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This is just a note to let you know that I'm done with copyediting the article. I hope I helped and didn't mess things up too much. As you can see, I removed a bunch of wiki links from words that I felt were too general or commonly known. For example, I removed the states from "Chicago, Illinois" etc. because I felt these cities were all well-known enough to stand by themselves.
I also want to talk to you about one of the images in this article: File:Wiki-prostitute.png, the drawing of the woman leaning on the car window. I think it should be removed. It doesn't have anything in particular to do with this movie, and honestly, I think it portrays a pretty stereotypical view of prostitution, something this movie tried to refute.
Anyhoo, have a good one. Bobnorwal ( talk) 18:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
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Overall, this article looks close to ready for promotion, and you've done a great job on it (documentaries can be pretty hard to find a sufficient number of sources for). I'll put the article on hold until the things mentioned above are addressed. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 01:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
An awful lot of this is based on Nancy Keefe Rhodes's article in Stone Canoe. In fact, that is the only item in the Bibliography as of now. This is not bad of itself, but there are places where the article ceases to be about the film and instead is about the article. For instance
...audiences' views on contemporary slavery are nonetheless influenced by the slave-like imagery in such films as Hustle & Flow (2005) and Black Snake Moan (2007). The Academy Award-winning Hustle & Flow portrays a pimp as the hero, while Black Snake Moan features Christina Ricci as a young nymphomaniac; the marketing for Black Snake Moan centered on evocative, sexualized slave imagery, including a scantily-clad Ricci in chains.
Link to version of 17 November; link to Rhodes article. These are interesting points, but they are points made by Rhodes in her article, not Bilheimer in his film, and therefore not directly pertinent to the Themes section of this article. Regardless of the fact that this now has Featured Article status, it needs to be edited to stay focused on the film, and not stray off into tangential discussion about slavery or its perception in the modern world. 86.41.35.180 ( talk) 14:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
I have not seen Blake Snake Moan but so far as I know Ricci's character is not identified as a slave. The source (Rhodes) does not make such an assertion, instead stressing the usage of slave imagery in the marketing.
Finally, I have passed over the paraphrase of my own article's discussion of the notion of "slavery" as something historical, over-with, & different from modern "human trafficking." It's a bit fuzzy as it appears in this article & could be improved. What I say is...
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@86.41.33.150: your general point about keeping focus on the film itself and avoiding straying too far into tangential questions is well taken, but I think the article really doesn't stray so far as you're saying. Ms. Rhodes's interpretation of the film's purpose, however much it's her own interpretation rather than Bilheimer's, is enlightening for the reader of the Wikipedia article, and is clearly enough attributed that there's no confusion between opinion and fact. Although the FAC discussion doesn't address precisely the point that you make, the fact that there was an extensive discussion there involving Rhodes herself, in which she approved of edits made as a result of that discussion, assures us that we haven't misrepresented her or said anything incompatible with her knowledge of Bilheimer's thinking. So I think that removing this content would be a loss to the article, for no gain. Kind regards, Stfg ( talk) 12:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC) |
According to an interview with Bilheimer outside the film, an assistant district attorney, who was contacted to help a friend of Angie's prepare her testimony, "asked her to ... give him a blow job before he talked to her". I had to re-read this sentence 4 times before I could make sense of it---there are too many nested modifiers for my brain. Instead of fixing it, I would like to delete it because this section pertains to the "contents" of the movie, but this sentence appears to refer to something that isn't actually part of the movie. Any objections? Phlar ( talk) 22:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
This article was on the front page of Wikipedia a couple of weeks ago, yet nobody appears to even be watching the talk page! Or at least nobody seems to be bothered to respond to serious questions about the content. I'm going to simply delete the sentences referred to in the two sections above, as nobody has come up with any ideas for improving them. 86.41.47.125 ( talk) 14:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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What kinds of conversations, if any, are going on behind the scenes about how to represent this topic? A: They are trying to bring light to this topic and show people that human trafficking still goes on today. People should speak about human trafficking more because it is something that is still going on in the world. In various parts of the world children are being forced into human trafficking without having a say or a choice. This is something that should be stopped. I feel as though we should use our resources and try to help the people who are going through this type of abuse. Gjose3 Gjose3 ( talk) 19:15, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
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I'm concerned about unreliable sources, overuse of the Rhodes piece, and misrepresentation of sources. According to Wikipedia, the article "depicts the commodification of millions of people and identifies the practices of traffickers as undermining international economics, security, sustainability and health". Obviously a film can't "depict" millions of people and the source does not support the sentence. Therefore I'm listing it with other FAs that need to be checked. b uidh e 06:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
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This is just a note to let you know that I'm done with copyediting the article. I hope I helped and didn't mess things up too much. As you can see, I removed a bunch of wiki links from words that I felt were too general or commonly known. For example, I removed the states from "Chicago, Illinois" etc. because I felt these cities were all well-known enough to stand by themselves.
I also want to talk to you about one of the images in this article: File:Wiki-prostitute.png, the drawing of the woman leaning on the car window. I think it should be removed. It doesn't have anything in particular to do with this movie, and honestly, I think it portrays a pretty stereotypical view of prostitution, something this movie tried to refute.
Anyhoo, have a good one. Bobnorwal ( talk) 18:52, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hey Neelix, I'll review this. Initial comments should be posted in the next twenty-four hours. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 01:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
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Overall, this article looks close to ready for promotion, and you've done a great job on it (documentaries can be pretty hard to find a sufficient number of sources for). I'll put the article on hold until the things mentioned above are addressed. -- 1ST7 ( talk) 01:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
An awful lot of this is based on Nancy Keefe Rhodes's article in Stone Canoe. In fact, that is the only item in the Bibliography as of now. This is not bad of itself, but there are places where the article ceases to be about the film and instead is about the article. For instance
...audiences' views on contemporary slavery are nonetheless influenced by the slave-like imagery in such films as Hustle & Flow (2005) and Black Snake Moan (2007). The Academy Award-winning Hustle & Flow portrays a pimp as the hero, while Black Snake Moan features Christina Ricci as a young nymphomaniac; the marketing for Black Snake Moan centered on evocative, sexualized slave imagery, including a scantily-clad Ricci in chains.
Link to version of 17 November; link to Rhodes article. These are interesting points, but they are points made by Rhodes in her article, not Bilheimer in his film, and therefore not directly pertinent to the Themes section of this article. Regardless of the fact that this now has Featured Article status, it needs to be edited to stay focused on the film, and not stray off into tangential discussion about slavery or its perception in the modern world. 86.41.35.180 ( talk) 14:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
I have not seen Blake Snake Moan but so far as I know Ricci's character is not identified as a slave. The source (Rhodes) does not make such an assertion, instead stressing the usage of slave imagery in the marketing.
Finally, I have passed over the paraphrase of my own article's discussion of the notion of "slavery" as something historical, over-with, & different from modern "human trafficking." It's a bit fuzzy as it appears in this article & could be improved. What I say is...
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@86.41.33.150: your general point about keeping focus on the film itself and avoiding straying too far into tangential questions is well taken, but I think the article really doesn't stray so far as you're saying. Ms. Rhodes's interpretation of the film's purpose, however much it's her own interpretation rather than Bilheimer's, is enlightening for the reader of the Wikipedia article, and is clearly enough attributed that there's no confusion between opinion and fact. Although the FAC discussion doesn't address precisely the point that you make, the fact that there was an extensive discussion there involving Rhodes herself, in which she approved of edits made as a result of that discussion, assures us that we haven't misrepresented her or said anything incompatible with her knowledge of Bilheimer's thinking. So I think that removing this content would be a loss to the article, for no gain. Kind regards, Stfg ( talk) 12:46, 16 December 2014 (UTC) |
According to an interview with Bilheimer outside the film, an assistant district attorney, who was contacted to help a friend of Angie's prepare her testimony, "asked her to ... give him a blow job before he talked to her". I had to re-read this sentence 4 times before I could make sense of it---there are too many nested modifiers for my brain. Instead of fixing it, I would like to delete it because this section pertains to the "contents" of the movie, but this sentence appears to refer to something that isn't actually part of the movie. Any objections? Phlar ( talk) 22:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
This article was on the front page of Wikipedia a couple of weeks ago, yet nobody appears to even be watching the talk page! Or at least nobody seems to be bothered to respond to serious questions about the content. I'm going to simply delete the sentences referred to in the two sections above, as nobody has come up with any ideas for improving them. 86.41.47.125 ( talk) 14:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
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What kinds of conversations, if any, are going on behind the scenes about how to represent this topic? A: They are trying to bring light to this topic and show people that human trafficking still goes on today. People should speak about human trafficking more because it is something that is still going on in the world. In various parts of the world children are being forced into human trafficking without having a say or a choice. This is something that should be stopped. I feel as though we should use our resources and try to help the people who are going through this type of abuse. Gjose3 Gjose3 ( talk) 19:15, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Gjose3 ( talk) 19:14, 2 December 2018 (UTC)-- Gjose3 ( talk) 19:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm concerned about unreliable sources, overuse of the Rhodes piece, and misrepresentation of sources. According to Wikipedia, the article "depicts the commodification of millions of people and identifies the practices of traffickers as undermining international economics, security, sustainability and health". Obviously a film can't "depict" millions of people and the source does not support the sentence. Therefore I'm listing it with other FAs that need to be checked. b uidh e 06:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)