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There seems to be a bit of an edit war going on concerning whether Oasis were English or British. Lots of editing but no talking. This is what the talk page is for so lets talk and reach a consensus. Bjmullan ( talk) 08:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
They are a British band their mother is Irish and their genre is Britpop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.204.127 ( talk) 22:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
It is essentially the same band. But they originally had a different singer, some Chris guy (read Paul Mathur's Take Me There: The Story Of Oasis for reference from Bonehead). Liam was not a founding member, and he was the one who suggested the name Oasis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ImGonnaDJ ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't think so, purely from an artistic standpoint. Oasis has always been when Noel was persuaded to join the band and wrote the songs for Oasis in the first couple of albums. Therefore The Rain never had any songs that went on to be the artisitic output of Oasis. -- Omar418 ( talk) 01:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Definitely seperate, Oasis became so with Noel Gallagher who has nothing to do with The Rain. He is (was) the dominant figure of Oasis and wrote almost everything, Oasis sound is Noel Gallagher, the Rain are a completely different band. A detailed mention on Liam Gallaghers page is sufficient. I am removing the tag.-- LisaSandford ( talk) 02:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
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It's been over a month, can we have some movement either way? Either merge the articles, or remove the tag. Nev1 ( talk) 18:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I commented on 24 September that that they are separate (in haste removed the tag) but believe enough time has elapsed. Its a trivial issue as the wikilink gives info on Rain, whom from an artistic standpoint as Omar mentions, are a different entity to Oasis. LisaSandford ( talk) 07:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
No such thing as Alternative.Indie Rock were Oasis.and it should stay this way
bollocks to that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.41.105 ( talk) 09:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Oasis were part of the "Britpop" movement which is another genre of alternative rock so it would seem right that "alternative rock" be there. 174.30.123.133 ( talk) 09:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC) No such thing as alternative rock or alternative. It is originally Indie Rock and it should still be but if it keeps getting changed then i will have to complain to wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crolladder ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
What do you mean there's no such thing as alternative rock or alternative? So what you're saying is that alternative rock doesn't exist? -- 174.30.123.133 ( talk) 0 10:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
yeah, oasis are indie, and pink floyd are punk, notice the sarcasm Jonneh123 ( talk) 14:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Alternative rock does indeed exist; I didn't spend countless hours citing that article and its subgenre pages for nothing. Unless you can come up with a convincing argument based on reliable sources, there's not reason not to list it. WesleyDodds ( talk) 07:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
It may exist but not in Oasis,maybe in pop bands and pink floyd but not in Oasis.This is very offensive to me so whoever changes it will be reported to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crolladder ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I think alternative rock is the right genre for Oasis as well as rock and britpop. They were not indie in my opinion. 97.125.248.17 ( talk) 02:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
please note oasis hated being called indie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.249.203 ( talk) 23:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock , just sayin 188.222.41.105 ( talk) 19:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys here's an idea how about Rock, Britpop, Alternative Rock, and Indie Rock that way were all right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.245.177 ( talk) 23:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Anyone opposed before I assault it? Mostly the Beady Eye stuff, it needs re-structuring completely and a lot of it's fine in its own article. ( Chill ( talk) 01:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC))
The 'Musical style' and 'Legacy and influence' sections seem to be constantly filled with unsourced lists of bands, some of which are dubious to say the least. There's even an unsourced claim of plagiarism in there, as there is in the 'Formation and first years' section. The lede conflicts with the article The Rain, which states that Oasis were a different band, and the first section in the 'History' part of this article which states that Oasis evolved from The Rain rather than being originally known as The Rain. The lede is full of citations that would be better elsewhere. Manchester to Glasgow is about a 4-hour trip, but the article described it as a 'six hour journey' - it isn't clear whether this is supported by a source. There's a claim that Liam was under the influence of crystal meth (unsourced). "Whatever" is described as a 'Christmas single EP', which in nonsensical. There's inconsistency in how chart positions are presetented (e.g. number 1 vs. number one). I could go on, and I could try to fix/remove these myself, but there are probably other editors who would object, so perhaps regular editors of this article could try to bring it up to scratch? I'm happy to give it a go later in the week, but please let me know beforehand if there's going to be objections. Thanks.-- Michig ( talk) 19:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
This article is fairly well written but its sections are a little too descriptive. I would propose to reduce each section a little by eliminating details of minor importance.
I am surprised the "Musical style" section does not mention the band's "wall of sound", particularly in the early days (standard chords with distorted guitars).
Nothing is said about the many references to The Beatles and their work, particularly for songs like Don't look back in anger (piano intro) or The masterplan (the Oasis cross the street just like on the sleeve of Abbey Road by The Beatles).
ICE77 ( talk) 06:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't we include this timeline in the article? Timelines are really helpful. Nataev ( talk) 21:45, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
How come Zak Starkey and Chris Sharrock are not in the InfoBox of Past Members? Later in the article it is pointed out that "Oasis" did not consider them to be members. Certainly Zak, being involved in 2 albums and the touring, and Chris, with touring, could both be considered "supporting" members regardless of how Oasis "officially" considered them. In many of the band articles I've read here it seems members are often considered to be anyone who performed with the group - whether on recordings or live performance. Could they be added in some form to the infobox to recognize their contribution to the group - however limited one might consider that contribution? Thanks! THX1136 ( talk) 15:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't really see why they need a separate article. It's the same band minus Noel. Can't we just move the content to the bottom section with a heading like "As Beady Eye" or something like that? We could redirect the Beady Eye page to that section of this page. 65.185.86.64 ( talk) 22:40, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
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Hey there, so I recently made an entry on Noel and Liam's endless fight and it got removed from the article. I believe the subject is essential in order to understand Oasis' history. With their music aside, this is the main feature about the band. The entry's title was Insult War: Liam vs Noel. Let me know if you believe this entry should be part of the band's article and if so, what should be edited to have it published. ASSASSINOFYOUTH ( talk) 16:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The image in the "Knebworth and peak of popularity to Be Here Now and ultimate backlash" section should not be used because other high quality band articles do not have those kinds of images. Dean12065 ( talk) 01:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
I believe the main photo on this article has been subpar for too long, and that it should be changed. While, yes, it does show the Gallagher's predominantly and is indicative of their stage presence, it's low quality and was taken past the true prime of the band's lifespan.
Sure, it would be a good image to use in a section discussing the later years of the band, but as the main image, it doesn't hold up. I believe a higher-quality photo of them at the height of their popularity and musicality would fit best.
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I've got all the dates and venues for the Don't Believe the Truth tour. Shall I make a page for that tour? The current wiki redirects to the main band page. D1PD1 ( talk) 15:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
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There isn't a dedicated page for the 'Don't Believe the Truth' tour in 2006. This is the only album tour Oasis did for which there is no information on Wikipedia. All the other tours they did have dedicated pages. I am offering to create one for this tour.
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Well if there is no entry for the 'Don't Believe the Truth' tour in the concert tour section ( /info/en/?search=Oasis_(band)#Concert_tours), does not that not count as an edit request? I am completely new to Wikipedia and I don't fully understand how this all works. I have finished drafting the page for this tour. How can I link it to the main band page, please?
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There seems to be a bit of an edit war going on concerning whether Oasis were English or British. Lots of editing but no talking. This is what the talk page is for so lets talk and reach a consensus. Bjmullan ( talk) 08:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
They are a British band their mother is Irish and their genre is Britpop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.204.127 ( talk) 22:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
It is essentially the same band. But they originally had a different singer, some Chris guy (read Paul Mathur's Take Me There: The Story Of Oasis for reference from Bonehead). Liam was not a founding member, and he was the one who suggested the name Oasis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ImGonnaDJ ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't think so, purely from an artistic standpoint. Oasis has always been when Noel was persuaded to join the band and wrote the songs for Oasis in the first couple of albums. Therefore The Rain never had any songs that went on to be the artisitic output of Oasis. -- Omar418 ( talk) 01:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Definitely seperate, Oasis became so with Noel Gallagher who has nothing to do with The Rain. He is (was) the dominant figure of Oasis and wrote almost everything, Oasis sound is Noel Gallagher, the Rain are a completely different band. A detailed mention on Liam Gallaghers page is sufficient. I am removing the tag.-- LisaSandford ( talk) 02:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
NOTE: The issue here is whether The Rain should remain as a separate article, or whether the content relating to that band should be merged to this article. Please concentrate on this rather than discussion of whether or not they were the same band. Bands with a claim to notability that solely relies on members going on to another band are generally best merged to the band that is actually notable in its own right.-- Michig ( talk) 05:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
It's been over a month, can we have some movement either way? Either merge the articles, or remove the tag. Nev1 ( talk) 18:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I commented on 24 September that that they are separate (in haste removed the tag) but believe enough time has elapsed. Its a trivial issue as the wikilink gives info on Rain, whom from an artistic standpoint as Omar mentions, are a different entity to Oasis. LisaSandford ( talk) 07:40, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
No such thing as Alternative.Indie Rock were Oasis.and it should stay this way
bollocks to that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.41.105 ( talk) 09:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Oasis were part of the "Britpop" movement which is another genre of alternative rock so it would seem right that "alternative rock" be there. 174.30.123.133 ( talk) 09:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC) No such thing as alternative rock or alternative. It is originally Indie Rock and it should still be but if it keeps getting changed then i will have to complain to wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crolladder ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
What do you mean there's no such thing as alternative rock or alternative? So what you're saying is that alternative rock doesn't exist? -- 174.30.123.133 ( talk) 0 10:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
yeah, oasis are indie, and pink floyd are punk, notice the sarcasm Jonneh123 ( talk) 14:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Alternative rock does indeed exist; I didn't spend countless hours citing that article and its subgenre pages for nothing. Unless you can come up with a convincing argument based on reliable sources, there's not reason not to list it. WesleyDodds ( talk) 07:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
It may exist but not in Oasis,maybe in pop bands and pink floyd but not in Oasis.This is very offensive to me so whoever changes it will be reported to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crolladder ( talk • contribs) 20:41, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I think alternative rock is the right genre for Oasis as well as rock and britpop. They were not indie in my opinion. 97.125.248.17 ( talk) 02:55, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
please note oasis hated being called indie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.249.203 ( talk) 23:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock , just sayin 188.222.41.105 ( talk) 19:31, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys here's an idea how about Rock, Britpop, Alternative Rock, and Indie Rock that way were all right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.245.177 ( talk) 23:42, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Anyone opposed before I assault it? Mostly the Beady Eye stuff, it needs re-structuring completely and a lot of it's fine in its own article. ( Chill ( talk) 01:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC))
The 'Musical style' and 'Legacy and influence' sections seem to be constantly filled with unsourced lists of bands, some of which are dubious to say the least. There's even an unsourced claim of plagiarism in there, as there is in the 'Formation and first years' section. The lede conflicts with the article The Rain, which states that Oasis were a different band, and the first section in the 'History' part of this article which states that Oasis evolved from The Rain rather than being originally known as The Rain. The lede is full of citations that would be better elsewhere. Manchester to Glasgow is about a 4-hour trip, but the article described it as a 'six hour journey' - it isn't clear whether this is supported by a source. There's a claim that Liam was under the influence of crystal meth (unsourced). "Whatever" is described as a 'Christmas single EP', which in nonsensical. There's inconsistency in how chart positions are presetented (e.g. number 1 vs. number one). I could go on, and I could try to fix/remove these myself, but there are probably other editors who would object, so perhaps regular editors of this article could try to bring it up to scratch? I'm happy to give it a go later in the week, but please let me know beforehand if there's going to be objections. Thanks.-- Michig ( talk) 19:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
This article is fairly well written but its sections are a little too descriptive. I would propose to reduce each section a little by eliminating details of minor importance.
I am surprised the "Musical style" section does not mention the band's "wall of sound", particularly in the early days (standard chords with distorted guitars).
Nothing is said about the many references to The Beatles and their work, particularly for songs like Don't look back in anger (piano intro) or The masterplan (the Oasis cross the street just like on the sleeve of Abbey Road by The Beatles).
ICE77 ( talk) 06:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't we include this timeline in the article? Timelines are really helpful. Nataev ( talk) 21:45, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
How come Zak Starkey and Chris Sharrock are not in the InfoBox of Past Members? Later in the article it is pointed out that "Oasis" did not consider them to be members. Certainly Zak, being involved in 2 albums and the touring, and Chris, with touring, could both be considered "supporting" members regardless of how Oasis "officially" considered them. In many of the band articles I've read here it seems members are often considered to be anyone who performed with the group - whether on recordings or live performance. Could they be added in some form to the infobox to recognize their contribution to the group - however limited one might consider that contribution? Thanks! THX1136 ( talk) 15:16, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I don't really see why they need a separate article. It's the same band minus Noel. Can't we just move the content to the bottom section with a heading like "As Beady Eye" or something like that? We could redirect the Beady Eye page to that section of this page. 65.185.86.64 ( talk) 22:40, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
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Hey there, so I recently made an entry on Noel and Liam's endless fight and it got removed from the article. I believe the subject is essential in order to understand Oasis' history. With their music aside, this is the main feature about the band. The entry's title was Insult War: Liam vs Noel. Let me know if you believe this entry should be part of the band's article and if so, what should be edited to have it published. ASSASSINOFYOUTH ( talk) 16:43, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The image in the "Knebworth and peak of popularity to Be Here Now and ultimate backlash" section should not be used because other high quality band articles do not have those kinds of images. Dean12065 ( talk) 01:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
I believe the main photo on this article has been subpar for too long, and that it should be changed. While, yes, it does show the Gallagher's predominantly and is indicative of their stage presence, it's low quality and was taken past the true prime of the band's lifespan.
Sure, it would be a good image to use in a section discussing the later years of the band, but as the main image, it doesn't hold up. I believe a higher-quality photo of them at the height of their popularity and musicality would fit best.
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I've got all the dates and venues for the Don't Believe the Truth tour. Shall I make a page for that tour? The current wiki redirects to the main band page. D1PD1 ( talk) 15:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
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There isn't a dedicated page for the 'Don't Believe the Truth' tour in 2006. This is the only album tour Oasis did for which there is no information on Wikipedia. All the other tours they did have dedicated pages. I am offering to create one for this tour.
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Well if there is no entry for the 'Don't Believe the Truth' tour in the concert tour section ( /info/en/?search=Oasis_(band)#Concert_tours), does not that not count as an edit request? I am completely new to Wikipedia and I don't fully understand how this all works. I have finished drafting the page for this tour. How can I link it to the main band page, please?
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