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"The word noodle derives from German "Nudel", meaning pasta." That`s incorrect, it derives from the Latin word Nodus!
My ex-wife used to claim vehemently that "noodles" were a food distinct from "spaghetti", and got all jumping up and down whenever anyone spoke of "spaghetti noodles". I have no way of knowing the basis for her assertion, but thought that Wikipedia might shed some light. The existing article appears to contradict, but I wonder whether anyone else has information to confirm or deny my ex's passionately held belief. Dbhelphrey 21:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
This article evokes the impression that noodles are an exclusively Asian type of food. The list of types states only Asian ones. This is highly inaccurate. Noodles exist in many different countries. Especially Italian noodles ("pasta") are known throughout the world.
Reading this article, one might think that 'noodle' is an Asian dish, and 'pasta' an Italian one. Of course, this is not so. "Pasta" is merely the Italian word for "noodle". The abundance of Italian noodles (350 varieties) justify a separate Pasta article. But this should not lead to the Noodle article dealing with Asian noodles only.
I have removed the statement that pasta is an Italian type of noodle dish for of the aforementioned reasons, and instead added pasta to the list of Wheat types of noodles. I have also added the German "spätzle" to that list. The whole article ought to be rewritten, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.177.155.119 ( talk) 18:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there a difference between noodles and pasta? Or is it just that people use different words for the same thing? Personally, I think that noodles are thinner and more curvy than pasta, and spaghetti is pasta simply because the Italians made it. 90.230.80.104 ( talk) 20:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the word "noodle", at least in American English, is more commonly used to refer to something that has a long stringy shape that can wind around a fork. Couscous, for example, is pasta, but I NEVER hear it called "noodles". 12.31.187.178 ( talk) 22:00, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The article says "In American English, noodles is a generic term for unleavened dough made from many types of ingredients." So what are noodles in other varieties of English? Wakablogger2 ( talk) 22:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
There's a great state of confusion here. Let's make it clear that Noodle has nothing to do with Pasta. Pasta is Pasta and Noodle is an English word used by Anglo-saxon speakers to name the chinese pasta. You can't call pasta as noodle because they are two completely different things. Pasta is every product made from Flour that is cooked in the italian style period. Noodle is every other product that is not made on the italian style way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.35.59.181 ( talk) 12:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Crystal from ocean is the biggest noodle of them all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth ( talk • contribs) 06:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Given the confusion and differing opinions (see https://www.chowhound.com/post/noodles-pasta-793188 and discussion above), it is unfortunate that our article. starts using the word "pasta" without preamble or clarification. Yes, there is a note of Italy/Italian, but this is not clear as to what that means. The section needs to be cleaned up for the possibly multitudes of readers coming to the article trying to understand what is pasta, what is noodle and how if ever the twain doth meet. Kdammers ( talk) 03:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
You cant say, that Italian people claim to have invented noodles! They only claim, that they have taken over this tradition from Etruscans and Greeks. Its also wrong to say, the Chinese can claim for this invention, because at that time there was no such thing as "China" in any form. The people of the Quijia-Culture are also believed to be under the first groups in this region to have produced bronce, wich came relatively late to Asia from the West. So maybe the art of making noodles came alongside with the art of making bronce, or maybe it didnt. Nationalism and cuisine sucks anyway. -- 62.178.137.216 21:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
It was invented by crystal from ocean because she is the original noodle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth ( talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
References
I don't think this quote is correct: "The 4,000-year-old noodles appear to have been made from noodles and broomcorn millet." Shouldn't it read, "The 4,000-year-old noodles appear to have been made from broomcorn millet."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.210.43 ( talk) 05:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Crystal is the oldest noodle of them all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
I went along with this subheading. There was not a basic or simple noodle. There are so many ways to make them. I would like to see less pasta examples and more diverse cultural examples of the used of unleavened dough that are called noodles in english. Thinking about linking and the category(s) or template around noodle. Another day. -- Rcollman 13:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
--I don't see how having only one type of Italian noodle listed qualifies as "diverse." You have a dozen Asian noodles and one western noodle. That seems like bringing diversity so far to the other side that it becomes anti-diversity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.207.237 ( talk) 17:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Is the "acorn noodle" really made with marmalade?? Mbuyum ( talk) 22:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
This page is constantly being vandalised = are there any steps we can take on Wikipedia to protect it? Kunchan ( talk) 17:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I was hoping to find information on how to make noodles. Evidently there is a pulling method, hinted at in the description of lamian. Is that the same as stretching? Other aspects of production perhaps include mixing, kneading and hanging, though I'm just guessing. Wakablogger2 ( talk) 22:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Why do noodles retain form while soup turns bread and crackers to mush?
If you have the time.
Thanks for the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.210.155.182 ( talk) 00:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
"Egg noodles" redirects to this article, and there is even a picture of egg noodles shown, but no mention of them in the article text. I was searching for egg noodles, wondering what they were actually made of and why there were commonly called "egg noodles", and found no answers on wikipedia. siafu ( talk) 19:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Merge request here. Templates {{ Pasta}} and {{ Chinese noodles}} have been proposed to be merged into {{ Noodle}}. -- Cold Season ( talk) 05:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Balashon - Hebrew Language Detective: itriya. It's sort of like a pasta, but here's the etymology. Komitsuki ( talk) 06:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
There's something wrong here. The first two words of this article are "Noodle are". The plural of noodle is noodles. It should be either "Noodle is" or "Noodles are". 86.138.212.131 ( talk) 11:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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Boneyard90 (
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13:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- according to a very reliable dictionary. 85.193.217.151 ( talk) 00:42, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The paragraph in question: "In 2005, a team of archaeologists working in the People's Republic of China reported finding an earthenware bowl that contained foxtail millet and broomcorn millet.[4] noodles at the Lajia archaeological site, arguably hailing from the late neolithic period. But this claim was disputed by later research,[5] which suggested that noodles simply cannot be produced from millet, a cereal that lacks gluten, a necessary protein"
As the paragraph stands this is simply false as one of the most common types of noodles, rice noodles are of course made entirely of rice which lacks gluten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.223.237 ( talk) 05:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
A noodle is just an extruded shape of unleavened dough made from a grain. The grain can be anything, rice, wheat etc.
So therefore, based on wikipedia's own definition, pasta is just a type of noodle that's archetypally made from durum wheat.
That's not necessarily how it's normally referred to, for example in North America a 'noodle' has to be short, but Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, and functionally speaking, they are cooked and treated the same as as any of the other types of noodles mentioned. GliderMaven ( talk) 05:23, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Roxy the dog: Can you explain your reasoning in removing the egg noodles subsection from this article ( diff)? None of the other 29 noodles listed in the section have sources. Why are egg noodles special? Dan Bloch ( talk) 21:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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== Pasta ==
About Italy and chronologically speaking, I let you know that: 1) Tools to make pasta can be seen in the Etruscan tomb of Cerveteri (IV century BCE) and pillars of Grotta Bella (III c. BCE). 2) Pasta is an Italian term that comes from ancient Latin 'pasta, pastae', meaning kneaded flour, that's a food consisting of water and flour and used to thicken soups. 3) Roman Quintus Horatius Flaccus claimed that pasta was a daily meal (I century BCE). 4) Between Ist century BCE and Ist century AD, Roman Marcus Gavius Apicius wrote some recipes about pasta (eg. Patina Quotidiana), but his writings were popularized only much later, during the IV-V century AD.
sources: (1) S.Grasso, Gli Etruschi: tra cultura e cucina, Archeo Flavors Ligh House, 2014 (2) L. Castiglioni, S. Mariotti, Vocabolario della lingua latina, Loescher, Editore Torino, 1966-1986. (3) S.Serventi, F.Sabban, La pasta, Edizioni Laterza, 2004. (4) F.M. Amato, La cucina di Roma antica, Newton Compton Editori, 2007. Jack2008 ( talk) 14:55, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
The article is completely missing any reference to noodles being consumed in America. I understand that the article only included historical development, and there probably has been little historical development of noodles in America. However, one of the most populous countries in the world, consumes noodles in vast quantities, and that deserves mention. As does Canada, (and I don't know where else). I suspect Australia does as well. I also suspect that although the forms of German, Italian, or Chinese noodles have generally been superficially maintained in America, I'm sure the manufacturing processes of noodles on a commercial basis altered the American noodle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.17.29.40 ( talk) 23:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
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"The word noodle derives from German "Nudel", meaning pasta." That`s incorrect, it derives from the Latin word Nodus!
My ex-wife used to claim vehemently that "noodles" were a food distinct from "spaghetti", and got all jumping up and down whenever anyone spoke of "spaghetti noodles". I have no way of knowing the basis for her assertion, but thought that Wikipedia might shed some light. The existing article appears to contradict, but I wonder whether anyone else has information to confirm or deny my ex's passionately held belief. Dbhelphrey 21:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
This article evokes the impression that noodles are an exclusively Asian type of food. The list of types states only Asian ones. This is highly inaccurate. Noodles exist in many different countries. Especially Italian noodles ("pasta") are known throughout the world.
Reading this article, one might think that 'noodle' is an Asian dish, and 'pasta' an Italian one. Of course, this is not so. "Pasta" is merely the Italian word for "noodle". The abundance of Italian noodles (350 varieties) justify a separate Pasta article. But this should not lead to the Noodle article dealing with Asian noodles only.
I have removed the statement that pasta is an Italian type of noodle dish for of the aforementioned reasons, and instead added pasta to the list of Wheat types of noodles. I have also added the German "spätzle" to that list. The whole article ought to be rewritten, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.177.155.119 ( talk) 18:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there a difference between noodles and pasta? Or is it just that people use different words for the same thing? Personally, I think that noodles are thinner and more curvy than pasta, and spaghetti is pasta simply because the Italians made it. 90.230.80.104 ( talk) 20:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the word "noodle", at least in American English, is more commonly used to refer to something that has a long stringy shape that can wind around a fork. Couscous, for example, is pasta, but I NEVER hear it called "noodles". 12.31.187.178 ( talk) 22:00, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The article says "In American English, noodles is a generic term for unleavened dough made from many types of ingredients." So what are noodles in other varieties of English? Wakablogger2 ( talk) 22:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
There's a great state of confusion here. Let's make it clear that Noodle has nothing to do with Pasta. Pasta is Pasta and Noodle is an English word used by Anglo-saxon speakers to name the chinese pasta. You can't call pasta as noodle because they are two completely different things. Pasta is every product made from Flour that is cooked in the italian style period. Noodle is every other product that is not made on the italian style way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.35.59.181 ( talk) 12:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Crystal from ocean is the biggest noodle of them all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth ( talk • contribs) 06:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Given the confusion and differing opinions (see https://www.chowhound.com/post/noodles-pasta-793188 and discussion above), it is unfortunate that our article. starts using the word "pasta" without preamble or clarification. Yes, there is a note of Italy/Italian, but this is not clear as to what that means. The section needs to be cleaned up for the possibly multitudes of readers coming to the article trying to understand what is pasta, what is noodle and how if ever the twain doth meet. Kdammers ( talk) 03:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
You cant say, that Italian people claim to have invented noodles! They only claim, that they have taken over this tradition from Etruscans and Greeks. Its also wrong to say, the Chinese can claim for this invention, because at that time there was no such thing as "China" in any form. The people of the Quijia-Culture are also believed to be under the first groups in this region to have produced bronce, wich came relatively late to Asia from the West. So maybe the art of making noodles came alongside with the art of making bronce, or maybe it didnt. Nationalism and cuisine sucks anyway. -- 62.178.137.216 21:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
It was invented by crystal from ocean because she is the original noodle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth ( talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
References
I don't think this quote is correct: "The 4,000-year-old noodles appear to have been made from noodles and broomcorn millet." Shouldn't it read, "The 4,000-year-old noodles appear to have been made from broomcorn millet."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.210.43 ( talk) 05:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Crystal is the oldest noodle of them all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth ( talk • contribs) 07:43, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
I went along with this subheading. There was not a basic or simple noodle. There are so many ways to make them. I would like to see less pasta examples and more diverse cultural examples of the used of unleavened dough that are called noodles in english. Thinking about linking and the category(s) or template around noodle. Another day. -- Rcollman 13:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
--I don't see how having only one type of Italian noodle listed qualifies as "diverse." You have a dozen Asian noodles and one western noodle. That seems like bringing diversity so far to the other side that it becomes anti-diversity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.207.237 ( talk) 17:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Is the "acorn noodle" really made with marmalade?? Mbuyum ( talk) 22:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
This page is constantly being vandalised = are there any steps we can take on Wikipedia to protect it? Kunchan ( talk) 17:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I was hoping to find information on how to make noodles. Evidently there is a pulling method, hinted at in the description of lamian. Is that the same as stretching? Other aspects of production perhaps include mixing, kneading and hanging, though I'm just guessing. Wakablogger2 ( talk) 22:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Why do noodles retain form while soup turns bread and crackers to mush?
If you have the time.
Thanks for the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.210.155.182 ( talk) 00:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
"Egg noodles" redirects to this article, and there is even a picture of egg noodles shown, but no mention of them in the article text. I was searching for egg noodles, wondering what they were actually made of and why there were commonly called "egg noodles", and found no answers on wikipedia. siafu ( talk) 19:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Merge request here. Templates {{ Pasta}} and {{ Chinese noodles}} have been proposed to be merged into {{ Noodle}}. -- Cold Season ( talk) 05:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Balashon - Hebrew Language Detective: itriya. It's sort of like a pasta, but here's the etymology. Komitsuki ( talk) 06:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
There's something wrong here. The first two words of this article are "Noodle are". The plural of noodle is noodles. It should be either "Noodle is" or "Noodles are". 86.138.212.131 ( talk) 11:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Done -
Boneyard90 (
talk)
13:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- according to a very reliable dictionary. 85.193.217.151 ( talk) 00:42, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The paragraph in question: "In 2005, a team of archaeologists working in the People's Republic of China reported finding an earthenware bowl that contained foxtail millet and broomcorn millet.[4] noodles at the Lajia archaeological site, arguably hailing from the late neolithic period. But this claim was disputed by later research,[5] which suggested that noodles simply cannot be produced from millet, a cereal that lacks gluten, a necessary protein"
As the paragraph stands this is simply false as one of the most common types of noodles, rice noodles are of course made entirely of rice which lacks gluten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.223.237 ( talk) 05:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
A noodle is just an extruded shape of unleavened dough made from a grain. The grain can be anything, rice, wheat etc.
So therefore, based on wikipedia's own definition, pasta is just a type of noodle that's archetypally made from durum wheat.
That's not necessarily how it's normally referred to, for example in North America a 'noodle' has to be short, but Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, and functionally speaking, they are cooked and treated the same as as any of the other types of noodles mentioned. GliderMaven ( talk) 05:23, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Roxy the dog: Can you explain your reasoning in removing the egg noodles subsection from this article ( diff)? None of the other 29 noodles listed in the section have sources. Why are egg noodles special? Dan Bloch ( talk) 21:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
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When you can, add them please.
== Pasta ==
About Italy and chronologically speaking, I let you know that: 1) Tools to make pasta can be seen in the Etruscan tomb of Cerveteri (IV century BCE) and pillars of Grotta Bella (III c. BCE). 2) Pasta is an Italian term that comes from ancient Latin 'pasta, pastae', meaning kneaded flour, that's a food consisting of water and flour and used to thicken soups. 3) Roman Quintus Horatius Flaccus claimed that pasta was a daily meal (I century BCE). 4) Between Ist century BCE and Ist century AD, Roman Marcus Gavius Apicius wrote some recipes about pasta (eg. Patina Quotidiana), but his writings were popularized only much later, during the IV-V century AD.
sources: (1) S.Grasso, Gli Etruschi: tra cultura e cucina, Archeo Flavors Ligh House, 2014 (2) L. Castiglioni, S. Mariotti, Vocabolario della lingua latina, Loescher, Editore Torino, 1966-1986. (3) S.Serventi, F.Sabban, La pasta, Edizioni Laterza, 2004. (4) F.M. Amato, La cucina di Roma antica, Newton Compton Editori, 2007. Jack2008 ( talk) 14:55, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
The article is completely missing any reference to noodles being consumed in America. I understand that the article only included historical development, and there probably has been little historical development of noodles in America. However, one of the most populous countries in the world, consumes noodles in vast quantities, and that deserves mention. As does Canada, (and I don't know where else). I suspect Australia does as well. I also suspect that although the forms of German, Italian, or Chinese noodles have generally been superficially maintained in America, I'm sure the manufacturing processes of noodles on a commercial basis altered the American noodle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.17.29.40 ( talk) 23:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
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