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why isn't there anything in here about all of the anti-transgendered stuff he said on weekend update?? i think the fact that he has beef with the queer community should DEFINITLEY be on here, since adolf hitler's page is all about him hating/slaughtering jews, you know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.65.25.220 ( talk) 03:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
if this is true, give proof by adding a link to any evidence of such things. thanks Sumguy333 23:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Could someone mention Norm's appearance on the celebrity edition of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? He surpassed all the other contestants and only did not win the full million because a nervous Regis Philbin talked him into walking away before he could guess the correct answer to the final question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.18.35.37 ( talk) 22:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
"footballer-turned-acquitted of all charges" is bad grammar and nonsensical usage to boot, so I've removed it. I understand what the editor was likely trying to do, namely remove perceived bias from the previous statement "footballer-turned-suspected murderer". I'm going to play grammar gestapo here and remove that reference as well, not for bias as he was suspected of murder at the time Norm was released from SNL, but because of the way it was worded. If the author wants to reintroduce this text, please rewrite it into more formal English. Isotope23 16:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Anyone know if this guy Neil MacDonald is really Norm's brother? -- Daniel Lotspeich 01:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Added a filmography. Only includes movies at the moment, but maybe someone wants to expand on it to include his numerous television appearences. -- Relax Relapse 23:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and information than would be expected of a Stub, but requires more cleanup, inline citations and referencing. I have assessed this as Mid importance, as I do feel that the subject of this article is well-known outside of Canada. Cheers, CP 17:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The article should include mention of his appearance on Celebrity Who Wants to be a Millionaire. I don't know the date of his appearance. He was the last one to make it to the stage because of his (purposely?) poor performance on the fastest finger questions. However, once on stage he did very well. He should have been the only celebrity to actually win the million dollars for his charity. He verbally stated the correct answer to the million dollar question, but host Regis Philbin talked him out of submitting it as his "final answer." Norm looked visibly upset after it was revealed that his answer was in fact correct.
I remember that. "Okay, fine. Final Answer." "But you would've been right!" DeathWeed 07:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not positive he was in Complaint Box. Imdb lists it as him, but it was only a voice, and he wasn't credited in the episode. Additionally, the role of Jimmy's Lawyer was taken over by Drake Sather (a newsradio producer/writer), who sounded kinda like Norm. Unless someone knows of another source (not drawing from imdb) that says it was Norm, I'd suggest removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsteger ( talk • contribs) 07:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
this line . . . "(which may be accentual, due to his French-Canadian upbringing)" makes no sense to me. I was born and raised in Québec, but as an English-Quebecer. Norm MacDonald did not have a "French-Canadian upbringing." I'm going to remove that line, unless somebody has proof.-- Rob NS 04:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
i don't think middle schools teach whole courses on genetics per se. it was probably a biology course. Toyokuni3 ( talk) 15:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think high schools hire genetics teachers, maybe science teachers. Landroo ( talk) 12:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't remember anyone by the name of Steve in the game. There's no one by the name of Steve in the credits in the manual, and Norm MacDonald is not listed either. If someone could clear this up, I'd appreciate it. IncoherentMoron ( talk) 04:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request. Since this nomination might be used as the poster child for application of our primary topic policy, i.e., a 100 to 1 disparity for the proposed primary's use over all other uses combined, which means, if not moved, 99% of those looking for articles with the common title would find themselves somewhere other than the page they sought, the opposition is less than convincing.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Norm Macdonald (comedian) → Norm Macdonald — Norm Macdonald is currently a dab page listing this comedian; Norm Macdonald (politician); and Norm McDonald (Australian footballer). The comedian seems to be by far the primary topic for the name (meaning that users are much more likely to be looking for this man than the other two), and the footballer isn't even named Norm Macdonald. Propaniac ( talk) 13:20, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
It's Macdonald, not MacDonald. Check his web site: http://www.normnews.com As well, CBC.ca says his brother Neil's name is spelled Macdonald. Alaric the Goth 00:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Do we have any further insight into the spelling issue? Right now, the spelling within the article is different from the title of the page. We have to be able to do better than this. If we're not sure which is right, we can at least be consistent. Croctotheface ( talk) 02:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
He spells his name "MacDonald", according to his MySpace page. Now, who you gonna' trust — a barely literate C-student journalism major, a fan site run by high school drop-outs, or the man himself? Besides, no self-respecting Scotsman or person of MacDonald descent would spell his family name "Macdonald". — Quicksilver T @ 23:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Norm's Twitter and Facebook pages now reflect spelling with lowercase "d". Also, on Season 7 of "High Stakes Poker" the "d" is lowercase.
It seems his new employer, Comedy Central, and Norm himself have settled this dispute about how Norm spells his own name. The name of his new show on Comedy Central is called "Sports Show with Norm Macdonald" -lowercase 'd'. All the press releases, all the mention of the show on Comedy Central's webpages for the show spell it with lowercase 'd' also. So I am going to go to correct MacDonald on title page to Macdonald. April 30, 2011 RedEyedCajun ( talk) 06:45, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
After reading further down this page, I noticed there was more debate. Also, I found out it is not so easy to change that title (not having done a 'move' before) and I don't want to really mess things up by making a mistake, especially since there is another page titled "Norm Macdonald" that redirects to "Norm MacDonald" and that page would need to be involved in this title change. But it should be clear to everyone now that Norm does spell his name with a lowercase 'd' ...Macdonald. It should be changed now by someone who knows how to do it. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 07:32, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
After carrying out the move I noticed that the article spells the name with a capital D—that is, MacDonald, as opposed to Macdonald, while the move request I carried out was from a lowercase spelling to lowercase spelling. Some above talked about the capitalization issue in relation to other titles, but it seems no one, including me, picked up on that there is a question about this regarding the comedian . Searching Google books for <"norm macdonald" "saturday night live">, while MacDonald is more common, there are many with the lowercase spelling as well. Can we get some clarity on this secondary issue? I don't think we need a formal move request for this.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
As of April 2011, Norm and Comedy Central have named his new show "Sports Show with Norm Macdonald" -lowercase 'd'. Also, on the show's webpage at Comedy Central, you can click on a link that is a bio page for "Norm Macdonald". I don't see how this debate can go any further. Someone needs to change the title of this article to "Norm Macdonald" ASAP! After all, this is a living person who deserves to have his name spelled the way he obviously wants it spelled.
RedEyedCajun (
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08:29, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Just for laughs and giggles, here's a monkey-wrench in the works: When I did a spell check on MacDonald, it came up as a misspelled word. The suggested spellings in this order were: Macdonald, Mac Donald (with a space between c & D), McDonald, Madonna,... There was no listing for MacDonald. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 08:04, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Difficult discussion to follow. I didn't see any objections to the move. If this was not consensus, please leave a note on my talk page. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Norm MacDonald →
Norm Macdonald – Per the discussion
directly above here, and a previous discussion
higher on this page, how shall we title this article: Macdonald or MacDonald? It would also be good to get some clarity on the name to be used throughout the article (possibly the article itself should mention the naming discrepancy). The fact of the matter is that the D's capitalization varies across many reliable sources without any thus far seen which refer to the naming issue itself, but just present his name either one way of the other. I take it from that long variance over his career that Mr. Macd/Donald himself may not care very much or he could have clarified the issue but it would be good to get it right and to have the article's title and his name's use internally not be at odds.--
Fuhghettaboutit (
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12:40, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I didn't realize that I was opening up such a can-of-worms. I just assumed Norm spelled his name the way all the Comedy Central press releases and their website for the new Sports Show were spelling it - Macdonald. I guess I really stepped right in it...that wasn't my intention at all. I now believe Norm must have some personal issue with the spelling of his last name. I do agree with Fuhghettabout that this issue needs to be resolved - for consistency and accuracy. To that end, I have emailed Comedy Central questioning their spelling his name with a 'd' (instead of 'D') when it appears Norm spelled it MacDonald in past work credits. So far, no response from them. I will be very surprised if they do respond. I also looked at the Screen Actors Guild website, but they do not have an online list of registered stage names.
RedEyedCajun (
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05:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I offer the following evidence supporting change to Macdonald:
I am trying to find reliable personal and work sources as close to Norm as possible. I have dismissed outright the print press because journalists are notorious for spelling names wrong. Above, Fuhghettaboutit cited The New York Times as support for the MacDonald version. However, I found this article in The New York Times where they use the Macdonald version, thus proving my point that the print press is an unreliable source when it comes to spelling names. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 01:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I want to respectfully address several points Fuhghettaboutit cited above as proof supporting the MacDonald version. "It appears Norm co-authored a book ("Screwed") where his name was spelled with the upper case D: 3." First, "Screwed" is a movie starring Norm and possibly co-written by him. Second, the website cited is not the official website for the movie, and the MacDonald version found on it was typed in by a person, who may or may not have "corrected" the spelling in the 'press kit' to the more common and familiar MacDonald; therefore, it is an unreliable source. The official website for "Screwed" has no mention of Norm, at least as far as I can find, so no help there in this matter. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 07:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Further, Fuhghettaboutit mentions an SNL archive website, which may or may not be an official NBC SNL website (probably not). However, on the official SNL website they do use the MacDonald version. But again, this is done by people who are typing in this info many years (or decade) after the shows Norm appeared in were broadcast. Did they also "correct" Macdonald to the more common and familiar MacDonald, as so many so-called journalists and bloggers have apparently done, compounding this name error? I now truly believe so, and I now believe this is how this name debate started and is being kept alive - through compounded Web and print press error, both past and present. I would prefer to see the original SNL video showing the version of Macd/Donald that was used in the original on-screen credits as orignally broadcast. But I suspect, like so many TV and movie credits, they spell the entire name in capital letters, so probably no help there in this matter.
RedEyedCajun (
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07:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I finally got a look at Norm's many different Facebook accounts and myspace account. As far as I can tell, except for one version of a Facebook account which appears to be an old Facebook account created by a fan, they appear to be 'real' and all use the MacDonald version. However, Norm admitted on David Letterman's show that he isn't interested in the Internet, computers or computer savvy, so did he hire some outside computer geek to set up and manage these accounts and they "corrected" his name from Macdonald to the more familiar MacDonald? (probably yes) Has Norm ever even bothered to look at these pages? From looking at these pages, I see no evidence to support an assumption that he has looked at them. Most stars (especially those not computer savvy) hire someone to set-up and manage their facebook and myspace accounts because it takes so much time. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 07:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
So, that only leaves Norm's personal Twitter account. I still can't view Norm's personal Twitter account, which I know he personally uses because he recently tweeted Robin Williams Steve Martin while on the Letterman show (a fact well documented on the Web). A post above by 98.82.153.131 says Norm personally tweets using the Macdonald version. Is this true or not? If its true, then I think ALL the reliable evidence I have presented above is overwhelming that Norm spells his name Macdonald. Therefore, if true, I respectfully request again that the title be changed, pages be moved as necessary and all mention on Wiki pages of Norm Macdonald(actor and comedian) be changed to reflect the correct spelling (as far as any reasonable person can humanly determine) of this living person's name. And if we are wrong, then Norm has no one to blame but himself!
RedEyedCajun (
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07:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
In my 05:33,3 May 2011 post, I stated "it appears Norm spelled it MacDonald in past work credits." After many hours wasted on this, I have not been able to confirm that assumption, so I now retract that statement. Addendum: In fact, the only work credits I have been able to find use the Macdonald version. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 07:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
The section:
Since Norm Macdonald became popular on SNL, there has been great confusion in the print press and on the Internet about the proper capitalization of Norm Macdonald's surname. Even so-called reliable sources, like The New York Times, are unreliable when it comes to Macdonald's surname, sometimes using both versions (Macdonald / MacDonald) within the same article. Much of this confusion stems from the fact that most (if not all) movie and TV credits display performer's names entirely in uppercase lettering. This leaves journalists and bloggers with the responsibility to either do the hard research to find the correct surname version or make the easy (but wrong) assumption that Macdonald uses the more common version: MacDonald.
While the Internet helped propagate the incorrect version of Macdonald's surname, in early 2011, the Internet played a major role in helping to correct this festering surname confusion. In April 2011, Macdonald and Comedy Central named his new show Sports Show with Norm Macdonald on their web site and in press releases.[1] Also, the Game Show Network web site, where Macdonald is the new host of High Stakes Poker, has his credit as Macdonald.[2] Macdonald did many interviews to promote these new shows. In these interviews, Macdonald discussed his older brother Neil Macdonald, who is an award-winning CBC News journalist.[3] Also, since 4-3-2011, Norm Macdonald's verified twitter account[4] has been changed to display "Norm Macdonald" on his tweets.[5]
For more in depth information on this surname issue, please see 'Requested move 2' on this article's Discussion page.
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Surely there's no need for an in-depth account regarding the confusion of Norm Macdonald's surname in the article? As far as I'm concerned, the article should be about the person and not his name. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San ( talk) 16:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Norman Gene "Norm" Macdonald, with his surname sometimes presented as MacDonald[1][2][3] (born October 17, 1963), is a Canadian stand-up comedian, writer and actor...
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- I'm pretty sure that Norm isnt bilingual - he grew up in Quebec, and has said several times that he didnt learn French, but instead learned Latin. In addition, lots of English people growing up in Quebec didnt learn French, due to cultural conflict, back in the 50s/60s/70s.
- He said in this interview ( http://www.comedycouch.com/interviews/nmacdonald.htm) that he didn't learn to speak French, and took Latin in high school. I doubt he's fluent in Latin, and therefore not bilingual.
He said on the Tonight show that he isn't Scottish. His family - originally Polish - changed their name.
- That was for the purposes of a joke and goes against what he's said many times, which is that he is Scottish. At least his father is. I have seen people say that his mother is Jewish because her name was Cohen, but it's also an Irish name and he mentioned in passing on a podcast recently (I can't remember what podcast) that she is Irish. Mole Playing Rough ( talk) 07:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
im hesitant to remove it, but i changed the wording. i dont think a link to a radio interview recording is valid. and, of course, he may be joking, as he is a comedian... Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 03:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
He's said similar things in Maxim. "I don't care for sex. I find it an embarrassing, dull exercise. I prefer sports, where you can win." He's never specifically identified as "asexual" as far as I've seen. I believe it when he's said he's been celibate for a decade, but I'm not so quick to take that to mean he considers himself an asexual man.
76.26.29.169 (
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20:02, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Originally, this was ==Politics== and someone deleted the section. I put it back, renamed it, and noted the paradox of his claiming to be apolitical, and still making political jokes. That Clinton joke got Norm a lot of free publicity. I added (see Vince Foster) to put the Clinton joke in context. -- Lexein 07:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1417874830.htm and Google Newsgroup archive - both refer to Norm on the 11/16/2000 "The View" joking "Clinton... he killed a guy..." . Still seeking video or official transcript of that appearance. At least the date is right. Notable because Norm joked about Clinton in this manner for many years, including SNL's Weekend Update(1996). This doesn't go in the main article yet. -- Lexein 06:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
FFS it was just a joke! He was just being ridic. He wanted to be annoying. He's a comedy genius and wants nothing more than to be funny. I heard him telling this story on a radio program ten years later and it was just really funny. He couldn't care less about politics. Obv Clinton didn't murder a guy. That's the joke. 91.155.237.252 ( talk) 05:27, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Edit: And oh now I see the main article. Like srsly Norm is just telling the truth. He has nothing against Clinton. Just everything against being unfunny. 91.155.237.252 ( talk) 05:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Nationality was listed as French Canadian. Two things wrong with this. One, that's not a nationality (Quebec is not a separate country yet), and two, just because he's from Quebec does not mean he's French-Canadian. I've changed to just Canadian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.149.244 ( talk) 01:46, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Norm has said that he reads a lot of books by Russian authors, particularly Tolstoy. He says that they are his comedic influences. http://wsf1027fm.blogspot.fi/2012/07/podcast-episode-287ish-norm-macdonald.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.81.204 ( talk) 16:14, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Plus Tolstoy was big on the chat show circuit in 19th century Russia :) 83.217.122.76 ( talk) 16:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
http://www.bdcwire.com/heres-the-really-weird-story-norm-macdonald-told-about-bob-dylan-last-night/
Norm Macdonald on Bob Dylan if it is of any use here? EDLIS Café 20:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdRicardo ( talk • contribs)
So all his bios say he was born in 1963, but a couple weeks ago Geoff Edgers at The Washington Post did a story about Norm where he claimed he was born in 1959. The story can be read here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/entertainment/norm-macdonald/
The relevant line is this: "He tells everyone he was born in 1963, but he was really born in 1959."
This has now seemingly been confirmed by Norm's brother Neil Macdonald, who works for CBC News. Neil put out an article today about Norm's new book: http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/arts/norm-macdonald-book-1.3740268
It includes a photo of the two of them as children, accompanied by this caption: "Norm Macdonald's first day of school in Valcartier, Que., circa 1964. Norm was five in this photo, and his brother Neil, on the right, was seven."
Later he writes: "I've known Norm for nearly 57 years, and still can't say I know what he really thinks."
Regardless of what the bios say, I think it's pretty clear the guy was born in '59. Certainly his brother has no reason to lie. As far as the day and the month, Edgers refers to Norm as 56 rather than 57, which would mean his birthday hasn't yet come around this year. Similarly, Neil says he's known Norm for NEARLY 57 years. This would lead me to believe the October 17 date might very well be correct, we've just got the wrong year. However, that's just speculation.
With all this said, I recommend changing Norm's birth date to 1959, with no day or month until those are confirmed.
Agreed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.253.251 ( talk) 15:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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This article is due for an overhaul. It's full of fan-centric trivia and minutiae, draws too heavily from primary sources (e.g. SNL episodes, passing quotes and interviews) which neglects due weight and makes this read more like one person's analysis of Macdonald ("As of May 2017, Macdonald has continued to evolve in his standup" reads like pure editor opinion, and actually says nothing). The Career section needs better structure than mere chronology. I'll e working to improve structure and coverage in the coming weeks. --Animalparty! ( talk) 21:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Norm does not have a sister named Leslie. He has a brother whose name is Leslie. For some strange reason, I correct this and it shows up again. 71.247.229.53 02:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.247.229.53 ( talk) 02:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
Norm is a former student of Algonquin College in Ottawa where he studied Television Broadcasting.
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174.115.252.239 (
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01:42, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok, How is this? Norm has a sibling named Leslie? That way you keep them guessing and whining for more. FoxFactChechChick ( talk) 10:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
the political views section is little more than an assortment of two or three political jokes and a quote concerning his stance on comedie about politicians. so why does it exist? to me it just looks like overzealous trivia noting, and i think it should be removed. ad the one or two facts in somewhere in the article.
whole heartedly: somebody who gets mad at bloted wikepedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E2:373C:1A3B:EC08:CB9D:6261:6B38 ( talk) 17:12, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Right now it is just SNL and post-SNL, and the post-SNL section is a just series of short career updates, patchwork project by project. In a way it's fair, as his career has been somewhat inconsistent since SNL, and his profile perhaps hasn't been as high as it was during Weekend Update. Still I think it could be improved and I'd suggest strusturing it with headings on his standup and standup specials, his TV and Netflix shows, his podcast, and maybe his chat show appearances. Would make everything a bit clearer if nothing else. -- Otsima ( talk) 14:50, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
His myspace page says he's 68. I saw his show in Toronto tonight and he said he was 68 as well.
http://www.myspace.com/normmacdonald
On 3/14/20 while onstage, Norm states "I am 68 years young". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-skA4GhVX7k&feature=emb_logo (Chamblis edit)-- Chamblis ( talk) 15:56, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Which means either he's lying or he couldn't have attended grade school in the 70's or be 43 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.228.44 ( talk) 03:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
"MACDONALD - On Saturday, October 17, 1959, to Mr. and Mrs. Percy Macdonald (nee Ferne Mains) Valcartier, Quebec, a son. A brother for Neil." - Ottawa Citizen, October 23, 1959, page 44. 24.68.80.249 ( talk) 03:23, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
" During the February 24, 1996, episode, Macdonald made a controversial joke about the sentencing of John Lotter, one of the two men who committed the notorious murder of Brandon Teena:[21][22]
In Falls City, Nebraska, John Lotter has been sentenced to death for attempting to kill three people in what prosecutors called a plot to silence a cross-dressing female who had accused him of rape. Now this might strike some viewers as harsh, but I believe everyone involved in this story should die."
There are sources, but they seem kinda weak. The Menace letter seems like it's on the level of a blog post, basically. I don't think this was a sufficiently large controversy to merit inclusion. If someone has a substantitive disagreement about the size of the controversy or the standards for what should be included in this article, then speak now. If no one replies to this, I'll check back in a month or so and delete the Brandon Teena section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolent Prawn ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
MacDonald was a full time writer and performer on SNL starting in September 1993. Both The Drew Carey Show and NewsRadio started on TV in fall 1995, but the lead says that he guest-starred on those shows before joining SNL. Predestiprestidigitation ( talk) 07:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
This peeve of Norm's might be worth noting, as a the journalism class journalizes about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.59.126.42 ( talk) 23:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
This quote was attributed to Macdonald by someone on the internet. At the moment I don't have a more exact source, but Macdonald supposedly said of his experience with cancer, "If you die, the cancer also dies at exactly the same time. That to me isn't losing a battle, it is a draw." An interesting take. Maybe that quote is usable with sufficient attribution. 2602:24A:DE47:B8E0:1B43:29FD:A863:33CA ( talk) 22:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't we avoid saying he's dead, since it's not true? 146.196.38.76 ( talk) 21:28, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
No mention of Carlton?-- Artaxerxes ( talk) 13:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
1993–1998: Saturday Night Live Section last 2 paragraphs
Apologize if I undid edits you just made. I worked on 2 paragraphs re SNL, added missing references, content and fixed english. It's hard to find Norm quotes from a page that isn't a wiki or blog, most of which copy us. Tillywilly17 ( talk) 00:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
The True Story of Norm Macdonald, Comedy’s Best Liar A writer who got to know Norm remembers a generous, kind human being who also happened to be the funniest person on earth By KALEB HORTON
My edited paragraph
Macdonald repeatedly ridiculed public figures such as Bob Dole, Marion Barry, Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and O. J. Simpson. Throughout Simpson's murder trial, Macdonald constantly pilloried the retired American football star, with the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty', the right of every American under law (in real life). On October 7, 1995, after Simpson had been acquitted on Tuesday, Macdonald opened Saturday Night's 'Weekend Update' by saying, "Well, it's finally official; murder is legal in the state of California."
the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty', the right of every American under law (in real life). ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 18:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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Macdonald repeatedly ridiculed public figures such as Bob Dole, Marion Barry, Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and O. J. Simpson. Throughout Simpson's murder trial, Macdonald constantly pilloried the retired American football star, with the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty' [1], the right of every American under law [2] (in real life). On October 7, 1995, after Simpson had been acquitted on Tuesday, Macdonald opened Saturday Night's 'Weekend Update' by saying, "Well, it's finally official; murder is legal in the state of California." [3] Rolling Stone said, "When, on SNL’s first episode after O.J. Simpson’s acquittal, he pronounced that “murder is legal in the state of California,” you could feel from the look on his face, the sound of the crowd, that he had just delivered the best late-night joke of all time. He knew it, and he wasn’t even smug. He was just pleased about his craftsmanship." [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tillywilly17 ( talk • contribs)
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Norm said his age was 68 during a standup show, "Norm Macdonald does standup about coronavirus," posted on YouTube Mar 13, 2020 at 4:40 into the sketch. [12] Johnnyrev ( talk) 15:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
He goes out of his way to make 69 jokes. It seems. I watched him, and there was a model. He said something about his pulse being 8 less or something. Resting Pulse is 77. 77-8 is 69.
I noticed that a new Toronto Star article specifically gives the place of death as a hospital in Pasadena, California. [13] This is courtesy of the family, and seems quite specific, so it might be true. (And it wouldn't surprise me to see Pasadena referred to in a non-California article as bare LA). Worth keeping in mind... Nohomersryan ( talk) 13:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Macdonald repeatedly ridiculed public figures such as Bob Dole, Marion Barry, Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and O. J. Simpson. Throughout Simpson's murder trial, Macdonald constantly pilloried the retired American football star, with the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty' [1], the right of every American under law [2] (in real life, not in Norm's joke). On October 7, 1995, after Simpson had been acquitted on Tuesday, Macdonald opened Saturday Night's 'Weekend Update' by saying, "Well, it's finally official; murder is legal in the state of California." [3] Rolling Stone said, "When, on SNL’s first episode after O.J. Simpson’s acquittal, he pronounced that “murder is legal in the state of California,” you could feel from the look on his face, the sound of the crowd, that he had just delivered the best late-night joke of all time. He knew it, and he wasn’t even smug. He was just pleased about his craftsmanship." [4]
If anybody has a problem, please let me know
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the right of every American under lawpart is pure WP:SYNTH. There's also no need for a quote of his joke, and a quote from a magazine about it, as that is WP:UNDUE. Lastly, the
(in real life, not in Norm's joke)is just poorly written. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 19:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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This page doesn't mention any awards or honours bestowed on Norm. How could that be possible?? 96.127.198.43 ( talk) 18:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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I'm not exactly sure how to write it, on a locked page (never "suggested" anything for a locked page), so sorry in advance if this isn't correct, but: Rodney Dangerfield should be added to Norm Macdonald's list of "influences". He has specifically listed Rodney Dangerfield, as an early influence in his episode of Jerry Seinfeld's "Comedians in Cars"; as well as, in an interview on Howard Stern. [1] MYgreycloud ( talk) 23:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Sorry I don't where's the best place to ask this, but his recent death nomination for the front page was archived without having been closed. (Actually this seems to happen a lot.) Does that mean that he will never be listed in recent deaths? Because it's becoming less and less "recent". However one of the votes was to "wait", which seems odd. DAVilla ( talk) 10:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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Change "Based on A True Story" under section 6.3 from non-fiction to fiction. He refers to it as a novel in his standup special "Hitler's Dog, Gossip & Trickery" at approximately timestamp 30:17. [1]
DannyFist ( talk) 04:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
A memoir in the sense that it’s roughly organized by the timeline of Mr. Macdonald’s life and career, this book is absurd fiction in many of its details, even the most basic ones. “I was a hick, born to the barren, rocky soil of the Ottawa Valley, where the richest man in town was the barber,” Mr. Macdonald writes. He actually was born and raised in Quebec City. Likewise, he may have had an intense crush on Sarah Silverman during their time on “Saturday Night Live” together, but he most probably didn’t have Colin Quinn help him arrange a hit on the life of Dave Attell, a fellow comedian and rival suitor... The book is also structured around a fictional (or partly real, who’s to say) road trip to Las Vegas undertaken by Mr. Macdonald and a friend.[15] It seems like non-fiction is straining at it's edges to describe this work. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 11:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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The author himself called it a novel. The colophon says not a memoir. The content of the book includes a terminally ill boy being restored to health by clubbing a seal to death, a large section on Rodney Dangerfield's secret being that he gets no respect (a major theme of his stand-up material), and the ghost writer being killed for Norm's gambling debt. It is a farcical fiction making fun of any reader daring to read it as a memoir DannyFist ( talk) 07:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Currently reading this page, Norm's faith in Christianity is placed in the 'Death' section. There are three articles referenced, one of which is a new york times article which reads as worthy for reference, but the other two references are clearly and openly Christian outlets with a Christian agenda, which is fine for a website, but makes them poor references for an encyclopaedia. In any case, I think it would be more appropriate to discuss his faith in the 'Personal life' section, because even if the articles were written after his death, none of the quotations within the cited references pertaining to his faith are recent and he made no statements about his faith in relation to his illness. Putting his faith in the 'Death' section has an implicit religiosity about it and suggests faith is related to death, so to me violates one of wikipedia's 5 pillars - to write from a point of neutrality.
This is just a suggestion I'll leave it up you all
This just seems to be a placement for ulterior motives and having no relation or importance to this article whatsoever. Why would an encyclopedia mention the opining of media personalities? It should be removed unless there is a reason for its inclusion. The mention that it was mentioned is not noteworthy. 2601:182:4381:E60:BC56:B2A9:E3C2:CD67 ( talk) 15:05, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
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There must be a good reason for choosing this particular photograph to represent Norm? If the goal is to use a photo that best portrays what he looked like, I don't think this wide lens photo, taken under such terrible lighting conditions really does him any justice. I'd like to go ahead and change it, but I'd be happy to hear what the reasons for this photograph in particular might be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.132.212.3 ( talk) 10:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Please could we change the first photo on the page. Norm was hilarious and used his disease and treatment for comedic value but his weight gain is directly correlated to a steroid prescription in combination of chemotherapy. I don't believe he was happy with that fact he gained weight, which is why he addressed it so frequently to disvalue it because he didn't want his fans and colleagues to realise he was ill. If there's a second life, or whatever, I think he would like to be remembered in way that showed HIM and not his illness. Please comply for us all. It's been a rough few years, we need some humanity.
I read the cited interview, and it was just him saying that he didn't understand why guys like Steve Martin and Jim Carey took dramatic roles when they wouldn't be as good as actual dramatic actors. That had no relation to his views on "the state of modern comedy" at all. 103.119.209.255 ( talk) 22:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
There are some problems with that section. First, the interview is a primary source, so cherry picking one response isn't great. We need secondary sources to provide context and weight. The second part is sourced entirely to The Daily Beast which has no consensus at RSP. Currently, that section is also very large in proportion to the rest of the article, with long quotes. If no other sources covered this, it's probably not WP:DUE. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 22:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
I have probably an easily reconciled issue with the sentence concerning Christian Faith. The source is an editorial opinion, perhaps makes good arguments but who can decide? The author goes over various articles of Macdonald's comedy material where in his view it means Macdonald was routing for Christianity. I don't think there is enough in the article to qualify this as valid, although, this could be easily resolved if there were other sources that confirmed it. If we were to go by his act, his comic material, we would be lost trying to find personal beliefs. Yes, we can try and draw conclusions and idle speculation to entertain readers, but that isn't fact. I think the sentence should be stricken since mentioning an editorial opinion of someone who is not noteworthy or related (the author never met Macdonald) goes against good source criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AggiesNeverLie ( talk • contribs) 22:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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There are multiple interviews including one with Larry King where he admits to being a Christian, he is more serious in the others though. Not only that, but in the last couple of years there are multiple reports that at the end of his show he would tell everyone, markedly shifting his tone, that "The only way to Heaven is by believing in Jesus Christ". Molly Shannon at the end of his posthumous stand up special "Nothing Special" also talked about how for the past 12-13 years Norm had gotten very much into reading about God and Christianity. I must admit though that not being a wikipedia editor, but just a huge Norm Macdonald fan, I suffer from the laziness of not looking up all the refrences of him and others talking about his faith, but it was something that was very important to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.110.107 ( talk) 11:09, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Norm was also in the Fairy OddParents as a character called Norm The Genie 2600:4040:2373:3C00:ADDE:45D:C806:E5C7 ( talk) 12:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
In this edit YouTube videos are being used as sourcing. The issue I see with this is that as a primary source with no secondary sourcing the is no indication these particular quotes or views are noteworthy. If we go down the road of picking a video Macdonald is in and summarizing it we'll end up with a book of anecdotes, and not an encyclopedia article. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 02:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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why isn't there anything in here about all of the anti-transgendered stuff he said on weekend update?? i think the fact that he has beef with the queer community should DEFINITLEY be on here, since adolf hitler's page is all about him hating/slaughtering jews, you know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.65.25.220 ( talk) 03:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
if this is true, give proof by adding a link to any evidence of such things. thanks Sumguy333 23:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Could someone mention Norm's appearance on the celebrity edition of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? He surpassed all the other contestants and only did not win the full million because a nervous Regis Philbin talked him into walking away before he could guess the correct answer to the final question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.18.35.37 ( talk) 22:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
"footballer-turned-acquitted of all charges" is bad grammar and nonsensical usage to boot, so I've removed it. I understand what the editor was likely trying to do, namely remove perceived bias from the previous statement "footballer-turned-suspected murderer". I'm going to play grammar gestapo here and remove that reference as well, not for bias as he was suspected of murder at the time Norm was released from SNL, but because of the way it was worded. If the author wants to reintroduce this text, please rewrite it into more formal English. Isotope23 16:55, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Anyone know if this guy Neil MacDonald is really Norm's brother? -- Daniel Lotspeich 01:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Added a filmography. Only includes movies at the moment, but maybe someone wants to expand on it to include his numerous television appearences. -- Relax Relapse 23:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and information than would be expected of a Stub, but requires more cleanup, inline citations and referencing. I have assessed this as Mid importance, as I do feel that the subject of this article is well-known outside of Canada. Cheers, CP 17:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The article should include mention of his appearance on Celebrity Who Wants to be a Millionaire. I don't know the date of his appearance. He was the last one to make it to the stage because of his (purposely?) poor performance on the fastest finger questions. However, once on stage he did very well. He should have been the only celebrity to actually win the million dollars for his charity. He verbally stated the correct answer to the million dollar question, but host Regis Philbin talked him out of submitting it as his "final answer." Norm looked visibly upset after it was revealed that his answer was in fact correct.
I remember that. "Okay, fine. Final Answer." "But you would've been right!" DeathWeed 07:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not positive he was in Complaint Box. Imdb lists it as him, but it was only a voice, and he wasn't credited in the episode. Additionally, the role of Jimmy's Lawyer was taken over by Drake Sather (a newsradio producer/writer), who sounded kinda like Norm. Unless someone knows of another source (not drawing from imdb) that says it was Norm, I'd suggest removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bsteger ( talk • contribs) 07:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
this line . . . "(which may be accentual, due to his French-Canadian upbringing)" makes no sense to me. I was born and raised in Québec, but as an English-Quebecer. Norm MacDonald did not have a "French-Canadian upbringing." I'm going to remove that line, unless somebody has proof.-- Rob NS 04:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
i don't think middle schools teach whole courses on genetics per se. it was probably a biology course. Toyokuni3 ( talk) 15:13, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think high schools hire genetics teachers, maybe science teachers. Landroo ( talk) 12:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't remember anyone by the name of Steve in the game. There's no one by the name of Steve in the credits in the manual, and Norm MacDonald is not listed either. If someone could clear this up, I'd appreciate it. IncoherentMoron ( talk) 04:41, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request. Since this nomination might be used as the poster child for application of our primary topic policy, i.e., a 100 to 1 disparity for the proposed primary's use over all other uses combined, which means, if not moved, 99% of those looking for articles with the common title would find themselves somewhere other than the page they sought, the opposition is less than convincing.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Norm Macdonald (comedian) → Norm Macdonald — Norm Macdonald is currently a dab page listing this comedian; Norm Macdonald (politician); and Norm McDonald (Australian footballer). The comedian seems to be by far the primary topic for the name (meaning that users are much more likely to be looking for this man than the other two), and the footballer isn't even named Norm Macdonald. Propaniac ( talk) 13:20, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
It's Macdonald, not MacDonald. Check his web site: http://www.normnews.com As well, CBC.ca says his brother Neil's name is spelled Macdonald. Alaric the Goth 00:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Do we have any further insight into the spelling issue? Right now, the spelling within the article is different from the title of the page. We have to be able to do better than this. If we're not sure which is right, we can at least be consistent. Croctotheface ( talk) 02:37, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
He spells his name "MacDonald", according to his MySpace page. Now, who you gonna' trust — a barely literate C-student journalism major, a fan site run by high school drop-outs, or the man himself? Besides, no self-respecting Scotsman or person of MacDonald descent would spell his family name "Macdonald". — Quicksilver T @ 23:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Norm's Twitter and Facebook pages now reflect spelling with lowercase "d". Also, on Season 7 of "High Stakes Poker" the "d" is lowercase.
It seems his new employer, Comedy Central, and Norm himself have settled this dispute about how Norm spells his own name. The name of his new show on Comedy Central is called "Sports Show with Norm Macdonald" -lowercase 'd'. All the press releases, all the mention of the show on Comedy Central's webpages for the show spell it with lowercase 'd' also. So I am going to go to correct MacDonald on title page to Macdonald. April 30, 2011 RedEyedCajun ( talk) 06:45, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
After reading further down this page, I noticed there was more debate. Also, I found out it is not so easy to change that title (not having done a 'move' before) and I don't want to really mess things up by making a mistake, especially since there is another page titled "Norm Macdonald" that redirects to "Norm MacDonald" and that page would need to be involved in this title change. But it should be clear to everyone now that Norm does spell his name with a lowercase 'd' ...Macdonald. It should be changed now by someone who knows how to do it. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 07:32, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
After carrying out the move I noticed that the article spells the name with a capital D—that is, MacDonald, as opposed to Macdonald, while the move request I carried out was from a lowercase spelling to lowercase spelling. Some above talked about the capitalization issue in relation to other titles, but it seems no one, including me, picked up on that there is a question about this regarding the comedian . Searching Google books for <"norm macdonald" "saturday night live">, while MacDonald is more common, there are many with the lowercase spelling as well. Can we get some clarity on this secondary issue? I don't think we need a formal move request for this.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 01:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
As of April 2011, Norm and Comedy Central have named his new show "Sports Show with Norm Macdonald" -lowercase 'd'. Also, on the show's webpage at Comedy Central, you can click on a link that is a bio page for "Norm Macdonald". I don't see how this debate can go any further. Someone needs to change the title of this article to "Norm Macdonald" ASAP! After all, this is a living person who deserves to have his name spelled the way he obviously wants it spelled.
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Just for laughs and giggles, here's a monkey-wrench in the works: When I did a spell check on MacDonald, it came up as a misspelled word. The suggested spellings in this order were: Macdonald, Mac Donald (with a space between c & D), McDonald, Madonna,... There was no listing for MacDonald. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 08:04, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Difficult discussion to follow. I didn't see any objections to the move. If this was not consensus, please leave a note on my talk page. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Norm MacDonald →
Norm Macdonald – Per the discussion
directly above here, and a previous discussion
higher on this page, how shall we title this article: Macdonald or MacDonald? It would also be good to get some clarity on the name to be used throughout the article (possibly the article itself should mention the naming discrepancy). The fact of the matter is that the D's capitalization varies across many reliable sources without any thus far seen which refer to the naming issue itself, but just present his name either one way of the other. I take it from that long variance over his career that Mr. Macd/Donald himself may not care very much or he could have clarified the issue but it would be good to get it right and to have the article's title and his name's use internally not be at odds.--
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I didn't realize that I was opening up such a can-of-worms. I just assumed Norm spelled his name the way all the Comedy Central press releases and their website for the new Sports Show were spelling it - Macdonald. I guess I really stepped right in it...that wasn't my intention at all. I now believe Norm must have some personal issue with the spelling of his last name. I do agree with Fuhghettabout that this issue needs to be resolved - for consistency and accuracy. To that end, I have emailed Comedy Central questioning their spelling his name with a 'd' (instead of 'D') when it appears Norm spelled it MacDonald in past work credits. So far, no response from them. I will be very surprised if they do respond. I also looked at the Screen Actors Guild website, but they do not have an online list of registered stage names.
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I offer the following evidence supporting change to Macdonald:
I am trying to find reliable personal and work sources as close to Norm as possible. I have dismissed outright the print press because journalists are notorious for spelling names wrong. Above, Fuhghettaboutit cited The New York Times as support for the MacDonald version. However, I found this article in The New York Times where they use the Macdonald version, thus proving my point that the print press is an unreliable source when it comes to spelling names. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 01:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I want to respectfully address several points Fuhghettaboutit cited above as proof supporting the MacDonald version. "It appears Norm co-authored a book ("Screwed") where his name was spelled with the upper case D: 3." First, "Screwed" is a movie starring Norm and possibly co-written by him. Second, the website cited is not the official website for the movie, and the MacDonald version found on it was typed in by a person, who may or may not have "corrected" the spelling in the 'press kit' to the more common and familiar MacDonald; therefore, it is an unreliable source. The official website for "Screwed" has no mention of Norm, at least as far as I can find, so no help there in this matter. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 07:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Further, Fuhghettaboutit mentions an SNL archive website, which may or may not be an official NBC SNL website (probably not). However, on the official SNL website they do use the MacDonald version. But again, this is done by people who are typing in this info many years (or decade) after the shows Norm appeared in were broadcast. Did they also "correct" Macdonald to the more common and familiar MacDonald, as so many so-called journalists and bloggers have apparently done, compounding this name error? I now truly believe so, and I now believe this is how this name debate started and is being kept alive - through compounded Web and print press error, both past and present. I would prefer to see the original SNL video showing the version of Macd/Donald that was used in the original on-screen credits as orignally broadcast. But I suspect, like so many TV and movie credits, they spell the entire name in capital letters, so probably no help there in this matter.
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I finally got a look at Norm's many different Facebook accounts and myspace account. As far as I can tell, except for one version of a Facebook account which appears to be an old Facebook account created by a fan, they appear to be 'real' and all use the MacDonald version. However, Norm admitted on David Letterman's show that he isn't interested in the Internet, computers or computer savvy, so did he hire some outside computer geek to set up and manage these accounts and they "corrected" his name from Macdonald to the more familiar MacDonald? (probably yes) Has Norm ever even bothered to look at these pages? From looking at these pages, I see no evidence to support an assumption that he has looked at them. Most stars (especially those not computer savvy) hire someone to set-up and manage their facebook and myspace accounts because it takes so much time. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 07:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
So, that only leaves Norm's personal Twitter account. I still can't view Norm's personal Twitter account, which I know he personally uses because he recently tweeted Robin Williams Steve Martin while on the Letterman show (a fact well documented on the Web). A post above by 98.82.153.131 says Norm personally tweets using the Macdonald version. Is this true or not? If its true, then I think ALL the reliable evidence I have presented above is overwhelming that Norm spells his name Macdonald. Therefore, if true, I respectfully request again that the title be changed, pages be moved as necessary and all mention on Wiki pages of Norm Macdonald(actor and comedian) be changed to reflect the correct spelling (as far as any reasonable person can humanly determine) of this living person's name. And if we are wrong, then Norm has no one to blame but himself!
RedEyedCajun (
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07:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
In my 05:33,3 May 2011 post, I stated "it appears Norm spelled it MacDonald in past work credits." After many hours wasted on this, I have not been able to confirm that assumption, so I now retract that statement. Addendum: In fact, the only work credits I have been able to find use the Macdonald version. RedEyedCajun ( talk) 07:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
The section:
Since Norm Macdonald became popular on SNL, there has been great confusion in the print press and on the Internet about the proper capitalization of Norm Macdonald's surname. Even so-called reliable sources, like The New York Times, are unreliable when it comes to Macdonald's surname, sometimes using both versions (Macdonald / MacDonald) within the same article. Much of this confusion stems from the fact that most (if not all) movie and TV credits display performer's names entirely in uppercase lettering. This leaves journalists and bloggers with the responsibility to either do the hard research to find the correct surname version or make the easy (but wrong) assumption that Macdonald uses the more common version: MacDonald.
While the Internet helped propagate the incorrect version of Macdonald's surname, in early 2011, the Internet played a major role in helping to correct this festering surname confusion. In April 2011, Macdonald and Comedy Central named his new show Sports Show with Norm Macdonald on their web site and in press releases.[1] Also, the Game Show Network web site, where Macdonald is the new host of High Stakes Poker, has his credit as Macdonald.[2] Macdonald did many interviews to promote these new shows. In these interviews, Macdonald discussed his older brother Neil Macdonald, who is an award-winning CBC News journalist.[3] Also, since 4-3-2011, Norm Macdonald's verified twitter account[4] has been changed to display "Norm Macdonald" on his tweets.[5]
For more in depth information on this surname issue, please see 'Requested move 2' on this article's Discussion page.
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Surely there's no need for an in-depth account regarding the confusion of Norm Macdonald's surname in the article? As far as I'm concerned, the article should be about the person and not his name. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San ( talk) 16:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Norman Gene "Norm" Macdonald, with his surname sometimes presented as MacDonald[1][2][3] (born October 17, 1963), is a Canadian stand-up comedian, writer and actor...
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- I'm pretty sure that Norm isnt bilingual - he grew up in Quebec, and has said several times that he didnt learn French, but instead learned Latin. In addition, lots of English people growing up in Quebec didnt learn French, due to cultural conflict, back in the 50s/60s/70s.
- He said in this interview ( http://www.comedycouch.com/interviews/nmacdonald.htm) that he didn't learn to speak French, and took Latin in high school. I doubt he's fluent in Latin, and therefore not bilingual.
He said on the Tonight show that he isn't Scottish. His family - originally Polish - changed their name.
- That was for the purposes of a joke and goes against what he's said many times, which is that he is Scottish. At least his father is. I have seen people say that his mother is Jewish because her name was Cohen, but it's also an Irish name and he mentioned in passing on a podcast recently (I can't remember what podcast) that she is Irish. Mole Playing Rough ( talk) 07:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
im hesitant to remove it, but i changed the wording. i dont think a link to a radio interview recording is valid. and, of course, he may be joking, as he is a comedian... Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 03:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
He's said similar things in Maxim. "I don't care for sex. I find it an embarrassing, dull exercise. I prefer sports, where you can win." He's never specifically identified as "asexual" as far as I've seen. I believe it when he's said he's been celibate for a decade, but I'm not so quick to take that to mean he considers himself an asexual man.
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Originally, this was ==Politics== and someone deleted the section. I put it back, renamed it, and noted the paradox of his claiming to be apolitical, and still making political jokes. That Clinton joke got Norm a lot of free publicity. I added (see Vince Foster) to put the Clinton joke in context. -- Lexein 07:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1417874830.htm and Google Newsgroup archive - both refer to Norm on the 11/16/2000 "The View" joking "Clinton... he killed a guy..." . Still seeking video or official transcript of that appearance. At least the date is right. Notable because Norm joked about Clinton in this manner for many years, including SNL's Weekend Update(1996). This doesn't go in the main article yet. -- Lexein 06:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
FFS it was just a joke! He was just being ridic. He wanted to be annoying. He's a comedy genius and wants nothing more than to be funny. I heard him telling this story on a radio program ten years later and it was just really funny. He couldn't care less about politics. Obv Clinton didn't murder a guy. That's the joke. 91.155.237.252 ( talk) 05:27, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Edit: And oh now I see the main article. Like srsly Norm is just telling the truth. He has nothing against Clinton. Just everything against being unfunny. 91.155.237.252 ( talk) 05:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Nationality was listed as French Canadian. Two things wrong with this. One, that's not a nationality (Quebec is not a separate country yet), and two, just because he's from Quebec does not mean he's French-Canadian. I've changed to just Canadian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.149.244 ( talk) 01:46, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Norm has said that he reads a lot of books by Russian authors, particularly Tolstoy. He says that they are his comedic influences. http://wsf1027fm.blogspot.fi/2012/07/podcast-episode-287ish-norm-macdonald.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.81.204 ( talk) 16:14, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Plus Tolstoy was big on the chat show circuit in 19th century Russia :) 83.217.122.76 ( talk) 16:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
http://www.bdcwire.com/heres-the-really-weird-story-norm-macdonald-told-about-bob-dylan-last-night/
Norm Macdonald on Bob Dylan if it is of any use here? EDLIS Café 20:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EdRicardo ( talk • contribs)
So all his bios say he was born in 1963, but a couple weeks ago Geoff Edgers at The Washington Post did a story about Norm where he claimed he was born in 1959. The story can be read here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/entertainment/norm-macdonald/
The relevant line is this: "He tells everyone he was born in 1963, but he was really born in 1959."
This has now seemingly been confirmed by Norm's brother Neil Macdonald, who works for CBC News. Neil put out an article today about Norm's new book: http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/arts/norm-macdonald-book-1.3740268
It includes a photo of the two of them as children, accompanied by this caption: "Norm Macdonald's first day of school in Valcartier, Que., circa 1964. Norm was five in this photo, and his brother Neil, on the right, was seven."
Later he writes: "I've known Norm for nearly 57 years, and still can't say I know what he really thinks."
Regardless of what the bios say, I think it's pretty clear the guy was born in '59. Certainly his brother has no reason to lie. As far as the day and the month, Edgers refers to Norm as 56 rather than 57, which would mean his birthday hasn't yet come around this year. Similarly, Neil says he's known Norm for NEARLY 57 years. This would lead me to believe the October 17 date might very well be correct, we've just got the wrong year. However, that's just speculation.
With all this said, I recommend changing Norm's birth date to 1959, with no day or month until those are confirmed.
Agreed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.253.251 ( talk) 15:49, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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This article is due for an overhaul. It's full of fan-centric trivia and minutiae, draws too heavily from primary sources (e.g. SNL episodes, passing quotes and interviews) which neglects due weight and makes this read more like one person's analysis of Macdonald ("As of May 2017, Macdonald has continued to evolve in his standup" reads like pure editor opinion, and actually says nothing). The Career section needs better structure than mere chronology. I'll e working to improve structure and coverage in the coming weeks. --Animalparty! ( talk) 21:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Norm does not have a sister named Leslie. He has a brother whose name is Leslie. For some strange reason, I correct this and it shows up again. 71.247.229.53 02:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.247.229.53 ( talk) 02:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
Norm is a former student of Algonquin College in Ottawa where he studied Television Broadcasting.
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Ok, How is this? Norm has a sibling named Leslie? That way you keep them guessing and whining for more. FoxFactChechChick ( talk) 10:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
the political views section is little more than an assortment of two or three political jokes and a quote concerning his stance on comedie about politicians. so why does it exist? to me it just looks like overzealous trivia noting, and i think it should be removed. ad the one or two facts in somewhere in the article.
whole heartedly: somebody who gets mad at bloted wikepedia articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E2:373C:1A3B:EC08:CB9D:6261:6B38 ( talk) 17:12, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Right now it is just SNL and post-SNL, and the post-SNL section is a just series of short career updates, patchwork project by project. In a way it's fair, as his career has been somewhat inconsistent since SNL, and his profile perhaps hasn't been as high as it was during Weekend Update. Still I think it could be improved and I'd suggest strusturing it with headings on his standup and standup specials, his TV and Netflix shows, his podcast, and maybe his chat show appearances. Would make everything a bit clearer if nothing else. -- Otsima ( talk) 14:50, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
His myspace page says he's 68. I saw his show in Toronto tonight and he said he was 68 as well.
http://www.myspace.com/normmacdonald
On 3/14/20 while onstage, Norm states "I am 68 years young". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-skA4GhVX7k&feature=emb_logo (Chamblis edit)-- Chamblis ( talk) 15:56, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Which means either he's lying or he couldn't have attended grade school in the 70's or be 43 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.228.44 ( talk) 03:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
"MACDONALD - On Saturday, October 17, 1959, to Mr. and Mrs. Percy Macdonald (nee Ferne Mains) Valcartier, Quebec, a son. A brother for Neil." - Ottawa Citizen, October 23, 1959, page 44. 24.68.80.249 ( talk) 03:23, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
" During the February 24, 1996, episode, Macdonald made a controversial joke about the sentencing of John Lotter, one of the two men who committed the notorious murder of Brandon Teena:[21][22]
In Falls City, Nebraska, John Lotter has been sentenced to death for attempting to kill three people in what prosecutors called a plot to silence a cross-dressing female who had accused him of rape. Now this might strike some viewers as harsh, but I believe everyone involved in this story should die."
There are sources, but they seem kinda weak. The Menace letter seems like it's on the level of a blog post, basically. I don't think this was a sufficiently large controversy to merit inclusion. If someone has a substantitive disagreement about the size of the controversy or the standards for what should be included in this article, then speak now. If no one replies to this, I'll check back in a month or so and delete the Brandon Teena section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolent Prawn ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
MacDonald was a full time writer and performer on SNL starting in September 1993. Both The Drew Carey Show and NewsRadio started on TV in fall 1995, but the lead says that he guest-starred on those shows before joining SNL. Predestiprestidigitation ( talk) 07:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
This peeve of Norm's might be worth noting, as a the journalism class journalizes about this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.59.126.42 ( talk) 23:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
This quote was attributed to Macdonald by someone on the internet. At the moment I don't have a more exact source, but Macdonald supposedly said of his experience with cancer, "If you die, the cancer also dies at exactly the same time. That to me isn't losing a battle, it is a draw." An interesting take. Maybe that quote is usable with sufficient attribution. 2602:24A:DE47:B8E0:1B43:29FD:A863:33CA ( talk) 22:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Shouldn't we avoid saying he's dead, since it's not true? 146.196.38.76 ( talk) 21:28, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
No mention of Carlton?-- Artaxerxes ( talk) 13:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
1993–1998: Saturday Night Live Section last 2 paragraphs
Apologize if I undid edits you just made. I worked on 2 paragraphs re SNL, added missing references, content and fixed english. It's hard to find Norm quotes from a page that isn't a wiki or blog, most of which copy us. Tillywilly17 ( talk) 00:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
The True Story of Norm Macdonald, Comedy’s Best Liar A writer who got to know Norm remembers a generous, kind human being who also happened to be the funniest person on earth By KALEB HORTON
My edited paragraph
Macdonald repeatedly ridiculed public figures such as Bob Dole, Marion Barry, Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and O. J. Simpson. Throughout Simpson's murder trial, Macdonald constantly pilloried the retired American football star, with the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty', the right of every American under law (in real life). On October 7, 1995, after Simpson had been acquitted on Tuesday, Macdonald opened Saturday Night's 'Weekend Update' by saying, "Well, it's finally official; murder is legal in the state of California."
the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty', the right of every American under law (in real life). ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 18:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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Macdonald repeatedly ridiculed public figures such as Bob Dole, Marion Barry, Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and O. J. Simpson. Throughout Simpson's murder trial, Macdonald constantly pilloried the retired American football star, with the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty' [1], the right of every American under law [2] (in real life). On October 7, 1995, after Simpson had been acquitted on Tuesday, Macdonald opened Saturday Night's 'Weekend Update' by saying, "Well, it's finally official; murder is legal in the state of California." [3] Rolling Stone said, "When, on SNL’s first episode after O.J. Simpson’s acquittal, he pronounced that “murder is legal in the state of California,” you could feel from the look on his face, the sound of the crowd, that he had just delivered the best late-night joke of all time. He knew it, and he wasn’t even smug. He was just pleased about his craftsmanship." [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tillywilly17 ( talk • contribs)
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Norm said his age was 68 during a standup show, "Norm Macdonald does standup about coronavirus," posted on YouTube Mar 13, 2020 at 4:40 into the sketch. [12] Johnnyrev ( talk) 15:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
He goes out of his way to make 69 jokes. It seems. I watched him, and there was a model. He said something about his pulse being 8 less or something. Resting Pulse is 77. 77-8 is 69.
I noticed that a new Toronto Star article specifically gives the place of death as a hospital in Pasadena, California. [13] This is courtesy of the family, and seems quite specific, so it might be true. (And it wouldn't surprise me to see Pasadena referred to in a non-California article as bare LA). Worth keeping in mind... Nohomersryan ( talk) 13:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Macdonald repeatedly ridiculed public figures such as Bob Dole, Marion Barry, Bill Clinton, Michael Jackson, and O. J. Simpson. Throughout Simpson's murder trial, Macdonald constantly pilloried the retired American football star, with the premise Simpson was guilty of the brutal slaying of his ex-wife and her friend, not 'innocent until proven guilty' [1], the right of every American under law [2] (in real life, not in Norm's joke). On October 7, 1995, after Simpson had been acquitted on Tuesday, Macdonald opened Saturday Night's 'Weekend Update' by saying, "Well, it's finally official; murder is legal in the state of California." [3] Rolling Stone said, "When, on SNL’s first episode after O.J. Simpson’s acquittal, he pronounced that “murder is legal in the state of California,” you could feel from the look on his face, the sound of the crowd, that he had just delivered the best late-night joke of all time. He knew it, and he wasn’t even smug. He was just pleased about his craftsmanship." [4]
If anybody has a problem, please let me know
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the right of every American under lawpart is pure WP:SYNTH. There's also no need for a quote of his joke, and a quote from a magazine about it, as that is WP:UNDUE. Lastly, the
(in real life, not in Norm's joke)is just poorly written. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 19:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
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This page doesn't mention any awards or honours bestowed on Norm. How could that be possible?? 96.127.198.43 ( talk) 18:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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I'm not exactly sure how to write it, on a locked page (never "suggested" anything for a locked page), so sorry in advance if this isn't correct, but: Rodney Dangerfield should be added to Norm Macdonald's list of "influences". He has specifically listed Rodney Dangerfield, as an early influence in his episode of Jerry Seinfeld's "Comedians in Cars"; as well as, in an interview on Howard Stern. [1] MYgreycloud ( talk) 23:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Sorry I don't where's the best place to ask this, but his recent death nomination for the front page was archived without having been closed. (Actually this seems to happen a lot.) Does that mean that he will never be listed in recent deaths? Because it's becoming less and less "recent". However one of the votes was to "wait", which seems odd. DAVilla ( talk) 10:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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Change "Based on A True Story" under section 6.3 from non-fiction to fiction. He refers to it as a novel in his standup special "Hitler's Dog, Gossip & Trickery" at approximately timestamp 30:17. [1]
DannyFist ( talk) 04:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
A memoir in the sense that it’s roughly organized by the timeline of Mr. Macdonald’s life and career, this book is absurd fiction in many of its details, even the most basic ones. “I was a hick, born to the barren, rocky soil of the Ottawa Valley, where the richest man in town was the barber,” Mr. Macdonald writes. He actually was born and raised in Quebec City. Likewise, he may have had an intense crush on Sarah Silverman during their time on “Saturday Night Live” together, but he most probably didn’t have Colin Quinn help him arrange a hit on the life of Dave Attell, a fellow comedian and rival suitor... The book is also structured around a fictional (or partly real, who’s to say) road trip to Las Vegas undertaken by Mr. Macdonald and a friend.[15] It seems like non-fiction is straining at it's edges to describe this work. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 11:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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The author himself called it a novel. The colophon says not a memoir. The content of the book includes a terminally ill boy being restored to health by clubbing a seal to death, a large section on Rodney Dangerfield's secret being that he gets no respect (a major theme of his stand-up material), and the ghost writer being killed for Norm's gambling debt. It is a farcical fiction making fun of any reader daring to read it as a memoir DannyFist ( talk) 07:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
Currently reading this page, Norm's faith in Christianity is placed in the 'Death' section. There are three articles referenced, one of which is a new york times article which reads as worthy for reference, but the other two references are clearly and openly Christian outlets with a Christian agenda, which is fine for a website, but makes them poor references for an encyclopaedia. In any case, I think it would be more appropriate to discuss his faith in the 'Personal life' section, because even if the articles were written after his death, none of the quotations within the cited references pertaining to his faith are recent and he made no statements about his faith in relation to his illness. Putting his faith in the 'Death' section has an implicit religiosity about it and suggests faith is related to death, so to me violates one of wikipedia's 5 pillars - to write from a point of neutrality.
This is just a suggestion I'll leave it up you all
This just seems to be a placement for ulterior motives and having no relation or importance to this article whatsoever. Why would an encyclopedia mention the opining of media personalities? It should be removed unless there is a reason for its inclusion. The mention that it was mentioned is not noteworthy. 2601:182:4381:E60:BC56:B2A9:E3C2:CD67 ( talk) 15:05, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
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There must be a good reason for choosing this particular photograph to represent Norm? If the goal is to use a photo that best portrays what he looked like, I don't think this wide lens photo, taken under such terrible lighting conditions really does him any justice. I'd like to go ahead and change it, but I'd be happy to hear what the reasons for this photograph in particular might be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.132.212.3 ( talk) 10:53, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Please could we change the first photo on the page. Norm was hilarious and used his disease and treatment for comedic value but his weight gain is directly correlated to a steroid prescription in combination of chemotherapy. I don't believe he was happy with that fact he gained weight, which is why he addressed it so frequently to disvalue it because he didn't want his fans and colleagues to realise he was ill. If there's a second life, or whatever, I think he would like to be remembered in way that showed HIM and not his illness. Please comply for us all. It's been a rough few years, we need some humanity.
I read the cited interview, and it was just him saying that he didn't understand why guys like Steve Martin and Jim Carey took dramatic roles when they wouldn't be as good as actual dramatic actors. That had no relation to his views on "the state of modern comedy" at all. 103.119.209.255 ( talk) 22:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
There are some problems with that section. First, the interview is a primary source, so cherry picking one response isn't great. We need secondary sources to provide context and weight. The second part is sourced entirely to The Daily Beast which has no consensus at RSP. Currently, that section is also very large in proportion to the rest of the article, with long quotes. If no other sources covered this, it's probably not WP:DUE. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 22:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
I have probably an easily reconciled issue with the sentence concerning Christian Faith. The source is an editorial opinion, perhaps makes good arguments but who can decide? The author goes over various articles of Macdonald's comedy material where in his view it means Macdonald was routing for Christianity. I don't think there is enough in the article to qualify this as valid, although, this could be easily resolved if there were other sources that confirmed it. If we were to go by his act, his comic material, we would be lost trying to find personal beliefs. Yes, we can try and draw conclusions and idle speculation to entertain readers, but that isn't fact. I think the sentence should be stricken since mentioning an editorial opinion of someone who is not noteworthy or related (the author never met Macdonald) goes against good source criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AggiesNeverLie ( talk • contribs) 22:12, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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There are multiple interviews including one with Larry King where he admits to being a Christian, he is more serious in the others though. Not only that, but in the last couple of years there are multiple reports that at the end of his show he would tell everyone, markedly shifting his tone, that "The only way to Heaven is by believing in Jesus Christ". Molly Shannon at the end of his posthumous stand up special "Nothing Special" also talked about how for the past 12-13 years Norm had gotten very much into reading about God and Christianity. I must admit though that not being a wikipedia editor, but just a huge Norm Macdonald fan, I suffer from the laziness of not looking up all the refrences of him and others talking about his faith, but it was something that was very important to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.233.110.107 ( talk) 11:09, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Norm was also in the Fairy OddParents as a character called Norm The Genie 2600:4040:2373:3C00:ADDE:45D:C806:E5C7 ( talk) 12:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
In this edit YouTube videos are being used as sourcing. The issue I see with this is that as a primary source with no secondary sourcing the is no indication these particular quotes or views are noteworthy. If we go down the road of picking a video Macdonald is in and summarizing it we'll end up with a book of anecdotes, and not an encyclopedia article. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 02:18, 14 August 2022 (UTC)