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"21% of New York City's employed residents work in North Bergen." I've just removed it. If there's a better way to word this, then it should be done, but I have no idea what was meant by this statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.62.34 ( talk) 03:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
As a youngster who was not from New Jersey, I remember it being interesting that NJ had a "North Bergen" and a "Bergen County" but North Bergen was actually south of Bergen County. Perhaps this could be included as a clarification statement (because I didn't understand it at first when I was a little kid) Erifnam ( talk) 02:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Why does the Geography section make such an issue about NB, UC and JC meeting in a single point? Obviously, any three areas on a plane can meet only at a single point (or not at all). For example, NB, JC and Secaucus meet at Secaucus Rd and Penhorn Ave; NB, UC and WNY meet at 48th St and JFK; NB, WNY and Guttenberg meet at 68th St and JFK; etc. This would be significant only in solid geometry; for example, if the space 200 feet above the ground was a different municipality. What's so special about NB, UC and JC that we have to mention it twice (in the 2nd 'graph and in the Transfer Station bullet)? -- RoyGoldsmith ( talk) 11:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the redundant category "people from North Bergen, New Jersey". However, Alansohn has twice added it back. I would like to avoid an edit war. This category "people from North Bergen, New Jersey" is redundant, because the parent category "North Bergen, New Jersey" is also on the article. This violates WP:SUBCAT, which states that "a page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory or parent category". User:Alansohn has masqueraded his category addition as a "see also", which appears to be an attempt at subverting accepted policy. Furthermore, even if both the parent and child category were to stay, the child category "people from North Bergen, New Jersey" is incorrectly placed. WP:CATDEF states clearly that "category declarations are placed at the end of the wikitext". Thank you for your input. Magnolia677 ( talk) 06:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I've seen many articles over the years for cities that had a list of notables and at the top of the list was a see also to the corresponding category for "Category:People from Foo". As a see also, the article is *NOT* added to the category. I've since implemented that practice and seen it in use in hundreds of articles. For example, the Notable people section in the article for North Bergen, New Jersey has a see also link at the top of the section to Category:People from North Bergen, New Jersey, and this practice is widely implemented without issue; If you click on Category:People from North Bergen, New Jersey, you don't see the North Bergen article in the category. This practice serves several purposes: 1) In the exact goal of WP:CLN, it allows the embedded list of notables in "Foo" city articles to be updated from the corresponding "Category:People from Foo" and vice versa; 2) It serves as a marker to remind those adding notables to the embedded list to remember to add the entry to the corresponding category; 3) It allows the category to be readily carried over when the embedded list is turned into a standalone article; and 4) it provides a gateway to allow readers to use the category system to navigate across other categories for notables from the same area.
The far bigger issue here is that the premise raised by Magnolia677 is completely and totally wrong. There is a big difference between 1) "[[Category:People from North Bergen, New Jersey]]" and 2) "[[:Category:People from North Bergen, New Jersey]]"; Option 1 (without the initial colon) adds the category to the article, but it's not being used here. In turn, option 2 (with a colon) does not, and we do this in Wikipedia all the time. The "see also" implements option 2 and does *NOT* add the subcategory, so the presence of the parent is irrelevant. This issue was raised and settled months ago at WT:CLN, where the response was "that Magnolia677 seems to essentially concede your points in favor of including the cat link. The complaint about the wrong articles being placed in categories is 1) not relevant here on the issue of where a category link should be placed, and 2) fixable by editing the improperly categorized articles." Perpetuating his battle, Magnolia677 unfortunately misrepresents how this category is being used and is forum shopping to try to find some way to win the fight he has already lost. Alansohn ( talk) 15:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Please note:
Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 16:52, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
In the article the section on notables is set up in such a way:
People who were born in, residents of, or otherwise closely associated with North Bergen include:
- person
- person
- person
Using a category as a see also is an appropriate way to keep a list of nameplace notables up-to-date and well targeted w/o disrupting category hierarchy. Djflem ( talk) 18:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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"21% of New York City's employed residents work in North Bergen." I've just removed it. If there's a better way to word this, then it should be done, but I have no idea what was meant by this statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.33.62.34 ( talk) 03:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
As a youngster who was not from New Jersey, I remember it being interesting that NJ had a "North Bergen" and a "Bergen County" but North Bergen was actually south of Bergen County. Perhaps this could be included as a clarification statement (because I didn't understand it at first when I was a little kid) Erifnam ( talk) 02:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Why does the Geography section make such an issue about NB, UC and JC meeting in a single point? Obviously, any three areas on a plane can meet only at a single point (or not at all). For example, NB, JC and Secaucus meet at Secaucus Rd and Penhorn Ave; NB, UC and WNY meet at 48th St and JFK; NB, WNY and Guttenberg meet at 68th St and JFK; etc. This would be significant only in solid geometry; for example, if the space 200 feet above the ground was a different municipality. What's so special about NB, UC and JC that we have to mention it twice (in the 2nd 'graph and in the Transfer Station bullet)? -- RoyGoldsmith ( talk) 11:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the redundant category "people from North Bergen, New Jersey". However, Alansohn has twice added it back. I would like to avoid an edit war. This category "people from North Bergen, New Jersey" is redundant, because the parent category "North Bergen, New Jersey" is also on the article. This violates WP:SUBCAT, which states that "a page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory or parent category". User:Alansohn has masqueraded his category addition as a "see also", which appears to be an attempt at subverting accepted policy. Furthermore, even if both the parent and child category were to stay, the child category "people from North Bergen, New Jersey" is incorrectly placed. WP:CATDEF states clearly that "category declarations are placed at the end of the wikitext". Thank you for your input. Magnolia677 ( talk) 06:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I've seen many articles over the years for cities that had a list of notables and at the top of the list was a see also to the corresponding category for "Category:People from Foo". As a see also, the article is *NOT* added to the category. I've since implemented that practice and seen it in use in hundreds of articles. For example, the Notable people section in the article for North Bergen, New Jersey has a see also link at the top of the section to Category:People from North Bergen, New Jersey, and this practice is widely implemented without issue; If you click on Category:People from North Bergen, New Jersey, you don't see the North Bergen article in the category. This practice serves several purposes: 1) In the exact goal of WP:CLN, it allows the embedded list of notables in "Foo" city articles to be updated from the corresponding "Category:People from Foo" and vice versa; 2) It serves as a marker to remind those adding notables to the embedded list to remember to add the entry to the corresponding category; 3) It allows the category to be readily carried over when the embedded list is turned into a standalone article; and 4) it provides a gateway to allow readers to use the category system to navigate across other categories for notables from the same area.
The far bigger issue here is that the premise raised by Magnolia677 is completely and totally wrong. There is a big difference between 1) "[[Category:People from North Bergen, New Jersey]]" and 2) "[[:Category:People from North Bergen, New Jersey]]"; Option 1 (without the initial colon) adds the category to the article, but it's not being used here. In turn, option 2 (with a colon) does not, and we do this in Wikipedia all the time. The "see also" implements option 2 and does *NOT* add the subcategory, so the presence of the parent is irrelevant. This issue was raised and settled months ago at WT:CLN, where the response was "that Magnolia677 seems to essentially concede your points in favor of including the cat link. The complaint about the wrong articles being placed in categories is 1) not relevant here on the issue of where a category link should be placed, and 2) fixable by editing the improperly categorized articles." Perpetuating his battle, Magnolia677 unfortunately misrepresents how this category is being used and is forum shopping to try to find some way to win the fight he has already lost. Alansohn ( talk) 15:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Please note:
Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 16:52, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
In the article the section on notables is set up in such a way:
People who were born in, residents of, or otherwise closely associated with North Bergen include:
- person
- person
- person
Using a category as a see also is an appropriate way to keep a list of nameplace notables up-to-date and well targeted w/o disrupting category hierarchy. Djflem ( talk) 18:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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