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Source http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/nowruz-ii does not mention that it is mainly celebrated by Iranian and Turkic people. It says it has been abandoned by Turkic people. Nowruz is celebrated mainly by Iranian people. Yes, also Turkic people celebrate but it is not common among them. We can say it is celebrated by Turkic people but not mainly by them. Also, the article already mentions that some Turkic people celebrating it. Using ...celebrated by mostly Iranian peoples and Turkic peoples.. is not right since it's not part of Turkic culture and majority of Turkic people don't celebrate it.
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For example, I moved out the regional pronunciation from the historical etymology into a sub-section of its own. When I went to look for a substantiating article on a .edu site, I could not find any published work. All I could find were various spelling differences between the E. and W. Coasts of the US in accounts of NoRuz celebrations. This is a paper waiting to be written, then cited in this article. MichelleInSanMarcos ( talk) 18:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that one of the citations is from a book published in 1919. Surely later editions must have corrected the error that the Jewish calendar is lunar, as stated here. The Jewish calendar is a /info/en/?search=Lunisolar_calendar . Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics: Picts-Sacraments by James Hastings, John Alexander Selbie, Louis Herbert Gray; T. & T. Clark, 1919 - Encyclopedias and dictionaries - 757 pages MichelleInSanMarcos ( talk) 18:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
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The reference to the Los Angeles celebration stands out because it is already foot-noted. I'm almost certainly that I had previously posted that the common practice in California is to transliterate the holiday's name using the Tehrani pronunciation, which is Noruz. Straight from Tehrangeles: http://www.noroozfestival.com/ . Anyhow, I see that the LA Times has indeed adopted the Nowruz transliteration. MichelleInSanMarcos ( talk) 01:28, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that with some foods, Pashtuns are also mentioned (always together with the Tajiks - that's the hint). It should be noted that while A FEW urban Pashtuns in Afghanistan (but not elsewhere) may have RECENTLY started to celebrate SOME KIND of Nowruz today under the influence of the (Persian) Tajiks, Pashtuns as a whole have never celebrated and do not celebrate this festival, as they have never been part of the Greater Iranian cultural area (similar to e.g. the ethnically Iranian Ossetians). It is therefore not suitable to mention them as this implies that Pashtuns by and large have celebrated Nowruz and that this festival is part of their mainstream culture, which it clearly isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.230.228.79 ( talk) 20:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure whether the statement that Nowruz is the date of the March equinox is true. According to /info/en/?search=March_equinox, that would be March 20 in 2018, but Nowruz 2018 is March 21. Could it be that Nowruz is the first FULL day after the March equinox? Sorry if that's a stupid question, my culture uses the Gregorian calendar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:6B0:2:2801:61E8:EE04:98CB:24E6 ( talk) 10:23, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
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please change ((Baloch)) to ((Baloch people|Baloch)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4500:1760:218:8BFF:FE74:FE4F ( talk • contribs)
https://the.ismaili/navroz discusses the importance of Nowruz for some Muslim communities, not only Ismaili Muslims. Additionally, the book source added by @RahulRamchandani delves a little deeper. In fact, the Wikipedia article even goes into its religious significance for Muslims. I would also like to add its religious significance for Bahais. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 21:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I understand this has been in discussed prior. However, I would like to bring it up one more time to the attention of WIKI page that Nowruz is in fact a wrong spelling of the word. Phonetically, it should be Norooz or Norouz. I am not sure what entity or organization have been consulted to conclude that this is the correct pronunciation. If Farhang is the organization; sadly they are not authority in this matter. Their site by itself is an indicator that they do not have a good command of English language. That by itself take the credibility to be an authority when it comes to language, Farsi or English.
Please make an effort to remove "Nowruz" as the spelling of the Persian New Year.
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So I made a recent edit that should be talked about first, requested by @ Wario-Man:. (About the other edit: in the first paragraph first month of Farvardin in the Iranian calendar will led you to the Iranian Chronologies/Calendars while Farvardin is the first month of the Solar Hijri Calendar also called Iranian Hijri Calendar, so that should be changed. It is minor)
So as we know Nowruz is a cultural occasion of people celebrating spring as in New year but it still has a "Significance". The current Significance is "New year" day. I want to change it like this page New Year's Day (1 January) where the Significance says "The first day of the Gregorian year" but then The first day of the Solar Hijri Calendar. it is just an idea, of what we could do. Casperti ( talk) 22:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the attached photo under Haft Mewa. Thank you.[ [5]] Waleedkabul ( talk) 03:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Howdy hello folks! I had a while back changed the lead image (which was of grass...pretty boring and not illustrative) to File:Mountain child.jpg, which took third place in last year's Commons photo of the year. It was reverted as too ethnic. I understand the concern, but now the infobox has...no image, which is worse. How would folks feel about having a collage of 4-5 images, which express the diversity of the holiday? Suggestions of images welcome, I ask here first because I didn't want to go to the trouble of making it without some consensus. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 20:12, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I propose changing the information about who observes Nowroz in the infobox from countries to ethnic groups. The list of countries is a bit ambiguous and most countries in the world has people who celebrate the New Year. Any thoughts? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 10:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Comment : sounds good, since too many countries in the world have people celebrating Nowruz, listing those countries seems quite irrelevant. Best.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 22:47, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I prefer something like Christmas. See the infobox, it's simple and summarized. -- Wario-Man ( talk) 07:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello - proposal to adjust the intro line. First line reads: "Nowruz (Persian: نوروز, pronounced [nowˈɾuːz]; lit. ' "new day"') is the Iranian New Year,[19][20] also known as the Persian New Year,[21][22] which is celebrated worldwide by various ethno-linguistic groups."
Proposal is to switch the order so "Persian New Year" comes first and then you can note Iranian New Year. This statement is more inclusive to the fact that many other countries (as listed later below) that were part of the Persian empire celebrate Nowruz and it is not an Iranian only new year.
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Nowruz (“new day” in Persian/Dari) is the Spring's and Solar year's first day, observed and celebrated by Persians/Farsi/Dari speaking people of countries like: Afghanistan, Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, China, Georgia, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Kashmir, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Northern Cyprus, Pakistan, Russia, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan. This day is also celebrated by Shia and Ismaili Muslims around the world. Mnakbary ( talk) 15:29, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I am from iran and i think you missed something about Eid it is eidi.when people visit each other they pay some money to little kids AbolfazlA ffjdudeu ( talk) 17:35, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
The section Nowruz#Armenia says:
Since the extinction during the 19th century, Nowruz is not celebrated by Armenians and is not a public holiday in Armenia.
Does "the extinction" here refer to the Hamidian massacres of 1890's? If so, using the term "extinction" for an ethnic group is very inappropriate and should be changed. I actually can't think of any possible situation where "extinction" would be appropriate for humans except as a whole species. Mahrud ( talk) 04:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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"also known as the Persian New Year" To the editor: Nowruz has been celebrated for more than 3000 years before the Persian empire. It was celebrated among Medes and so on... Nowruz is known as Persian New Year among Persians, Kurdish New Year among Kurds and so on for other ethnics, that sentence is misleading since Kurds, Afghans, ... are not Persian. And Not all these ethnics are Iranian (the border which is known as Iran) 2601:803:8280:6AB:2535:1B09:A2D1:2501 ( talk) 18:40, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
two things, the spelling doesn't make sense, it's literally NO-ROOZ , though ""No" means New in Farsi the Way wikipedia spells it or Google for that matter, ,, Nawruz, Norooz, Nowruz, or Nurooz, All make the phenetic sound Way off. The correct Way is as it sounds,, Norooz,,
2, All the Nations celebrating Norooz were Part of the great Persian empire, All considered One nation at the time of the invention of the solar callendar which marked the official naming of the celebrations of The spring equinox as the Persian new year start for the whole empire. Dr.hdashti ( talk) 18:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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Please remove that Nowruz is Iranian celebration only it’s celebrated among many Persian countries that Iran was part of 2600:1700:530:BD6F:58E1:8E99:5C53:F9FF ( talk) 01:11, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
I think we should rewrite the lead and cite sources that directly mention Iranian/Persian/Zoroastrian New Year. Wario-Man talk 04:51, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
@ LouisAragon: That's the point. There are enough sources there and all of them mention both terms (full names). Choose the most relevant ones and replace the current citations (in the lead) with them. 1-2 source(s) for each term = enough. No need to WP:OVERCITE. Wario-Man talk 14:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm confused by the following paragraph:
Armenia Since the extinction during the 19th century, Nowruz is not celebrated by Armenians and is not a public holiday in Armenia. However, it is celebrated in Armenia by tens of thousands of Iranian tourists who visit Armenia with relative ease.[105] The influx of tourists from Iran accelerated since around 2010–11.[106][107] In 2010 alone, around 27,600 Iranians spent Nowruz in capital Yerevan.[108]
In 2015, President Serzh Sargsyan sent a letter of congratulations to Kurds living in Armenia and to the Iranian political leadership on the occasion of Nowruz.[109]
Not sure what is meant by "extinction during the 19th century", it sounds obscure, especially in the absence of any reference to other sources. Ii think that part needs to be removed. 38.81.108.227 ( talk) 17:53, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
First day of Hijri Shamsi (Hijri Sun) Years 103.28.132.212 ( talk) 13:35, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Sorry but the information about Turkey is wrong. Almost everyone in Turkey celebrates Newroz and it not restricted to Azerbaijani Turks, Yörüks or Kurds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeynepbal84 ( talk • contribs) 10:45, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Could someone with editing privilege's correct the map in the infobox. The territories of India are not completely colored in. Thank you. 185.172.190.0 ( talk) 17:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Currently, the article states in the section "Overview" that "Nowruz is the first day of Farvardin, the first month of the Iranian solar calendar, which is the official calendar in use in Iran as well as Afghanistan". However, the Iranian Solar calendar is no longer used in Afghanistan following the Taliban takeover. The Wikipedia article on Iranian Solar calendar confirms this as well. So, if other editors can confirm that Afghanistan isn't following the Solar calendar, this should be changed to not mention Afghanistan, or mention that it formerly followed the calendar.
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The map shows Georgia as a country that observes Nowruz, yet Nowruz can not be found among their national holidays. Please change Georgia's color. Salazar the terrible ( talk) 12:59, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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I beleive it is inaccurate to describe Nowruz as Iranian or as from "Iran" as it undermines all other regions which are also persian. The Persian empire and its religion and traditions are larger than the region of "Iran" and emcompasses other regions such Afghansitan, Tadjikistan, Turkey and others. Therefore, I believe it will be more accurate to refrain from all mentions to "Iran" and keep the term "Persian" instead, ie:
"Nowruz (Persian: نوروز [noːˈɾuːz]) is the Iranian or Persian New Year..."
"It is a festival based on the Iranian Persian Solar Hijri calendar..."
"The day of Nowruz has its origins in the Iranian Persian religion of Zoroastrianism and is thus rooted in the traditions of the Iranian Persian peoples;"
Overview
"The first day of the Iranian Persian calendar falls..."
"the first month of the Iranian Persian solar calendar, which is the official calendar in use in Iran, and formerly in Afghanistan."
Please review and correct all the mentions to "Iran" or "Iranian" to "Persian" and "Persian regions" in the article. 204.138.127.13 ( talk) 13:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Now or No is the same word as new and just its pronunciation has been changed by the passage of time. Ruz is the same word as rise which its pronounciation has been changed in the same way. There are many words such as mother or brother which are in Iranian language just with different pronunciations. New Rise means new rise of the life in the spring ... 72.1.195.7 ( talk) 18:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
I would expect a more neutral wording. Filanca ( talk) 15:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran:, you reverted my edit here and mentioned it contradicts the cited sources. Would you please explain what you mean by that? This was literally in the references I cited. Do you need more references? Or you need footnotes? Also, you added Might as well add every other ethnicity that celebrates it too. My edit was not about celebration. It was about new year. Iran has Nowruz in its calendar as new year, and so does the Kurdistan Government. They call it Kurdish new year [24]. Please help me understand.This is Wikipedia:Content removal, and not accepted in Wikipedia unless there is a reason. Thanks Pirehelo ( talk) 21:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
you reverted my edit here and mentioned it contradicts the cited sources.
My edit was not about celebration. It was about new year.
They call it Kurdish new year
This is Wikipedia:Content removal, and not accepted in Wikipedia unless there is a reason.
First, These are your opinions. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability. Wikipedia is not an opinion piece! You need references for these claims. If there are references falsifying my claims please let me know. If there are disagreeing references both should be included not the ones you like.
should be resolved by references not your personal opinion.
Please explain why you removed the content I added
Either falsify my references
or I am going to add it once again. Consensus is not a unilateral thing. This is a disagreement about content and should be resolved by references not your personal opinion.
I am going to ignore the sarcasm and personal attacks and respond to your arguments
First, this article not about Nowruz as celebrated by Iranians and Persians.
Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of national promotion.
Second, if you are challenging the references, there are hundreds of peer reviewed articles calling Newroz the Kurdish new year. One of the sources I shared was peer reviewed. So are these [3], [4][5]. Also there is ample evidence from the past few centuries calling Nowruz the Kurdish or Kurdistani New Year like Mem and Zin epic from the 1690s calling Newroz New year and old Kurdistani traditon.
Third, what do you mean by what is falsification? If you don't know that, I am not sure how you engage in a scientific debate (unless your notion of science is radically different that of Popper!).
Finally, you do not have the agency to decide who is going to be blocked.
Isn't Nowruz celebrated by Afghans and several other ethnic groups as their new year? Why not adding Baháʼí Naw-Rúz to the lead section? It is their new year too. Also, the celebration of Nowruz is important for several Turkic groups. So should we open a Pandora's box? Adding dozens of Nowruz's and XYZ New Year to the lead section?! This article is similar to Christmas. It should not be bloated by stuff I mentioned. The Kurdish Nowruz does have its own article. Can you prove Kurdish Newroz = Nowruz? e.g. do Central Asians celebrate Kurdish version? Or their version of Nowruz is based on the original Zoroastrian tradition, Solar Hijri calendar, and their own traditions? How many non-Kurdish groups use Kurdish calendar? Finally, per WP:WEIGHT and WP:COMMON, is Kurdish new year an accepted term for Nowruz? How many historians, academics, and scholars use it? Does Kurdish new year have the same weight as Persian new year in academic works and reliable sources? Obviously, the answer is No. Plus, I think we should remove that bold "Iranian" from the lead too. Google results show neither Iranian nor Kurdish new year is as common as Persian new year when you search about the term Nowruz. In the end, the lead could be a better summary of other Nowruz's. I mean it is OK to mention which specific ethnic groups, regions or countries celebrate Nowruz as their new year. -- Mann Mann ( talk) 02:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Hallo, it should be corrected in the map, that Afghanistan is a country where Nawroz is celebrated also as New Year 2001:1C03:491C:EB00:E001:BC02:5649:72E5 ( talk) 17:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Currently we have five images in infobox (excluding the map), and 4/5 images are from Iran. I think the images need to be diverse (representing different regions and celebrations); e.g. 2 images from West Asia, 1 image from Central Asia, and 2 images from another region or community. @ HistoryofIran and LouisAragon: What do you think? -- Mann Mann ( talk) 03:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Though Holi signifies Spring Equinox ... its not New Year
- Hindu New Year (Not Entirety)
- Thingyan (Myanmar) 103.178.144.60 ( talk) 08:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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Source http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/nowruz-ii does not mention that it is mainly celebrated by Iranian and Turkic people. It says it has been abandoned by Turkic people. Nowruz is celebrated mainly by Iranian people. Yes, also Turkic people celebrate but it is not common among them. We can say it is celebrated by Turkic people but not mainly by them. Also, the article already mentions that some Turkic people celebrating it. Using ...celebrated by mostly Iranian peoples and Turkic peoples.. is not right since it's not part of Turkic culture and majority of Turkic people don't celebrate it.
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For example, I moved out the regional pronunciation from the historical etymology into a sub-section of its own. When I went to look for a substantiating article on a .edu site, I could not find any published work. All I could find were various spelling differences between the E. and W. Coasts of the US in accounts of NoRuz celebrations. This is a paper waiting to be written, then cited in this article. MichelleInSanMarcos ( talk) 18:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that one of the citations is from a book published in 1919. Surely later editions must have corrected the error that the Jewish calendar is lunar, as stated here. The Jewish calendar is a /info/en/?search=Lunisolar_calendar . Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics: Picts-Sacraments by James Hastings, John Alexander Selbie, Louis Herbert Gray; T. & T. Clark, 1919 - Encyclopedias and dictionaries - 757 pages MichelleInSanMarcos ( talk) 18:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
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The reference to the Los Angeles celebration stands out because it is already foot-noted. I'm almost certainly that I had previously posted that the common practice in California is to transliterate the holiday's name using the Tehrani pronunciation, which is Noruz. Straight from Tehrangeles: http://www.noroozfestival.com/ . Anyhow, I see that the LA Times has indeed adopted the Nowruz transliteration. MichelleInSanMarcos ( talk) 01:28, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that with some foods, Pashtuns are also mentioned (always together with the Tajiks - that's the hint). It should be noted that while A FEW urban Pashtuns in Afghanistan (but not elsewhere) may have RECENTLY started to celebrate SOME KIND of Nowruz today under the influence of the (Persian) Tajiks, Pashtuns as a whole have never celebrated and do not celebrate this festival, as they have never been part of the Greater Iranian cultural area (similar to e.g. the ethnically Iranian Ossetians). It is therefore not suitable to mention them as this implies that Pashtuns by and large have celebrated Nowruz and that this festival is part of their mainstream culture, which it clearly isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.230.228.79 ( talk) 20:02, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure whether the statement that Nowruz is the date of the March equinox is true. According to /info/en/?search=March_equinox, that would be March 20 in 2018, but Nowruz 2018 is March 21. Could it be that Nowruz is the first FULL day after the March equinox? Sorry if that's a stupid question, my culture uses the Gregorian calendar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:6B0:2:2801:61E8:EE04:98CB:24E6 ( talk) 10:23, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
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please change ((Baloch)) to ((Baloch people|Baloch)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4500:1760:218:8BFF:FE74:FE4F ( talk • contribs)
https://the.ismaili/navroz discusses the importance of Nowruz for some Muslim communities, not only Ismaili Muslims. Additionally, the book source added by @RahulRamchandani delves a little deeper. In fact, the Wikipedia article even goes into its religious significance for Muslims. I would also like to add its religious significance for Bahais. Hammad.511234 ( talk) 21:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I understand this has been in discussed prior. However, I would like to bring it up one more time to the attention of WIKI page that Nowruz is in fact a wrong spelling of the word. Phonetically, it should be Norooz or Norouz. I am not sure what entity or organization have been consulted to conclude that this is the correct pronunciation. If Farhang is the organization; sadly they are not authority in this matter. Their site by itself is an indicator that they do not have a good command of English language. That by itself take the credibility to be an authority when it comes to language, Farsi or English.
Please make an effort to remove "Nowruz" as the spelling of the Persian New Year.
Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Layla.dekordi ( talk • contribs) 15:32, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
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So I made a recent edit that should be talked about first, requested by @ Wario-Man:. (About the other edit: in the first paragraph first month of Farvardin in the Iranian calendar will led you to the Iranian Chronologies/Calendars while Farvardin is the first month of the Solar Hijri Calendar also called Iranian Hijri Calendar, so that should be changed. It is minor)
So as we know Nowruz is a cultural occasion of people celebrating spring as in New year but it still has a "Significance". The current Significance is "New year" day. I want to change it like this page New Year's Day (1 January) where the Significance says "The first day of the Gregorian year" but then The first day of the Solar Hijri Calendar. it is just an idea, of what we could do. Casperti ( talk) 22:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
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Please add the attached photo under Haft Mewa. Thank you.[ [5]] Waleedkabul ( talk) 03:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Howdy hello folks! I had a while back changed the lead image (which was of grass...pretty boring and not illustrative) to File:Mountain child.jpg, which took third place in last year's Commons photo of the year. It was reverted as too ethnic. I understand the concern, but now the infobox has...no image, which is worse. How would folks feel about having a collage of 4-5 images, which express the diversity of the holiday? Suggestions of images welcome, I ask here first because I didn't want to go to the trouble of making it without some consensus. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! ⚓ 20:12, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I propose changing the information about who observes Nowroz in the infobox from countries to ethnic groups. The list of countries is a bit ambiguous and most countries in the world has people who celebrate the New Year. Any thoughts? -- Semsûrî ( talk) 10:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Comment : sounds good, since too many countries in the world have people celebrating Nowruz, listing those countries seems quite irrelevant. Best.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 22:47, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I prefer something like Christmas. See the infobox, it's simple and summarized. -- Wario-Man ( talk) 07:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello - proposal to adjust the intro line. First line reads: "Nowruz (Persian: نوروز, pronounced [nowˈɾuːz]; lit. ' "new day"') is the Iranian New Year,[19][20] also known as the Persian New Year,[21][22] which is celebrated worldwide by various ethno-linguistic groups."
Proposal is to switch the order so "Persian New Year" comes first and then you can note Iranian New Year. This statement is more inclusive to the fact that many other countries (as listed later below) that were part of the Persian empire celebrate Nowruz and it is not an Iranian only new year.
Thank you
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Nowruz (“new day” in Persian/Dari) is the Spring's and Solar year's first day, observed and celebrated by Persians/Farsi/Dari speaking people of countries like: Afghanistan, Albania, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, China, Georgia, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Kashmir, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Northern Cyprus, Pakistan, Russia, Syria, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, Uzbekistan. This day is also celebrated by Shia and Ismaili Muslims around the world. Mnakbary ( talk) 15:29, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
I am from iran and i think you missed something about Eid it is eidi.when people visit each other they pay some money to little kids AbolfazlA ffjdudeu ( talk) 17:35, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
The section Nowruz#Armenia says:
Since the extinction during the 19th century, Nowruz is not celebrated by Armenians and is not a public holiday in Armenia.
Does "the extinction" here refer to the Hamidian massacres of 1890's? If so, using the term "extinction" for an ethnic group is very inappropriate and should be changed. I actually can't think of any possible situation where "extinction" would be appropriate for humans except as a whole species. Mahrud ( talk) 04:53, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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"also known as the Persian New Year" To the editor: Nowruz has been celebrated for more than 3000 years before the Persian empire. It was celebrated among Medes and so on... Nowruz is known as Persian New Year among Persians, Kurdish New Year among Kurds and so on for other ethnics, that sentence is misleading since Kurds, Afghans, ... are not Persian. And Not all these ethnics are Iranian (the border which is known as Iran) 2601:803:8280:6AB:2535:1B09:A2D1:2501 ( talk) 18:40, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
two things, the spelling doesn't make sense, it's literally NO-ROOZ , though ""No" means New in Farsi the Way wikipedia spells it or Google for that matter, ,, Nawruz, Norooz, Nowruz, or Nurooz, All make the phenetic sound Way off. The correct Way is as it sounds,, Norooz,,
2, All the Nations celebrating Norooz were Part of the great Persian empire, All considered One nation at the time of the invention of the solar callendar which marked the official naming of the celebrations of The spring equinox as the Persian new year start for the whole empire. Dr.hdashti ( talk) 18:04, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
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Please remove that Nowruz is Iranian celebration only it’s celebrated among many Persian countries that Iran was part of 2600:1700:530:BD6F:58E1:8E99:5C53:F9FF ( talk) 01:11, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
I think we should rewrite the lead and cite sources that directly mention Iranian/Persian/Zoroastrian New Year. Wario-Man talk 04:51, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
@ LouisAragon: That's the point. There are enough sources there and all of them mention both terms (full names). Choose the most relevant ones and replace the current citations (in the lead) with them. 1-2 source(s) for each term = enough. No need to WP:OVERCITE. Wario-Man talk 14:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm confused by the following paragraph:
Armenia Since the extinction during the 19th century, Nowruz is not celebrated by Armenians and is not a public holiday in Armenia. However, it is celebrated in Armenia by tens of thousands of Iranian tourists who visit Armenia with relative ease.[105] The influx of tourists from Iran accelerated since around 2010–11.[106][107] In 2010 alone, around 27,600 Iranians spent Nowruz in capital Yerevan.[108]
In 2015, President Serzh Sargsyan sent a letter of congratulations to Kurds living in Armenia and to the Iranian political leadership on the occasion of Nowruz.[109]
Not sure what is meant by "extinction during the 19th century", it sounds obscure, especially in the absence of any reference to other sources. Ii think that part needs to be removed. 38.81.108.227 ( talk) 17:53, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
First day of Hijri Shamsi (Hijri Sun) Years 103.28.132.212 ( talk) 13:35, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Sorry but the information about Turkey is wrong. Almost everyone in Turkey celebrates Newroz and it not restricted to Azerbaijani Turks, Yörüks or Kurds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeynepbal84 ( talk • contribs) 10:45, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Could someone with editing privilege's correct the map in the infobox. The territories of India are not completely colored in. Thank you. 185.172.190.0 ( talk) 17:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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Currently, the article states in the section "Overview" that "Nowruz is the first day of Farvardin, the first month of the Iranian solar calendar, which is the official calendar in use in Iran as well as Afghanistan". However, the Iranian Solar calendar is no longer used in Afghanistan following the Taliban takeover. The Wikipedia article on Iranian Solar calendar confirms this as well. So, if other editors can confirm that Afghanistan isn't following the Solar calendar, this should be changed to not mention Afghanistan, or mention that it formerly followed the calendar.
77.219.9.107 ( talk) 12:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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The map shows Georgia as a country that observes Nowruz, yet Nowruz can not be found among their national holidays. Please change Georgia's color. Salazar the terrible ( talk) 12:59, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
I beleive it is inaccurate to describe Nowruz as Iranian or as from "Iran" as it undermines all other regions which are also persian. The Persian empire and its religion and traditions are larger than the region of "Iran" and emcompasses other regions such Afghansitan, Tadjikistan, Turkey and others. Therefore, I believe it will be more accurate to refrain from all mentions to "Iran" and keep the term "Persian" instead, ie:
"Nowruz (Persian: نوروز [noːˈɾuːz]) is the Iranian or Persian New Year..."
"It is a festival based on the Iranian Persian Solar Hijri calendar..."
"The day of Nowruz has its origins in the Iranian Persian religion of Zoroastrianism and is thus rooted in the traditions of the Iranian Persian peoples;"
Overview
"The first day of the Iranian Persian calendar falls..."
"the first month of the Iranian Persian solar calendar, which is the official calendar in use in Iran, and formerly in Afghanistan."
Please review and correct all the mentions to "Iran" or "Iranian" to "Persian" and "Persian regions" in the article. 204.138.127.13 ( talk) 13:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Now or No is the same word as new and just its pronunciation has been changed by the passage of time. Ruz is the same word as rise which its pronounciation has been changed in the same way. There are many words such as mother or brother which are in Iranian language just with different pronunciations. New Rise means new rise of the life in the spring ... 72.1.195.7 ( talk) 18:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
I would expect a more neutral wording. Filanca ( talk) 15:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
@ HistoryofIran:, you reverted my edit here and mentioned it contradicts the cited sources. Would you please explain what you mean by that? This was literally in the references I cited. Do you need more references? Or you need footnotes? Also, you added Might as well add every other ethnicity that celebrates it too. My edit was not about celebration. It was about new year. Iran has Nowruz in its calendar as new year, and so does the Kurdistan Government. They call it Kurdish new year [24]. Please help me understand.This is Wikipedia:Content removal, and not accepted in Wikipedia unless there is a reason. Thanks Pirehelo ( talk) 21:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
you reverted my edit here and mentioned it contradicts the cited sources.
My edit was not about celebration. It was about new year.
They call it Kurdish new year
This is Wikipedia:Content removal, and not accepted in Wikipedia unless there is a reason.
First, These are your opinions. Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability. Wikipedia is not an opinion piece! You need references for these claims. If there are references falsifying my claims please let me know. If there are disagreeing references both should be included not the ones you like.
should be resolved by references not your personal opinion.
Please explain why you removed the content I added
Either falsify my references
or I am going to add it once again. Consensus is not a unilateral thing. This is a disagreement about content and should be resolved by references not your personal opinion.
I am going to ignore the sarcasm and personal attacks and respond to your arguments
First, this article not about Nowruz as celebrated by Iranians and Persians.
Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of national promotion.
Second, if you are challenging the references, there are hundreds of peer reviewed articles calling Newroz the Kurdish new year. One of the sources I shared was peer reviewed. So are these [3], [4][5]. Also there is ample evidence from the past few centuries calling Nowruz the Kurdish or Kurdistani New Year like Mem and Zin epic from the 1690s calling Newroz New year and old Kurdistani traditon.
Third, what do you mean by what is falsification? If you don't know that, I am not sure how you engage in a scientific debate (unless your notion of science is radically different that of Popper!).
Finally, you do not have the agency to decide who is going to be blocked.
Isn't Nowruz celebrated by Afghans and several other ethnic groups as their new year? Why not adding Baháʼí Naw-Rúz to the lead section? It is their new year too. Also, the celebration of Nowruz is important for several Turkic groups. So should we open a Pandora's box? Adding dozens of Nowruz's and XYZ New Year to the lead section?! This article is similar to Christmas. It should not be bloated by stuff I mentioned. The Kurdish Nowruz does have its own article. Can you prove Kurdish Newroz = Nowruz? e.g. do Central Asians celebrate Kurdish version? Or their version of Nowruz is based on the original Zoroastrian tradition, Solar Hijri calendar, and their own traditions? How many non-Kurdish groups use Kurdish calendar? Finally, per WP:WEIGHT and WP:COMMON, is Kurdish new year an accepted term for Nowruz? How many historians, academics, and scholars use it? Does Kurdish new year have the same weight as Persian new year in academic works and reliable sources? Obviously, the answer is No. Plus, I think we should remove that bold "Iranian" from the lead too. Google results show neither Iranian nor Kurdish new year is as common as Persian new year when you search about the term Nowruz. In the end, the lead could be a better summary of other Nowruz's. I mean it is OK to mention which specific ethnic groups, regions or countries celebrate Nowruz as their new year. -- Mann Mann ( talk) 02:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Hallo, it should be corrected in the map, that Afghanistan is a country where Nawroz is celebrated also as New Year 2001:1C03:491C:EB00:E001:BC02:5649:72E5 ( talk) 17:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Currently we have five images in infobox (excluding the map), and 4/5 images are from Iran. I think the images need to be diverse (representing different regions and celebrations); e.g. 2 images from West Asia, 1 image from Central Asia, and 2 images from another region or community. @ HistoryofIran and LouisAragon: What do you think? -- Mann Mann ( talk) 03:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Though Holi signifies Spring Equinox ... its not New Year
- Hindu New Year (Not Entirety)
- Thingyan (Myanmar) 103.178.144.60 ( talk) 08:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)