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Is it worth detailing the level's appearance in Modern Warfare 3? The confrontation between Yuri and Makarov and the "attempt" to stop the attack could be detailed at the bottom of the plot section, but again, I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning it on here. Aria1561 ( talk) 18:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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, for readabilitythese ideas sound good and yeah would want a lot more than speculation for the connection to the 2011 incidentRight now I still have to add more information about the initial reception from both gaming journalists and major new publications, the British parliament debating the content of the level, more analysis from research papers about the impact of No Russian, and the possible connection to the 2011 Norway Attacks.
This was a quick pass so please excuse any curtness. Also the questions are mostly rhetorical, so no need to respond inline. On the whole, this is in decent shape with no glaring blind spots. Hope the expansion goes well! (not
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This is a GA, so any content added needs to be up to that standard, including both grammar and adherence to WP:V. The source being used is simply speculating that his twitter post of a screen shot of No Russia led to his arrest. This is clear in the language they use such as it just might have been what set off alarm bells. No where does the source state specifically that the screen shot was the trigger and there appears to be no official statement towards that at this time. Considering how long ago this was, it's unlikely new information will become available.
Possible alternative text:
Kevin Omar Mohammed was arrested on weapons charges in March 2016, shortly after he posted a screen shot of "No Russian" on social media, asking for a modded version featuring Brussels Airport.
This cuts it down to straight relevant facts. -- ferret ( talk) 14:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I added a brief paragraph about how the arrest of a Canadian who tried to travel to ISIS territory was triggered by his request for the "no russian" MOD.
Another contributor reverted my addition with an edit summary asserting the source didn't explicitly name the "no russian" MOD. No, why would an article for general readers name an obscure name?
However, the article did republish a screenshot from "no russian", specifically from about 2 seconds after the player and his cronies open fire on innocent civilians. Compare the screenshot used in this article with the screenshot CBC News published, from a few seconds later from this YouTube video.
So, I restored the perfectly reasonable short paragraph I had added, and started to leave this explanation.
I was unpleasantly surprised to see, Ferret reverted me two minutes later, with the edit summary "Undid revision 903241421 by Geo Swan (talk) WP:BRD, take it to talk. The article says "may have triggered" and does not specifically tie it to the arrest. I do not believe this content belongs here at this time. As written, it fails verification."
Ferret, some overly-aggressive editors call on BRD to justify starting edit wars. Don't be one of those guys, even by accident, OK? In paricular, I strongly urge you to refrain from the highly disruptive practice of solely explaining complicated or controversial edits in your edit summaries.
It is very hard to conduct a meaingful discussion through a series of edit summaries. Everyone's first impulse is to immediately reply with an edit summary of their own. In my opinion the practice you engaged in is the number one trigger for edit warring.
Not only are these "discussions" very hard to read for uninvolved third parties, not only can third parties only attempt to decode what the dispute was about, by paging through each edit, one at a time, to match what was being changed with the necessarily brief and often inflammatory edit summary, but, in my experience, even the principals have trouble explaining what the dispute was about, when time has passed. Geo Swan ( talk) 14:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I cannot find any sources, credible or not, that state that the Getaway driver is named "Robot". I found every other associate of Vladimir Makarov to have a name but it's stated that the getaway driver is unknown. Even the names in game that show up for each individual character if you hover over them prove that the getaway driver doesn't have a name, but all other characters do. The anonymous editor may have found game files through an ambiguous source that may or may not be reliable, but this also has problems. Many game files have codenames that may not be the official name of the said object, character or otherwise. Another instance of this was for Tag Der Toten in the original Call of Duty: World at War had the file classed as a prototype and this classing style remained in every other file of this map in every other game that had it in its files. If any sources (even if they might not be fully credible, just no sources that are known for trickery or lying) say that his name is robot, please share. JPaul Getty ptoductions ( talk) 17:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@ JPaul Getty ptoductions, there is no such name for the getaway driver, the name Robot maybe came from a TF141 name randomiser as the game uses randomised TF141 NPC names for tf141 characters. You can check the article in https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/No_Russian ABruhRandomUser ( talk) 23:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
So the 2019 USGamer article cited in the Wikipedia article states that the original idea for the level was for the player to pilot an AC-130 and kill zombies in Moscow (This is coming from Jason West, a cofounder of Infinity Ward). Once that idea was scrapped, the idea shifted toward the Moscow airport massacre. However, a recent article from IGN seems to offer a different origin story. Alavi said it was lead designer Steve Fukuda who pitched the idea of the player jumping out of an APC and shoot civilians in a mall, and that it was Alavi who eventually changed the setting to an airport. Alavi made no mention of the AC-130/zombie idea. I'm inclined to believe Alavi because that zombie idea was, bizarre, to say the least. The point is, I'm not sure how to mention it in the Wikipedia article. Should I just say that there were differing accounts as to the level's origin? There's also the possibility that the APC pitch came after the decision was made to scrap the AC-130 plotline, but there's no source to backup that claim. Famous Hobo ( talk) 23:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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Is it worth detailing the level's appearance in Modern Warfare 3? The confrontation between Yuri and Makarov and the "attempt" to stop the attack could be detailed at the bottom of the plot section, but again, I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning it on here. Aria1561 ( talk) 18:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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Per [2],
<ref></ref>
, for readabilitythese ideas sound good and yeah would want a lot more than speculation for the connection to the 2011 incidentRight now I still have to add more information about the initial reception from both gaming journalists and major new publications, the British parliament debating the content of the level, more analysis from research papers about the impact of No Russian, and the possible connection to the 2011 Norway Attacks.
This was a quick pass so please excuse any curtness. Also the questions are mostly rhetorical, so no need to respond inline. On the whole, this is in decent shape with no glaring blind spots. Hope the expansion goes well! (not
watching, please {{
ping}}
)
czar 02:47, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
This is a GA, so any content added needs to be up to that standard, including both grammar and adherence to WP:V. The source being used is simply speculating that his twitter post of a screen shot of No Russia led to his arrest. This is clear in the language they use such as it just might have been what set off alarm bells. No where does the source state specifically that the screen shot was the trigger and there appears to be no official statement towards that at this time. Considering how long ago this was, it's unlikely new information will become available.
Possible alternative text:
Kevin Omar Mohammed was arrested on weapons charges in March 2016, shortly after he posted a screen shot of "No Russian" on social media, asking for a modded version featuring Brussels Airport.
This cuts it down to straight relevant facts. -- ferret ( talk) 14:13, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I added a brief paragraph about how the arrest of a Canadian who tried to travel to ISIS territory was triggered by his request for the "no russian" MOD.
Another contributor reverted my addition with an edit summary asserting the source didn't explicitly name the "no russian" MOD. No, why would an article for general readers name an obscure name?
However, the article did republish a screenshot from "no russian", specifically from about 2 seconds after the player and his cronies open fire on innocent civilians. Compare the screenshot used in this article with the screenshot CBC News published, from a few seconds later from this YouTube video.
So, I restored the perfectly reasonable short paragraph I had added, and started to leave this explanation.
I was unpleasantly surprised to see, Ferret reverted me two minutes later, with the edit summary "Undid revision 903241421 by Geo Swan (talk) WP:BRD, take it to talk. The article says "may have triggered" and does not specifically tie it to the arrest. I do not believe this content belongs here at this time. As written, it fails verification."
Ferret, some overly-aggressive editors call on BRD to justify starting edit wars. Don't be one of those guys, even by accident, OK? In paricular, I strongly urge you to refrain from the highly disruptive practice of solely explaining complicated or controversial edits in your edit summaries.
It is very hard to conduct a meaingful discussion through a series of edit summaries. Everyone's first impulse is to immediately reply with an edit summary of their own. In my opinion the practice you engaged in is the number one trigger for edit warring.
Not only are these "discussions" very hard to read for uninvolved third parties, not only can third parties only attempt to decode what the dispute was about, by paging through each edit, one at a time, to match what was being changed with the necessarily brief and often inflammatory edit summary, but, in my experience, even the principals have trouble explaining what the dispute was about, when time has passed. Geo Swan ( talk) 14:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I cannot find any sources, credible or not, that state that the Getaway driver is named "Robot". I found every other associate of Vladimir Makarov to have a name but it's stated that the getaway driver is unknown. Even the names in game that show up for each individual character if you hover over them prove that the getaway driver doesn't have a name, but all other characters do. The anonymous editor may have found game files through an ambiguous source that may or may not be reliable, but this also has problems. Many game files have codenames that may not be the official name of the said object, character or otherwise. Another instance of this was for Tag Der Toten in the original Call of Duty: World at War had the file classed as a prototype and this classing style remained in every other file of this map in every other game that had it in its files. If any sources (even if they might not be fully credible, just no sources that are known for trickery or lying) say that his name is robot, please share. JPaul Getty ptoductions ( talk) 17:49, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@ JPaul Getty ptoductions, there is no such name for the getaway driver, the name Robot maybe came from a TF141 name randomiser as the game uses randomised TF141 NPC names for tf141 characters. You can check the article in https://callofduty.fandom.com/wiki/No_Russian ABruhRandomUser ( talk) 23:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
So the 2019 USGamer article cited in the Wikipedia article states that the original idea for the level was for the player to pilot an AC-130 and kill zombies in Moscow (This is coming from Jason West, a cofounder of Infinity Ward). Once that idea was scrapped, the idea shifted toward the Moscow airport massacre. However, a recent article from IGN seems to offer a different origin story. Alavi said it was lead designer Steve Fukuda who pitched the idea of the player jumping out of an APC and shoot civilians in a mall, and that it was Alavi who eventually changed the setting to an airport. Alavi made no mention of the AC-130/zombie idea. I'm inclined to believe Alavi because that zombie idea was, bizarre, to say the least. The point is, I'm not sure how to mention it in the Wikipedia article. Should I just say that there were differing accounts as to the level's origin? There's also the possibility that the APC pitch came after the decision was made to scrap the AC-130 plotline, but there's no source to backup that claim. Famous Hobo ( talk) 23:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)