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Wikipedia mods: What's the applicability of the Advert template to this article, or any other template around first-party sources? Nearly all of the citations ("During," "Morris," etc) are first-party citations from books written and published by Nur Ali Elahi himself, his son, closest adherents, or sanctioned by the Nour Foundation that's helmed by Elahi's son. Asking because a lot of the books cited ("Spirit of Sounds" among others) are *required reading,* in a very literal sense, when growing up as an adherent of the Path of Perfection.
You can actually see the downstream effects of such reading requirements in the discussion around honorifics below, so I'm wondering if it makes sense to clarify that this entire article needs far more independent research than what was actually cited for the article. PoPthrowaway ( talk) 16:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
I added a music clip to the music section, and though the section doesn’t reference the clip currently, which from what I understand it needs to in order to include a clip, I hope to expand the music section soon to add this information, and perhaps even add some additional music samples. Naolae ( talk) 00:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Per lengthy discussion in the talk page archives, I have once again reverted the addition of the honorific "Ostad" from this article. Please do not add it back. Nur Ali Elahi was never known as "Ostad" during his lifetime, and his publications did not include that honorific either. He is known that way today by his followers, therefore, adding "Ostad" introduces a WP:NPOV violation in this article, as well as going against the style guideline WP:HONORIFIC. It is sufficient that the article contains a whole section about this honorific, and that Ostad Elahi redirects to this article. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 17:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 2 November 2015. The result of the move review was endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 20:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Nur Ali Elahi → Ostad Elahi – Per the Wikipedia policy on Article Names, in particular the section on Commonly Recognizable Names WP:UCRN, which notes that when there are multiple names for a topic, the preference is generally to use the most commonly used name (as determined by its prevelence in reliable English-language sources), I'm proposing that this article be renamed to "Ostad Elahi". I've provided the results of searches recommended at WP:SET below, which provide overwhelming evidence in support of the fact that the subject of the article is most commonly known as "Ostad Elahi" in reliable English language sources.
Google News Search
37 results for "Ostad Elahi"
0 results for "Nur Ali Elahi"
Google Books Search
2,000 results for "Ostad Elahi"
1,040 results for "Nur Ali Elahi"
Google Trends (Worldwide, 2004-present)
Ostad Elahi: 29 Nur Ali Elahi: 0
Google Scholar
157 results for Ostad Elahi
20 results for Nur Ali Elahi
Google Web Search
19,600 results for "Ostad Elahi"
2,940 results for "Nur Ali Elahi"
Google Ngram Viewer
No Valid Ngrams
In addition to the above, also note that:
http://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2014/sacred-lute
https://itunes.apple.com/artist/id371413843
http://label.chantdumonde.com/#/artists?view=disco&id=134
http://www.amazon.com/Ostad-Elahi/e/B000APELAK/works/ref=ep_artist_tab_w
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0791481204
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=2911331028
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=2911331001
http://ostadelahi.com
http://www.nourfoundation.com/Ostad-Elahi.html
http://www.saintejanie.com/en/malek-jan-ostad-elahi.htm
http://www.fondationostadelahi.com
http://www.ostadexpo.com
http://www.musicforthemind.org/ostadelahi.html
http://www.e-ostadelahi.com
http://www.ostadelahi-indepth.com
https://ostadelahi-inpractice.com
http://www.ostadradio.com
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5iFS79oo3on0vzidFGkovQ
https://www.facebook.com/ostadelahi
Naolae (
talk) 23:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC)--Relisted.
Tiggerjay (
talk)
19:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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Wikipedia mods: What's the applicability of the Advert template to this article, or any other template around first-party sources? Nearly all of the citations ("During," "Morris," etc) are first-party citations from books written and published by Nur Ali Elahi himself, his son, closest adherents, or sanctioned by the Nour Foundation that's helmed by Elahi's son. Asking because a lot of the books cited ("Spirit of Sounds" among others) are *required reading,* in a very literal sense, when growing up as an adherent of the Path of Perfection.
You can actually see the downstream effects of such reading requirements in the discussion around honorifics below, so I'm wondering if it makes sense to clarify that this entire article needs far more independent research than what was actually cited for the article. PoPthrowaway ( talk) 16:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
I added a music clip to the music section, and though the section doesn’t reference the clip currently, which from what I understand it needs to in order to include a clip, I hope to expand the music section soon to add this information, and perhaps even add some additional music samples. Naolae ( talk) 00:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Per lengthy discussion in the talk page archives, I have once again reverted the addition of the honorific "Ostad" from this article. Please do not add it back. Nur Ali Elahi was never known as "Ostad" during his lifetime, and his publications did not include that honorific either. He is known that way today by his followers, therefore, adding "Ostad" introduces a WP:NPOV violation in this article, as well as going against the style guideline WP:HONORIFIC. It is sufficient that the article contains a whole section about this honorific, and that Ostad Elahi redirects to this article. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 17:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 2 November 2015. The result of the move review was endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline ( talk) 20:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Nur Ali Elahi → Ostad Elahi – Per the Wikipedia policy on Article Names, in particular the section on Commonly Recognizable Names WP:UCRN, which notes that when there are multiple names for a topic, the preference is generally to use the most commonly used name (as determined by its prevelence in reliable English-language sources), I'm proposing that this article be renamed to "Ostad Elahi". I've provided the results of searches recommended at WP:SET below, which provide overwhelming evidence in support of the fact that the subject of the article is most commonly known as "Ostad Elahi" in reliable English language sources.
Google News Search
37 results for "Ostad Elahi"
0 results for "Nur Ali Elahi"
Google Books Search
2,000 results for "Ostad Elahi"
1,040 results for "Nur Ali Elahi"
Google Trends (Worldwide, 2004-present)
Ostad Elahi: 29 Nur Ali Elahi: 0
Google Scholar
157 results for Ostad Elahi
20 results for Nur Ali Elahi
Google Web Search
19,600 results for "Ostad Elahi"
2,940 results for "Nur Ali Elahi"
Google Ngram Viewer
No Valid Ngrams
In addition to the above, also note that:
http://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2014/sacred-lute
https://itunes.apple.com/artist/id371413843
http://label.chantdumonde.com/#/artists?view=disco&id=134
http://www.amazon.com/Ostad-Elahi/e/B000APELAK/works/ref=ep_artist_tab_w
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0791481204
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=2911331028
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=2911331001
http://ostadelahi.com
http://www.nourfoundation.com/Ostad-Elahi.html
http://www.saintejanie.com/en/malek-jan-ostad-elahi.htm
http://www.fondationostadelahi.com
http://www.ostadexpo.com
http://www.musicforthemind.org/ostadelahi.html
http://www.e-ostadelahi.com
http://www.ostadelahi-indepth.com
https://ostadelahi-inpractice.com
http://www.ostadradio.com
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5iFS79oo3on0vzidFGkovQ
https://www.facebook.com/ostadelahi
Naolae (
talk) 23:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC)--Relisted.
Tiggerjay (
talk)
19:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)