I'm sure other people will make the same mistake I have. A reference would also be helpful. I do not think the Scots English banner helps here. It is also worth adding a note to the 'griddle' page to the same effect. GyroMagician ( talk) 09:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
"It (the N Staffs oatcake) is cooked on a griddle or 'baxton'" Presumably "baxton" = local dialect pronunciation of bakestone? Finding a decent ref is prvoving a bit hard, hence posting here rather than adding the clarification and risking a horde of Five Towners insisting that baxton is simply a frying pan, but as it stands it must be confusing to readers who aren't from round those parts? Ghughesarch ( talk) 00:20, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Large sliced rounds cut into pieces are indeed not truly triangles but a wedge is, effectively, a 3-d or deep triangle so at best is no improvement in wording and, unless you've got a particularly and atypically fat oatcake, probably worse. The shape is a circular sector and would usually be divided into four so the shapes would be quadrants; not particularly idiomatic but hardly obscure either. "Triangular shapes" for simplicity, "quadrants" for accuracy but wedge is not as good on either ground. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 16:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
It has been suggested that this page should be
split into pages titled
Staffordshire Oatcake and
Scottish Oatcake. (
discuss) (August 2013) |
As the original 2004 article was about the Staffordshire Oatcake it is my suggestion that this article remains on the original subject while the rest is split into a new Scottish Oatcake article as this will avoid the article becoming confusing and unweildy. To the untrained eye, you could dismiss them as the same foodstuffs, but this would be the same as bundling Donuts with Bagels because they look similar. -- Jpswade ( talk) 15:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Split As there are no definitive votes here I will be bold and split as per my proposal. As for the " Oatcake" page, although I believe the Staffordshire Oatcake is the more popular (according to news coverage and Google Trends for Oakcake) I believe a disambiguation page is the most objective solution. -- Jpswade ( talk) 10:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Done, see Staffordshire Oatcake -- Jpswade ( talk) 14:36, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Under 'Scottish Oatcakes' it says Queen Elizabeth II typically has Scottish oatcakes for breakfast.
However, the source given [8]( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/965079.stm) does not specify Scottish Oatcakes.
This should possibly be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.165.43 ( talk) 20:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. In the course of the discussion, the article was rewritten as a WP:BROADCONCEPT article, and the consensus is that it should stay at the current title. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Oatcake →
Scottish Oatcake – The oatcakes of Scottish origin are generally described as either 'Scottish Oatcakes' or 'Highland Oatcakes', the title of this article should reflect that.
Jpswade (
talk) 14:42, 25 April 2014 (UTC) --
Jpswade (
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14:42, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The discussion explaining the addition of a POV tag to the GB section is so far missing from this talk page. Edits by the POV nominator which misrepresent the source in the first paragraph of that section are discussed in the talk section above but the user has not responded to this either. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 11:57, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
As per the note in the above section: A Caledonian Feast is a book written about Scottish cuisine and is written by an author Annette Hope whom "while studying at Edinburgh University fell in love with Scotland and its people, and Edinburgh has been her home ever since". She is known for writing about Scottish cuisine. The book was first published by Canongate Books in Scotland. This author is writing from a biased point of view and not an authority on British cuisine. In addition to that, as per the profile of user Mutt Lunker ( talk · contribs), they are of Scottish origin and seems to bring some bias towards this subject and seems unable/unwilling to discuss the subject from an objective point of view and instead seems to be more interested in attacking other editors that do not share his point of view than improving the article. -- Jpswade ( talk) 13:19, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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link)Jpswade, are you seriously contending that a (Scottish style) oatcake is a biscuit? You have found a source which states this, so sadly you have a case that you have a reliable source on the matter but the source is plainly in error to anyone who has ever encountered one (can you clarify if you actually have?). This does not seem to be central to any of your other arguments unless you are making a bloody-minded point about insisting on material's inclusion on the basis of a disputed but in WP terms reliable source, in the knowledge that it is factually wrong. You really are making yourself look foolish in this campaign of yours. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 14:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
The initial source refers to "biscuit (cookie)", i.e. biscuit in the more usual sense of a sweetened baked product. An oatcake is certainly not a cookie. Referring to it as such is at best confusing. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 15:47, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
The England section's first sentence refers to oatcakes in Lancashire. The second sentence is sourced by material solely comparing Staffs and Scots oatcakes. The reference in the second sentence to "both" is unclear as only Staffs oatcakes and not Scottish ones are mentioned. There is no support for the Lancs version to be related to either, this being entirely speculative and the combo of sources is WP:SYNTH. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 16:45, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion, this image enhances the article as an example of an oatcake prepared with the food's primary ingredients (oats and water), and the caption provides useful information about a style of oatcake preparation. It has been removed a couple of times, so I moved it into a gallery section for the time being. Opinions and commentary appreciated. NorthAmerica 1000 11:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I don’t really know if this is in the right place to note this, but it appears the source for the claim that oatcakes have been around since before the Roman invasion of the UK is a fictional mystery book.
I don’t know Wikipedia’s standards for sources but this seems incredibly out of place. 107.191.225.46 ( talk) 09:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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Prior to this article, I was unaware of the existance of Scottish oatcakes. I have seen North Staffordshire oatcakes sold everywhere, from Cornwall to Rhyl and I know of some people in Scotland who claim to have seen North Staffs. Most people I speak to from outside Stoke-on-Trent have no knowledge of the Scottish oatcake either, but have are aware of the North Staffs one. User:MysticalDescent
This article is misleading as it stands, as Scottish oatcakes are far better known.
Bovlb 04:22, 2005 Jan 12 (UTC)
Perhaps this is beacause I am from Scotland but I'd never even heard of 'North Staffordshire oatcakes' until I read this page. It's not like I'm up in the highlands, I grew up a mile away from the border but I've never heard anyone mention them or seen them referrenced written down anywhere. Perhpas they are better known than scottish ones, but I thought oatcakes were a Scottish stereotype, and most people seem to know the stereotypes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.71.145 ( talk) 19:24, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
an oakcake is definately not a type of pancake. The north staffs oatcake is the true form of the 'oakcake'. (Unsigned comment by anonymous reader moved here from the article.)
Just a thought - the Staffs oatcake is not really a delicacy; more a staple food
Alsager boy
12:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
At the risk of annoying Staffordshire readers, I really think the section dealing with Scottish oatcakes should come first, since they're widely available and known in other parts of the UK, whereas the N Staffs version seems to be very much a local speciality. I'm also inclined to remove the sentence saying the recipe "is a secret", since (without any further qualification) that's clearly not the case: see here for example. I'm sure individual bakers have their own secret recipes, but that applies to any number of foods and is not a remarkable feature of the N Staffs oatcake. Loganberry ( Talk) 00:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Im a stoke lad, and eat oatcakes for breakfast, dinner and tea. As do most of my friends. On our last college trip the hostel we were staying in got us oatcakes, yes you can get them anwhere. Only the thing is guess where they were sent from :P I know lads in sweden and many other countries all over the world that have oatcakes delivered to them from stoke. Just because you can get olives in sainsburys dont make them not from Italy or whatever :D For some real info on oatcakes (and unfortunately portvale visit www.oatcakes.net) I eat there oatcakes!
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Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png]] Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 08:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Additionally, the only Derbyshire oatcakes I've encountered are much the same size, but much thicker.
Can I suggest that although regional, the Staffs-style oatcake has a broad spread across the northern midlands . I grew up on a Yorkshire variant of the Derbys./Staffs oatcakes in Sheffield in the 1970s and 80s. (discussion and recipe on Sheffield Forum). I also think they were sparingly available in Manchester in the 90s. Sheffield Forum's suggestion that oatcakes are also know as havercakes in other parts of Yorkshire, along with the link to the Duke of Wellington's Regiment might bear some investigation. 84.68.23.186 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:31, 10 April 2009 (UTC).
I propose that the entire section on Staffordshire oatcakes be moved to the Crumpets article instead, which features Scottish crumpets/pancakes. These are extraordinarily similar to Staffs oatcakes, despite oats being the primary ingredient not wheat. There is much more similarity and relatedness between Staffs oatcakes and Scottish crumpets, than between Staffs oatcakes and Scottish oatcakes, which are entirely different things : the former is a kind of pancake, the latter is a type of biscuit. 88.105.161.86 ( talk) 21:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi...I am looking for info on the California Oatcakes you find in the cafes of San Francisco and many other areas. They are similar to a hockey puck shape and are dense. I believe they have dates in them as well. It's been 15 years since I had one, and I live on the East Coast, so looking to see if anyone is familiar with these cakes and how they're made.
So, how can we classify something like this? I'd put forth biscuit, but I'm thinking I just have a fondness for the term. Small cake? File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 04:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
For the British view on crackers see http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com/biscuits/index.php3 which should leave you in no doubt that Scottish oatcakes are crackers whichever side of the Atlantic you live on. -- Derek Ross | Talk
So I know what a nice real Scots Oatcake is like, and it quite resembles a cracker. However, its make-up is that of a pancake. Not in the flapjack sense that Americans would think of, but in the sense that an Oatcake is a cake of oats, cooked in a pan, or on a skillet. Thus, pancake, which is how that is meant. Just because Scots (rightly, I might add) refrain from adding yeast, or other things which would liven up the cake, does not make it any less of a pancake. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 01:44, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
The oatcake is not a cake at all really Not a cake in that way More of a Potteries Poppadom A sort of Tunstall Tortilla A clay Suzette
Arthur Berry
Hmmm. I've just thought. Oatcakes are barbecue food. By which I mean they would be dead easy to make on the barbecue when I'm cooking other stuff. Time for an experiment tomorrow! -- Derek Ross | Talk 05:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly given the shared cultural background and similar environment of Ireland and Scotland, oatcakes are pretty common in Ireland and are virtually indistinguishable from scottish oatcakes (Staffs. ones are unknown, sorry guys...). Not sure it's worth mentioning -anyway here's a trivially googled example - as it's for export, they're called "Irish oatcakes" rather than just "oatcakes" as an Irish or Scots person would say: http://www.irishgourmet.co.uk/product_info.php/cPath/22_23/products_id/177 Worthy of inclusion in-page? Meh. 83.70.219.237 17:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
What does the expression "19-oatcake" mean? Pimlottc 13:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Effectively "a long time ago". For example "back in 19 oatcake when my granny was wee...". The expression was used a lot in The Broons and Oor Wullie, although I think they tended to say "18 oatcake". I guess its a joking reference to some vague time around eighteen-o-one, eighteen-o-two...eighteen-o-atcake. Probably not very pertinent to this article though. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 14:37, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes it's pretty widespread, I use it myself. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 09:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm 40 and lived in Stoke-on-Trent all my life. I have never even heard of anyone steaming oatcakes between two plates or any other method. They are generally grilled. It is personal taste whether both sides are grilled or not. I personally grill the outer side (the side with the least holes) then flip it over and put cheese on it. I have asked my 84 year old grandmother who has lived in Stoke-on-Trent all her life. She has confirmed with me that she has never heard of anyone steaming an Oatcake. This is very misleading and needs to be removed.
Shroomsxxxx ( talk) 16:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, the section that reads:
"They are made almost entirely of oats, the only cereal to flourish in northern Scotland. Traditionally, each community had its own mill to grind oats from local crofts and supply oatmeal for every household."
is total PLAGIARISM!! These wordings come straight off the box of Walker's Oatcakes. I know, because I just at some oatcakes and was reading the print of the box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.0.232 ( talk) 14:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Confirmed. This sentence is taken verbatim from the Walker's Oatcakes packaging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.170.30.161 ( talk) 02:35, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
What type of oatcake is the one featured in the new picture? It doesn't look anything like any Scottish oatcake I have seen in my life and, although I'm unfamiliar with them, it doesn't look much like the Staffordshire version either. I'm not sure it even looks much like it is made of oats. Is it a third species? Mutt Lunker ( talk) 22:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes but what type of oatcake? It does not look typical to me but it may well be of a type not covered yet in the article, in which case can you clarify? Mutt Lunker ( talk) 08:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I changed 'girdle' to 'griddle'. Apparently the correct Scots term is 'girdle' - so it clearly does belong in the article. But linking 'girdle' to 'griddle' without explanation is clearly confusing, and I'm sure other people will make the same mistake I have. A reference would also be helpful. I do not think the Scots English banner helps here. It is also worth adding a note to the 'griddle' page to the same effect. GyroMagician ( talk) 09:39, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
"It (the N Staffs oatcake) is cooked on a griddle or 'baxton'" Presumably "baxton" = local dialect pronunciation of bakestone? Finding a decent ref is prvoving a bit hard, hence posting here rather than adding the clarification and risking a horde of Five Towners insisting that baxton is simply a frying pan, but as it stands it must be confusing to readers who aren't from round those parts? Ghughesarch ( talk) 00:20, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Large sliced rounds cut into pieces are indeed not truly triangles but a wedge is, effectively, a 3-d or deep triangle so at best is no improvement in wording and, unless you've got a particularly and atypically fat oatcake, probably worse. The shape is a circular sector and would usually be divided into four so the shapes would be quadrants; not particularly idiomatic but hardly obscure either. "Triangular shapes" for simplicity, "quadrants" for accuracy but wedge is not as good on either ground. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 16:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
It has been suggested that this page should be
split into pages titled
Staffordshire Oatcake and
Scottish Oatcake. (
discuss) (August 2013) |
As the original 2004 article was about the Staffordshire Oatcake it is my suggestion that this article remains on the original subject while the rest is split into a new Scottish Oatcake article as this will avoid the article becoming confusing and unweildy. To the untrained eye, you could dismiss them as the same foodstuffs, but this would be the same as bundling Donuts with Bagels because they look similar. -- Jpswade ( talk) 15:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Split As there are no definitive votes here I will be bold and split as per my proposal. As for the " Oatcake" page, although I believe the Staffordshire Oatcake is the more popular (according to news coverage and Google Trends for Oakcake) I believe a disambiguation page is the most objective solution. -- Jpswade ( talk) 10:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Done, see Staffordshire Oatcake -- Jpswade ( talk) 14:36, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Under 'Scottish Oatcakes' it says Queen Elizabeth II typically has Scottish oatcakes for breakfast.
However, the source given [8]( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/965079.stm) does not specify Scottish Oatcakes.
This should possibly be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.165.43 ( talk) 20:14, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. In the course of the discussion, the article was rewritten as a WP:BROADCONCEPT article, and the consensus is that it should stay at the current title. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Oatcake →
Scottish Oatcake – The oatcakes of Scottish origin are generally described as either 'Scottish Oatcakes' or 'Highland Oatcakes', the title of this article should reflect that.
Jpswade (
talk) 14:42, 25 April 2014 (UTC) --
Jpswade (
talk)
14:42, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The discussion explaining the addition of a POV tag to the GB section is so far missing from this talk page. Edits by the POV nominator which misrepresent the source in the first paragraph of that section are discussed in the talk section above but the user has not responded to this either. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 11:57, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
As per the note in the above section: A Caledonian Feast is a book written about Scottish cuisine and is written by an author Annette Hope whom "while studying at Edinburgh University fell in love with Scotland and its people, and Edinburgh has been her home ever since". She is known for writing about Scottish cuisine. The book was first published by Canongate Books in Scotland. This author is writing from a biased point of view and not an authority on British cuisine. In addition to that, as per the profile of user Mutt Lunker ( talk · contribs), they are of Scottish origin and seems to bring some bias towards this subject and seems unable/unwilling to discuss the subject from an objective point of view and instead seems to be more interested in attacking other editors that do not share his point of view than improving the article. -- Jpswade ( talk) 13:19, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
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link)Jpswade, are you seriously contending that a (Scottish style) oatcake is a biscuit? You have found a source which states this, so sadly you have a case that you have a reliable source on the matter but the source is plainly in error to anyone who has ever encountered one (can you clarify if you actually have?). This does not seem to be central to any of your other arguments unless you are making a bloody-minded point about insisting on material's inclusion on the basis of a disputed but in WP terms reliable source, in the knowledge that it is factually wrong. You really are making yourself look foolish in this campaign of yours. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 14:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
The initial source refers to "biscuit (cookie)", i.e. biscuit in the more usual sense of a sweetened baked product. An oatcake is certainly not a cookie. Referring to it as such is at best confusing. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 15:47, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
The England section's first sentence refers to oatcakes in Lancashire. The second sentence is sourced by material solely comparing Staffs and Scots oatcakes. The reference in the second sentence to "both" is unclear as only Staffs oatcakes and not Scottish ones are mentioned. There is no support for the Lancs version to be related to either, this being entirely speculative and the combo of sources is WP:SYNTH. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 16:45, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion, this image enhances the article as an example of an oatcake prepared with the food's primary ingredients (oats and water), and the caption provides useful information about a style of oatcake preparation. It has been removed a couple of times, so I moved it into a gallery section for the time being. Opinions and commentary appreciated. NorthAmerica 1000 11:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I don’t really know if this is in the right place to note this, but it appears the source for the claim that oatcakes have been around since before the Roman invasion of the UK is a fictional mystery book.
I don’t know Wikipedia’s standards for sources but this seems incredibly out of place. 107.191.225.46 ( talk) 09:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)