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I've always known this line as Great Northern Electrics and I'm pretty certain that that's how it was signposted at Moorgate until relatively recently. Are my suspicions correct and, if so, could someone who knows more expand the article a little to explain how? :o) — OwenBlacker 15:16, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
In the article it says this: The name "Northern City Line" has been revived to refer to the underground part of the route. I wondered in what sense this is true - who revived it, and what usage does it get? I mean, we are talking about it here under that name because, well, that's its name and (as noted above) it's important to have a name that specifies the line, not a service that happens to run on it. But where's this "revival" - do WAGN use it or something? Or TFL?? I am not trying to be argumentative here - I really want to know! :) -- Nevilley 23:06, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I am of trusting that my additional of mileage data is not upsetting of any person. Have I been doing of wrong?? Please be lenient to me if my action is not of acceptable. I am meaning to be true. I regret my doing. I am taking of reparations.
Canterberry
00:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Why do some people seem to have such a bugbear about including interchanges on the line diagram for this line? The line interchanges with the Northern Line at Moorgate and Old Street, and with the Victoria Line at Highbury and Finsbury Park, not to mention also interchanging with the North London Line at H&I and Thameslink at Moorgate, and yet every attempt to put these on the diagram is met with almost immediate reverting. Why is this? Hammersfan 02/05/07, 12.49 BST
BTW, you are in danger of violating WP:3RR. DrFrench 15:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Having examined the recent history of this route map, I realise I am treading on eggshells here...
I have been bold and revised the map again, however, this has been done with careful thought:
The result is a routemap that shows just the essential route and historical information. (Remembering that this article is about a section of railway line, not just a train service.) Indeed, it should now be possible to re-instate the mileage figures added earlier by User:Canterberry without affecting the clarity of the map.
EdJogg 23:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
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I have started an argument here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Do_the_railway_line_maps_conflict_with_WP:NOT.3F Canterberry 18:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Could someone maybe put Lothbury on the line diagram? I would but I'm having trouble understanding the map's syntax. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by OutrageousBenedict ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
As well as changing the diagram to better reflect the subject of the article I have removed the 20m dimension from the note on EMU's and platform length. I have done this because 20m (about 60 feet) is barely the length of one full size carriage and so cannot be the length of one EMU let alone two (a valid alternative reading of the original text). Britmax ( talk) 20:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed that section (proposal to link WGC and Hounslow via the GN&City and the W&CR); there is no party political dimension to this, it's just that it was a proposal in 2009 that is now no longer Party policy. There was a 2009 "citation needed" and a dead link. Afterbrunel ( talk) 21:00, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
This was a serious (and remarkable) incident and could have cost lives. Should something be included in the article or do we only add information about fatal incidents?-- Shantavira| feed me 09:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
In the text it says 'Until recently, it also served Moorgate surface-level station...' When did the changeover happen? Jackiespeel ( talk) 10:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
"Services were cut back from Finsbury Park to Drayton Park in 1964, to make room for the Victoria line to use the low-level platforms at Finsbury Park. The former Piccadilly line platforms became the northbound Piccadilly and Victoria lines' platforms, and the former Northern City Line platforms the southbound equivalents."
This is rather unclear. I presume the second sentence quoted is referring to Finsbury Park - that could be made explicit. - but what does "Services were cut back from Finsbury Park to Drayton Park" mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.93.63 ( talk) 17:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
OK. I think I understand, but it is still unclear. I think the writer means that the under ground line was joined to the ECML between Drayton Park and Finsbury Park and that it stopped using the low level platforms at Finsbury Park (which platforms were handed over to the Victoria and Picadilly lines).
So the under ground line services that were using the Finsbury Park low level terminus platforms started to use Drayton Park as a terminus so that the Victoria and Piccadilly could use the low level platforms at Finsbury Pk.
That makes logical sense (I hope!). Maybe it is even factual! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.93.63 ( talk) 18:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I note that in the infrastructure section, it is stated that Between Drayton Park and Moorgate, there is no Automatic Warning System or Train Protection & Warning System equipment provided, due to the position of the auxiliary return rail. All signals are multiple aspect colour light signals fitted with train stop arms. However, it seems as if the mechanical train stops have been removed and TPWS loops have taken their place at some point. The information on the resignalling that I've seen seems to only make mention of ETCS, but no mention of the removal of train stops - is there any source on them being removed? Twchb ( talk) 02:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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I've always known this line as Great Northern Electrics and I'm pretty certain that that's how it was signposted at Moorgate until relatively recently. Are my suspicions correct and, if so, could someone who knows more expand the article a little to explain how? :o) — OwenBlacker 15:16, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)
In the article it says this: The name "Northern City Line" has been revived to refer to the underground part of the route. I wondered in what sense this is true - who revived it, and what usage does it get? I mean, we are talking about it here under that name because, well, that's its name and (as noted above) it's important to have a name that specifies the line, not a service that happens to run on it. But where's this "revival" - do WAGN use it or something? Or TFL?? I am not trying to be argumentative here - I really want to know! :) -- Nevilley 23:06, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I am of trusting that my additional of mileage data is not upsetting of any person. Have I been doing of wrong?? Please be lenient to me if my action is not of acceptable. I am meaning to be true. I regret my doing. I am taking of reparations.
Canterberry
00:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Why do some people seem to have such a bugbear about including interchanges on the line diagram for this line? The line interchanges with the Northern Line at Moorgate and Old Street, and with the Victoria Line at Highbury and Finsbury Park, not to mention also interchanging with the North London Line at H&I and Thameslink at Moorgate, and yet every attempt to put these on the diagram is met with almost immediate reverting. Why is this? Hammersfan 02/05/07, 12.49 BST
BTW, you are in danger of violating WP:3RR. DrFrench 15:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Having examined the recent history of this route map, I realise I am treading on eggshells here...
I have been bold and revised the map again, however, this has been done with careful thought:
The result is a routemap that shows just the essential route and historical information. (Remembering that this article is about a section of railway line, not just a train service.) Indeed, it should now be possible to re-instate the mileage figures added earlier by User:Canterberry without affecting the clarity of the map.
EdJogg 23:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
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I have started an argument here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_Railways#Do_the_railway_line_maps_conflict_with_WP:NOT.3F Canterberry 18:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Could someone maybe put Lothbury on the line diagram? I would but I'm having trouble understanding the map's syntax. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by OutrageousBenedict ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
As well as changing the diagram to better reflect the subject of the article I have removed the 20m dimension from the note on EMU's and platform length. I have done this because 20m (about 60 feet) is barely the length of one full size carriage and so cannot be the length of one EMU let alone two (a valid alternative reading of the original text). Britmax ( talk) 20:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I have removed that section (proposal to link WGC and Hounslow via the GN&City and the W&CR); there is no party political dimension to this, it's just that it was a proposal in 2009 that is now no longer Party policy. There was a 2009 "citation needed" and a dead link. Afterbrunel ( talk) 21:00, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
This was a serious (and remarkable) incident and could have cost lives. Should something be included in the article or do we only add information about fatal incidents?-- Shantavira| feed me 09:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
In the text it says 'Until recently, it also served Moorgate surface-level station...' When did the changeover happen? Jackiespeel ( talk) 10:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
"Services were cut back from Finsbury Park to Drayton Park in 1964, to make room for the Victoria line to use the low-level platforms at Finsbury Park. The former Piccadilly line platforms became the northbound Piccadilly and Victoria lines' platforms, and the former Northern City Line platforms the southbound equivalents."
This is rather unclear. I presume the second sentence quoted is referring to Finsbury Park - that could be made explicit. - but what does "Services were cut back from Finsbury Park to Drayton Park" mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.93.63 ( talk) 17:49, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
OK. I think I understand, but it is still unclear. I think the writer means that the under ground line was joined to the ECML between Drayton Park and Finsbury Park and that it stopped using the low level platforms at Finsbury Park (which platforms were handed over to the Victoria and Picadilly lines).
So the under ground line services that were using the Finsbury Park low level terminus platforms started to use Drayton Park as a terminus so that the Victoria and Piccadilly could use the low level platforms at Finsbury Pk.
That makes logical sense (I hope!). Maybe it is even factual! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.93.63 ( talk) 18:01, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I note that in the infrastructure section, it is stated that Between Drayton Park and Moorgate, there is no Automatic Warning System or Train Protection & Warning System equipment provided, due to the position of the auxiliary return rail. All signals are multiple aspect colour light signals fitted with train stop arms. However, it seems as if the mechanical train stops have been removed and TPWS loops have taken their place at some point. The information on the resignalling that I've seen seems to only make mention of ETCS, but no mention of the removal of train stops - is there any source on them being removed? Twchb ( talk) 02:10, 10 November 2022 (UTC)