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As per other First Nations content, there should be a separation, howevermuch artificial it may seem on the surface, between government articles and ethno-national articles; the former refers to the Indian Act governmental system and its apparati and programs; the latter to history, culture, ethnography; this is not always clear in the way First Nations refer to themselves, and to their governments; "First Nation" and "Nation" can mean the "tribal" historical identity as well as the Indian Act-derived band governments/tribal councils; so at some point here Nuxálk and Nuxálk Nation should/could/might be two different articles.... Skookum1 04:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see this on the CFD talklpage. Skookum1 ( talk) 16:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
There is some curious stuff in BCGNIS about this.
That is a rather old source. I find it hard to believe the Spanish explored that far into the inlets in this area anyway. Plus, is this saying the name is Spanish or Indian in origin??
The Spanish theory seems unlikely to me. Which Spanish explorer would have been in the area thoroughly investigating deep inlets? The only one I can think of is Jacinto Caamaño, but I didn't think he explored this particular area, and Vancouver typically kept the placenames given by Caamaño. Pfly ( talk) 08:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Currently the article provides the pronunciation of Nuxalk with two examples, like this: Nuxalk: Nuxálk; /nuxálk/, with the 'x' like German ach. The first, Nuxálk, is in the Nuxálk language orthography I assume. The second uses an IPA template and, I'd assume, IPA orthography. The IPA page linked to, Wikipedia:IPA, says that the diacritic mark on /á/ indicates a "high level tone". Can this be right? I didn't think Nuxálk was a tonal language. Shouldn't the IPA be something more like /nuxalk/, or /nuˈxalk/ to show the syllables and stress (second syllable is stressed, no?). This page gives the pronunciation as "noo-HUK", but I'm guessing that is inaccurate or an Anglicized distortion. Pfly ( talk) 06:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the diacritics are out of place in IPA, and equally out of place within Nuxalk orthography, which uses no diacritics. 207.81.184.52 ( talk) 17:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I found the following paragraph on the page. I will attempt to clean it up, but I include it here for discussion purposes. The bit about it not being appropriate for Wikipedia was already there, and in fact what brought the paragraph to my attention.
Perhaps if someone can site sources about the Nuxalk religion, this could be come a very interesting article. The souces cited are talking about a completely different tribe, and have no references to the Nuxalk religion. Listmeister ( talk) 17:09, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
These sentences should be rewritten in 3rd person style (not first person) unless they are intended to be quotes from an external source, in which case they should be turned into a quotation: "We are salmon people of the rainforest and without healthy and abundant lands and water, our very existence is seriously threatened. We, the Nuxalk, maintain our rights and title to our entire traditional territory and continue to strive to maintain our traditional systems of governance and powers, citing a long and rich cultural history as evidence of our continued use and occupation." [5] DRead ( talk) 18:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
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RE this I'm of the opinion that for small communities/groups it's a given that the people of the group themselves are citable; same as with using band pages for history sources, despite teh "no primary sources" dictum.....who else is there? This isn't a blatant commercial site, I'm not sure of the policy on such artist-pages...it's not only the site-owner's art either, it's that of others. This isn't an exploitation site, but one of the very few Nuxalk in the world presenting his art. Much the same as OldManRivers and his Skwxw7mesh art, not sure if he ever did link his own artpage; but he is a notable Skwxw7mesh artist, and active in the revival of Coast Salish art. Anyway User:Ohnoitsjamie is from far away, and an admitted deletionist (see his userpage) and like many, not familiar with the cultural realities of FNs and North Am peoples. Maybe that citation would more belong on Nuxalk art, if such an article were written, but to me seemed like a perfectly legitimate external link, not spam, because there are so few pages on Nuxalk out there at all it's natural that cites/links about them are "all there is", unless only third-party publications necessarily published far away are used, and "global" standards are applied to winnowing local-context links into oblivion. Cultural biases are the issue here to me, also. Skookum1 ( talk) 05:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
While this - Bella Coola Indian Reserve No. 1 - is the primary IR of the Nuxalk Nation, there are others that necessarily would have their own titles and accompanying coords, that would not redirect here because they're at e.g. Kimsquit and have their own histories. Also, this one, if anything, could redirect to Bella Coola, British Columbia as it's part of "metropolitan" Bella Coola, but then so are Firvale and Hagensborg; see either Talk:Bella Coola, British Columbia or Talk:Bella Coola Valley for items by @ AshleyMorton: who's lived there about these titles. Just because this is a stub for now also means it will always be; each IR has land history and village history that eventually could be added, as well as what modern services are located in each one (as also with other communities within the BCV). So
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Nuxalk Nation/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Only one paragraph. Needs thorough expansion; |
Last edited at 01:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 01:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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As per other First Nations content, there should be a separation, howevermuch artificial it may seem on the surface, between government articles and ethno-national articles; the former refers to the Indian Act governmental system and its apparati and programs; the latter to history, culture, ethnography; this is not always clear in the way First Nations refer to themselves, and to their governments; "First Nation" and "Nation" can mean the "tribal" historical identity as well as the Indian Act-derived band governments/tribal councils; so at some point here Nuxálk and Nuxálk Nation should/could/might be two different articles.... Skookum1 04:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see this on the CFD talklpage. Skookum1 ( talk) 16:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
There is some curious stuff in BCGNIS about this.
That is a rather old source. I find it hard to believe the Spanish explored that far into the inlets in this area anyway. Plus, is this saying the name is Spanish or Indian in origin??
The Spanish theory seems unlikely to me. Which Spanish explorer would have been in the area thoroughly investigating deep inlets? The only one I can think of is Jacinto Caamaño, but I didn't think he explored this particular area, and Vancouver typically kept the placenames given by Caamaño. Pfly ( talk) 08:05, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Currently the article provides the pronunciation of Nuxalk with two examples, like this: Nuxalk: Nuxálk; /nuxálk/, with the 'x' like German ach. The first, Nuxálk, is in the Nuxálk language orthography I assume. The second uses an IPA template and, I'd assume, IPA orthography. The IPA page linked to, Wikipedia:IPA, says that the diacritic mark on /á/ indicates a "high level tone". Can this be right? I didn't think Nuxálk was a tonal language. Shouldn't the IPA be something more like /nuxalk/, or /nuˈxalk/ to show the syllables and stress (second syllable is stressed, no?). This page gives the pronunciation as "noo-HUK", but I'm guessing that is inaccurate or an Anglicized distortion. Pfly ( talk) 06:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the diacritics are out of place in IPA, and equally out of place within Nuxalk orthography, which uses no diacritics. 207.81.184.52 ( talk) 17:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I found the following paragraph on the page. I will attempt to clean it up, but I include it here for discussion purposes. The bit about it not being appropriate for Wikipedia was already there, and in fact what brought the paragraph to my attention.
Perhaps if someone can site sources about the Nuxalk religion, this could be come a very interesting article. The souces cited are talking about a completely different tribe, and have no references to the Nuxalk religion. Listmeister ( talk) 17:09, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
These sentences should be rewritten in 3rd person style (not first person) unless they are intended to be quotes from an external source, in which case they should be turned into a quotation: "We are salmon people of the rainforest and without healthy and abundant lands and water, our very existence is seriously threatened. We, the Nuxalk, maintain our rights and title to our entire traditional territory and continue to strive to maintain our traditional systems of governance and powers, citing a long and rich cultural history as evidence of our continued use and occupation." [5] DRead ( talk) 18:22, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
![]() | The related Category:Cfd section name has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming . You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. |
RE this I'm of the opinion that for small communities/groups it's a given that the people of the group themselves are citable; same as with using band pages for history sources, despite teh "no primary sources" dictum.....who else is there? This isn't a blatant commercial site, I'm not sure of the policy on such artist-pages...it's not only the site-owner's art either, it's that of others. This isn't an exploitation site, but one of the very few Nuxalk in the world presenting his art. Much the same as OldManRivers and his Skwxw7mesh art, not sure if he ever did link his own artpage; but he is a notable Skwxw7mesh artist, and active in the revival of Coast Salish art. Anyway User:Ohnoitsjamie is from far away, and an admitted deletionist (see his userpage) and like many, not familiar with the cultural realities of FNs and North Am peoples. Maybe that citation would more belong on Nuxalk art, if such an article were written, but to me seemed like a perfectly legitimate external link, not spam, because there are so few pages on Nuxalk out there at all it's natural that cites/links about them are "all there is", unless only third-party publications necessarily published far away are used, and "global" standards are applied to winnowing local-context links into oblivion. Cultural biases are the issue here to me, also. Skookum1 ( talk) 05:22, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
While this - Bella Coola Indian Reserve No. 1 - is the primary IR of the Nuxalk Nation, there are others that necessarily would have their own titles and accompanying coords, that would not redirect here because they're at e.g. Kimsquit and have their own histories. Also, this one, if anything, could redirect to Bella Coola, British Columbia as it's part of "metropolitan" Bella Coola, but then so are Firvale and Hagensborg; see either Talk:Bella Coola, British Columbia or Talk:Bella Coola Valley for items by @ AshleyMorton: who's lived there about these titles. Just because this is a stub for now also means it will always be; each IR has land history and village history that eventually could be added, as well as what modern services are located in each one (as also with other communities within the BCV). So
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Nuxalk Nation/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Only one paragraph. Needs thorough expansion; |
Last edited at 01:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC). Substituted at 01:37, 30 April 2016 (UTC)