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Who is in charge of this nation now that they've merged? Is there a single leader or are the leaders of the individual people's republic ruling side by side? The article mentions a president, so who is the President? Toolen ( talk) 22:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Not if their constitutions have been merged. I guess that just means that Novorossiya is just a weak confederation that has yet to choose a central leader. 205.232.106.254 ( talk) 20:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
That's only right name of country. Or may be Newrussia, but NOT new Russia, it's impossible: not part of Russia (or you think so?)) 77.41.94.113 ( talk) 19:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC) 77.41.94.113 ( talk) 19:36, 25 May 2014 (UTC)Pavel
According to this article former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko is used in a Novorossiya propaganda movie... Yushchenko was the one who awarded ultranationalist leader Stepan Bandera the title of Hero of Ukraine.... Novorossiya claims to protect people from supporters of Bandera.... And is using a photo of Yuchenko as an example of a "courageous defender" of Novorossiya.... Should this embarrassing mistake be mentioned in this, or another, Wikipedia article? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:54, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm only aware of South Ossetia being recognised by Abkhazia and Transnistria. What's the 3rd unrecognised state recognising it? Would it be Kosovo? If so, I can't find any sources to support it. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
The other day I edited this page, and added that the FSN was partially recognised/limited recognition, as it is recognised by South Ossetia, which in turn is recognised by several UN member States, why was that edit undone? Unrecognised means by its very definition, not recognised by any other State but FSN is recognised by another State, that being South Ossetia. South Ossetia is a State, a non-UN member but a State nonetheless. The existence of a recognised State isn't dependent on UN membership. So could someone explain please why the edit was undone? Thing is, as it is now, the page is simply incorrect. Cheers. Martioh ( talk) 04:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Why are we using a user generated map in this article? The editor producing the map claims www.rnbo.gov.ua as the source, but looking at the latest August 28 map we can see that they are different [1] [2]. 92.2.66.209 ( talk) 16:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Is it a coincidence that the flag looks similiar the Confederacy? -- 2.246.39.224 ( talk) 09:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Propaganda? For what? The only secessionists in the Southern United States I'm aware of are those idiots in the League of the South. Nobody is seriously considering seceding from the Union. Toolen ( talk) 22:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I've removed it due to its violating WP:NPOV. Epicgenius ( talk) 20:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
This is what the article states about the "Manifesto of National Front of Liberation of Ukraine, Novorossiya and Carpathian Russia": "The key subject of the movement is called "the nation" and the main purpose of the movement is to "protect the nation's interests". Sorry, but I couldn't find it in the reference given. This appears to be flat out false. It does not mention the word "nation" (нация) at all. -- 80.7.87.151 ( talk) 22:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
The article should feature pre-war and current population estimates for the rebel controlled areas (IMHO). Fakirbakir ( talk) 23:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/751315
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_Oblast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_Oblast — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.7.137.211 ( talk) 15:37, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts have a total territory of 53,201 square kilometers. A third of this is New Russia. This amounts to about 17,700 square kilometers.
Sources:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/russia-urges-ukraine-to-talk-with-rebels-on-status-1410260966
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_Oblast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_Oblast — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.7.137.211 ( talk) 15:49, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
The article contains the flag proposed by Oleh Tsarov some time ago, but we don't see it used anywhere. Every single photo featuring Novorossiya's symbols has the "naval jack" variant. The new variant could as well be personal project of Tsarov, maybe even nothing more than associating this Russian nationalist symbol with Novorossiya. So could we get the "naval jack" back? What kind of evidence is necessary to override evidence in favour of black-yellow-white? 217.76.2.162 ( talk) 05:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Nicolay Sidorov. I've noted some edit warring over the use of one or the other flag, so I think some form of consensus needs to be reached as to the use of the flag which has not as yet been adopted. Use of the proposed new peacetime flag is contingent on the Federation coming into being, therefore shouldn't be displayed in the infobox per WP:CRYSTAL. My understanding is that, in the second conference, Tsarov is elaborating on adopting the triband (and what it alludes to, if, indeed, the triband is adopted) to usurp the naval jack because of its connotations of being awash with blood. Currently, there is no recognised federation, therefore the flag is a projection into the future. If it belongs anywhere, it would require a section on the flag to be added, although I suspect that would be WP:UNDUE. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 23:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Could some one please update the Flag of the Federal State of Novorossiya page? I would update the page myself but I am not familiar enough with the flag dispute to edit the page. Elevatorrailfan ( talk) 02:21, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Ymaq4m1zY Seems like they are trying to establish a court system — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.57.245 ( talk) 02:58, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
"...is a self-proclaimed confederation of Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic, claiming the territory of Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast in eastern Ukraine, which share a border with Russia."
"... is a self-declared confederation of the internationally under-recognised Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic, claiming and de facto administering the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk, which are internationally recognised as Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast, part of eastern Ukraine, which share a border with Russia."(in the lead, no less) is not 'Maintaining NPOV' as per the user's edit summary, but the antithesis: it doesn't get much more heavily POV and highly unencyclopaedic. The ES for the user's revert was a blatant personal attack. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 23:00, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
"Declaring yourself to be a state and not being recognised by official bodies (governments, UN, etc.) does not automatically make the declared state unrecognised. No official support means that you don't get a look in. Frankly, I could declare my front doorstep an independent state. I could get hundreds of people to sign a petition demanding that my doorstep should be recognised as an independent state. I could get media coverage over my dispute and sympathisers for my right to have my front step recognised as an independent state. The fact, however, will remain that no official entities recognise my front doorstep as anything other than my front doorstep in one of the states of Australia, therefore it will not be added to this list as an unrecognised state."-- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 03:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
An editor
removed a list that was originally it's own article,
International recognition of Novorossiya, but was later
merged. They said South Ossetia recognized LNR and DNR, not Novorossia
. I
undid the removal saying that's why the DNR and LNR are listed separately
, but my edits were once again undone by the same editor who said South Ossetia did not recognize "Novorossia", which is the subject of this page
. Since I'm placed under
WP:1RR, I have to bring this issue to the talk page.
The original page for the
International recognition of Novorossiya was merged, so I don't see why making new articles titled
International recognition of the Donetsk People's Republic or
International recognition of the Lugansk People's Republic would help. There wouldn't be enough content for each page, since each entity is recognized by two other disputed entities (it's sister and South Ossetia). But, since these entities within Novorossiya have received recognition to some degree, the list should be included. To have separate lists for them wouldn't be convenient, since we already have a merger seen at
International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Note that the DNR and LNR are, and always have been, listed separately on the list and that no entity has ever recognized Novorossiya as a sovereign state, as it doesn't claim to be that either.
Soffredo
22:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I know the name sometimes throws people off, but the Christian Science Monitor is a widely respected and reputable source. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 05:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Novorossiya (confederation). RGloucester — ☎ 16:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that we all know that the present title is unsatisfactory in every way. I don't want to rehash the New Russia ([Novorossiya] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: text has italic markup ( help)) thing, and I'm sure that everyone knows where I stand on that issue. However, I've not seen this "federal state" business used in any reliable sources anywhere. Where is this derived from? If no sources can be provided, it should be eliminated from the title. RGloucester — ☎ 03:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I've just nominated this for deletion. I don't have a strong feeling yet what to do with it, but I'm not happy with the current state. Maybe a delete discussion will pull in more editors and focus the debate? Legacypac ( talk) 03:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
On December 12, 2014, the "
Declaration of State Sovereignty of Novorossiya" was amended. According to translation, it describes an entity known as the Union of Sovereign Republics of the State of Novorossiya "as a free and independent state [that] has the authority to declare war, conclude peace, contract alliances, engage in international trade, and to take any other action which is entitled to any independent state."
[5] Did the
DNR and
LNR merge into one? Have they seized to exist and now Novorossiya has taken their place?
24.44.176.72 (
talk)
23:33, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
"It states that the only official language is Russian, which only makes sense, since most Ukrainians over twenty are not able to use Ukrainian in an official or professional capacity. Except in the case of nationalist extremists, the use of Ukrainian is restricted to rurral areas, whereas Russian is a world language."Please indicate, by the use of reliable, not biased sources, blogs, forums, etc., where this assertion about Ukrainians of 'a certain age' are Russophones unless they're nationalist extremists or from rural areas has come from? Are you alluding to the fact that, under Soviet governance, you couldn't get a job outside of being a farm labourer or factory labourer unless you were fully literate in the Russian language? This is not a venue for sweeping generalisations, as well you know. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 03:49, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I am getting really annoyed with Herzen using Wikipedia to spread his ideas around the world through Wikipedia. Talkpages are only to be used for discussing the subject of the article, the subject of this article is not "knowledge of the Ukrainian language in Ukraine"). When will he learn that Wikipedia is not a forum. If you want to change the world: become a politician. If you want to tell people what is going on: become a journalist. If you want to write an encyclopaedia: become a Wikipedia editor. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:25, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Why were there never elections held of the Novorossiya parliament? This could have been done during the Donbass general elections, 2014. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:43, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
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Who is in charge of this nation now that they've merged? Is there a single leader or are the leaders of the individual people's republic ruling side by side? The article mentions a president, so who is the President? Toolen ( talk) 22:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Not if their constitutions have been merged. I guess that just means that Novorossiya is just a weak confederation that has yet to choose a central leader. 205.232.106.254 ( talk) 20:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
That's only right name of country. Or may be Newrussia, but NOT new Russia, it's impossible: not part of Russia (or you think so?)) 77.41.94.113 ( talk) 19:39, 25 May 2014 (UTC) 77.41.94.113 ( talk) 19:36, 25 May 2014 (UTC)Pavel
According to this article former Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko is used in a Novorossiya propaganda movie... Yushchenko was the one who awarded ultranationalist leader Stepan Bandera the title of Hero of Ukraine.... Novorossiya claims to protect people from supporters of Bandera.... And is using a photo of Yuchenko as an example of a "courageous defender" of Novorossiya.... Should this embarrassing mistake be mentioned in this, or another, Wikipedia article? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:54, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm only aware of South Ossetia being recognised by Abkhazia and Transnistria. What's the 3rd unrecognised state recognising it? Would it be Kosovo? If so, I can't find any sources to support it. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 00:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
The other day I edited this page, and added that the FSN was partially recognised/limited recognition, as it is recognised by South Ossetia, which in turn is recognised by several UN member States, why was that edit undone? Unrecognised means by its very definition, not recognised by any other State but FSN is recognised by another State, that being South Ossetia. South Ossetia is a State, a non-UN member but a State nonetheless. The existence of a recognised State isn't dependent on UN membership. So could someone explain please why the edit was undone? Thing is, as it is now, the page is simply incorrect. Cheers. Martioh ( talk) 04:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Why are we using a user generated map in this article? The editor producing the map claims www.rnbo.gov.ua as the source, but looking at the latest August 28 map we can see that they are different [1] [2]. 92.2.66.209 ( talk) 16:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Is it a coincidence that the flag looks similiar the Confederacy? -- 2.246.39.224 ( talk) 09:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Propaganda? For what? The only secessionists in the Southern United States I'm aware of are those idiots in the League of the South. Nobody is seriously considering seceding from the Union. Toolen ( talk) 22:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I've removed it due to its violating WP:NPOV. Epicgenius ( talk) 20:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
This is what the article states about the "Manifesto of National Front of Liberation of Ukraine, Novorossiya and Carpathian Russia": "The key subject of the movement is called "the nation" and the main purpose of the movement is to "protect the nation's interests". Sorry, but I couldn't find it in the reference given. This appears to be flat out false. It does not mention the word "nation" (нация) at all. -- 80.7.87.151 ( talk) 22:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
The article should feature pre-war and current population estimates for the rebel controlled areas (IMHO). Fakirbakir ( talk) 23:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/751315
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_Oblast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_Oblast — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.7.137.211 ( talk) 15:37, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts have a total territory of 53,201 square kilometers. A third of this is New Russia. This amounts to about 17,700 square kilometers.
Sources:
http://online.wsj.com/articles/russia-urges-ukraine-to-talk-with-rebels-on-status-1410260966
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_Oblast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_Oblast — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.7.137.211 ( talk) 15:49, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
The article contains the flag proposed by Oleh Tsarov some time ago, but we don't see it used anywhere. Every single photo featuring Novorossiya's symbols has the "naval jack" variant. The new variant could as well be personal project of Tsarov, maybe even nothing more than associating this Russian nationalist symbol with Novorossiya. So could we get the "naval jack" back? What kind of evidence is necessary to override evidence in favour of black-yellow-white? 217.76.2.162 ( talk) 05:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Nicolay Sidorov. I've noted some edit warring over the use of one or the other flag, so I think some form of consensus needs to be reached as to the use of the flag which has not as yet been adopted. Use of the proposed new peacetime flag is contingent on the Federation coming into being, therefore shouldn't be displayed in the infobox per WP:CRYSTAL. My understanding is that, in the second conference, Tsarov is elaborating on adopting the triband (and what it alludes to, if, indeed, the triband is adopted) to usurp the naval jack because of its connotations of being awash with blood. Currently, there is no recognised federation, therefore the flag is a projection into the future. If it belongs anywhere, it would require a section on the flag to be added, although I suspect that would be WP:UNDUE. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 23:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Could some one please update the Flag of the Federal State of Novorossiya page? I would update the page myself but I am not familiar enough with the flag dispute to edit the page. Elevatorrailfan ( talk) 02:21, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Ymaq4m1zY Seems like they are trying to establish a court system — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.57.245 ( talk) 02:58, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
"...is a self-proclaimed confederation of Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic, claiming the territory of Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast in eastern Ukraine, which share a border with Russia."
"... is a self-declared confederation of the internationally under-recognised Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic, claiming and de facto administering the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk, which are internationally recognised as Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast, part of eastern Ukraine, which share a border with Russia."(in the lead, no less) is not 'Maintaining NPOV' as per the user's edit summary, but the antithesis: it doesn't get much more heavily POV and highly unencyclopaedic. The ES for the user's revert was a blatant personal attack. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 23:00, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
"Declaring yourself to be a state and not being recognised by official bodies (governments, UN, etc.) does not automatically make the declared state unrecognised. No official support means that you don't get a look in. Frankly, I could declare my front doorstep an independent state. I could get hundreds of people to sign a petition demanding that my doorstep should be recognised as an independent state. I could get media coverage over my dispute and sympathisers for my right to have my front step recognised as an independent state. The fact, however, will remain that no official entities recognise my front doorstep as anything other than my front doorstep in one of the states of Australia, therefore it will not be added to this list as an unrecognised state."-- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 03:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
An editor
removed a list that was originally it's own article,
International recognition of Novorossiya, but was later
merged. They said South Ossetia recognized LNR and DNR, not Novorossia
. I
undid the removal saying that's why the DNR and LNR are listed separately
, but my edits were once again undone by the same editor who said South Ossetia did not recognize "Novorossia", which is the subject of this page
. Since I'm placed under
WP:1RR, I have to bring this issue to the talk page.
The original page for the
International recognition of Novorossiya was merged, so I don't see why making new articles titled
International recognition of the Donetsk People's Republic or
International recognition of the Lugansk People's Republic would help. There wouldn't be enough content for each page, since each entity is recognized by two other disputed entities (it's sister and South Ossetia). But, since these entities within Novorossiya have received recognition to some degree, the list should be included. To have separate lists for them wouldn't be convenient, since we already have a merger seen at
International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Note that the DNR and LNR are, and always have been, listed separately on the list and that no entity has ever recognized Novorossiya as a sovereign state, as it doesn't claim to be that either.
Soffredo
22:57, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I know the name sometimes throws people off, but the Christian Science Monitor is a widely respected and reputable source. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 05:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to Novorossiya (confederation). RGloucester — ☎ 16:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
I think that we all know that the present title is unsatisfactory in every way. I don't want to rehash the New Russia ([Novorossiya] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: text has italic markup ( help)) thing, and I'm sure that everyone knows where I stand on that issue. However, I've not seen this "federal state" business used in any reliable sources anywhere. Where is this derived from? If no sources can be provided, it should be eliminated from the title. RGloucester — ☎ 03:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I've just nominated this for deletion. I don't have a strong feeling yet what to do with it, but I'm not happy with the current state. Maybe a delete discussion will pull in more editors and focus the debate? Legacypac ( talk) 03:50, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
On December 12, 2014, the "
Declaration of State Sovereignty of Novorossiya" was amended. According to translation, it describes an entity known as the Union of Sovereign Republics of the State of Novorossiya "as a free and independent state [that] has the authority to declare war, conclude peace, contract alliances, engage in international trade, and to take any other action which is entitled to any independent state."
[5] Did the
DNR and
LNR merge into one? Have they seized to exist and now Novorossiya has taken their place?
24.44.176.72 (
talk)
23:33, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
"It states that the only official language is Russian, which only makes sense, since most Ukrainians over twenty are not able to use Ukrainian in an official or professional capacity. Except in the case of nationalist extremists, the use of Ukrainian is restricted to rurral areas, whereas Russian is a world language."Please indicate, by the use of reliable, not biased sources, blogs, forums, etc., where this assertion about Ukrainians of 'a certain age' are Russophones unless they're nationalist extremists or from rural areas has come from? Are you alluding to the fact that, under Soviet governance, you couldn't get a job outside of being a farm labourer or factory labourer unless you were fully literate in the Russian language? This is not a venue for sweeping generalisations, as well you know. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 03:49, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
I am getting really annoyed with Herzen using Wikipedia to spread his ideas around the world through Wikipedia. Talkpages are only to be used for discussing the subject of the article, the subject of this article is not "knowledge of the Ukrainian language in Ukraine"). When will he learn that Wikipedia is not a forum. If you want to change the world: become a politician. If you want to tell people what is going on: become a journalist. If you want to write an encyclopaedia: become a Wikipedia editor. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:25, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Why were there never elections held of the Novorossiya parliament? This could have been done during the Donbass general elections, 2014. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:43, 12 January 2015 (UTC)