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Hello @ Fylindfotberserk, I opened this discussion to discuss about the meaning and the region covered by th term "North India". So, of the sources provided, none of them actually deal with "North India". All of them are government classified divisions for the Geological Survey of India, Inter-State Council Secretariat and Ministry of Culture and deal with official political divisions called "Northern Zone" and "Northern Region", for which a dedicated article already exists. This article is about the term "North India" and the much popular interpretation is that part of India excluding the South (and the North-East). The region indicated by this article doesn't very commonly refer to North India and again, an article on Northern Zonal Council, already exists. None of the sources provided actually deal with "North India".
I do not request the scope of this article be completely change but instead, both interpretations be mentioned in the lead, instead of just the one currently present, such that readers aren't confused. PadFoot2008 ( talk) 12:37, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Is there any way to include the historical broader interpretation of North India, in which Pakistan and Bangladesh would also be included? For example, I can't think of any reason why Bangladesh wouldn't have been considered North Indian before Partition if West Bengal was considered so.
Perhaps, as a way to avoid the controversy of equating foreign countries with India, we can include a line in the article equating North India in its broadest interpretation with the predominantly Indo-Aryan parts of South Asia? This might also include a place like Nepal into the region, though the Sinhalese parts of Sri Lanka would have to be excluded because of geographical separateness. GreekApple123 ( talk) 00:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of North India's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "PetragliaAllchin":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 09:38, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
The map showed in the lede ( File:North India opinion map.svg) suggests Northeast India can be considered a North Indian subregion on the basis that North India is sometimes defined as "India outside of the South"; but I have never seen anything suggesting the Northeast can be considered part of North India. I believe the broadest possible interpretation of North India is "India outside of the South and Northeast". GreekApple123 ( talk) 14:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Katkar123596, do not edit war. This version of the article was established by a talk consensus many months ago. (See #Region) Prove your point here rather than in the revision history page and try to get popular consensus. PadFoot2008 ( talk) 14:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
I am not sure why File:North India.png is seen as a better representation of North India than File:North India opinion map.svg. It seems obviously better to show the varying interpretations of the region (including the broadest one) rather than to only show the broadest interpretation. GreekApple123 ( talk) 15:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
In the first line of the article:
North India in a broader geographic context, refers to the northern part of India or, historically of the Indian subcontinent,
Can we put a link to Northern Indian subcontinent (which is currently a redirect to Northern South Asia)? GreekApple123 ( talk) 02:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk @ PadFoot2008: It's true that some people might have different opinions on regional classifications. Maharashtra and Goa are generally not considered part of North India due to their geographical location, cultural heritage, and historical significance. They have distinct characteristics that differentiate them from states typically classified as part of North India. Additionally, their cultural, practices and historical influences not aligned with North India. katkar ( talk) 18:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello PadFoot2008! I notice in this edit you introduced a significant amount of material. Problem is, almost none of the footnotes in that material are defined here, leaving it almost completely unreferenced. In fact, there are more than three dozen undefined footnotes. What was the source of this text? Was it copied from somewhere else on Wikipedia? Do you have a plan for fixing these problems? The edits are more than eight months old. -- Mikeblas ( talk) 01:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi @ PadFoot2008! I noticed significant changes you have made to the page without proper references/sources. May I know, What is the reference here for regions - Northwest India, West India, Central India and East India are the sub-regions of North India? Also you have removed significant content from history in this edit. What you are trying to prove here? It seems from edit history, you wholly controlling this page. If you have any sources, do you have any plan to add History, Culture or Places of these regions? I think this Classification cant be done or should not be done on basis of language or group of languages (The only section you have changed or focused after adding these regions). Please try to understand this page is about the region called 'North India' and not about Indo-Aryan's or Indo-Aryan Languages or not about region outside of South India. Ericku ( talk) 19:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Why are Bihar, West Bengal, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh, Odisha, and Goa included in North India?? Whakayis ( talk) 20:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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Hello @ Fylindfotberserk, I opened this discussion to discuss about the meaning and the region covered by th term "North India". So, of the sources provided, none of them actually deal with "North India". All of them are government classified divisions for the Geological Survey of India, Inter-State Council Secretariat and Ministry of Culture and deal with official political divisions called "Northern Zone" and "Northern Region", for which a dedicated article already exists. This article is about the term "North India" and the much popular interpretation is that part of India excluding the South (and the North-East). The region indicated by this article doesn't very commonly refer to North India and again, an article on Northern Zonal Council, already exists. None of the sources provided actually deal with "North India".
I do not request the scope of this article be completely change but instead, both interpretations be mentioned in the lead, instead of just the one currently present, such that readers aren't confused. PadFoot2008 ( talk) 12:37, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Is there any way to include the historical broader interpretation of North India, in which Pakistan and Bangladesh would also be included? For example, I can't think of any reason why Bangladesh wouldn't have been considered North Indian before Partition if West Bengal was considered so.
Perhaps, as a way to avoid the controversy of equating foreign countries with India, we can include a line in the article equating North India in its broadest interpretation with the predominantly Indo-Aryan parts of South Asia? This might also include a place like Nepal into the region, though the Sinhalese parts of Sri Lanka would have to be excluded because of geographical separateness. GreekApple123 ( talk) 00:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of North India's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "PetragliaAllchin":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 09:38, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
The map showed in the lede ( File:North India opinion map.svg) suggests Northeast India can be considered a North Indian subregion on the basis that North India is sometimes defined as "India outside of the South"; but I have never seen anything suggesting the Northeast can be considered part of North India. I believe the broadest possible interpretation of North India is "India outside of the South and Northeast". GreekApple123 ( talk) 14:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
@ Katkar123596, do not edit war. This version of the article was established by a talk consensus many months ago. (See #Region) Prove your point here rather than in the revision history page and try to get popular consensus. PadFoot2008 ( talk) 14:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
I am not sure why File:North India.png is seen as a better representation of North India than File:North India opinion map.svg. It seems obviously better to show the varying interpretations of the region (including the broadest one) rather than to only show the broadest interpretation. GreekApple123 ( talk) 15:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
In the first line of the article:
North India in a broader geographic context, refers to the northern part of India or, historically of the Indian subcontinent,
Can we put a link to Northern Indian subcontinent (which is currently a redirect to Northern South Asia)? GreekApple123 ( talk) 02:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk @ PadFoot2008: It's true that some people might have different opinions on regional classifications. Maharashtra and Goa are generally not considered part of North India due to their geographical location, cultural heritage, and historical significance. They have distinct characteristics that differentiate them from states typically classified as part of North India. Additionally, their cultural, practices and historical influences not aligned with North India. katkar ( talk) 18:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello PadFoot2008! I notice in this edit you introduced a significant amount of material. Problem is, almost none of the footnotes in that material are defined here, leaving it almost completely unreferenced. In fact, there are more than three dozen undefined footnotes. What was the source of this text? Was it copied from somewhere else on Wikipedia? Do you have a plan for fixing these problems? The edits are more than eight months old. -- Mikeblas ( talk) 01:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi @ PadFoot2008! I noticed significant changes you have made to the page without proper references/sources. May I know, What is the reference here for regions - Northwest India, West India, Central India and East India are the sub-regions of North India? Also you have removed significant content from history in this edit. What you are trying to prove here? It seems from edit history, you wholly controlling this page. If you have any sources, do you have any plan to add History, Culture or Places of these regions? I think this Classification cant be done or should not be done on basis of language or group of languages (The only section you have changed or focused after adding these regions). Please try to understand this page is about the region called 'North India' and not about Indo-Aryan's or Indo-Aryan Languages or not about region outside of South India. Ericku ( talk) 19:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Why are Bihar, West Bengal, Madhya Pradesh, Gujarat, Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh, Odisha, and Goa included in North India?? Whakayis ( talk) 20:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)