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Hello again. I've just compiled a list of scholarly references used in this article and in the Sahaja Yoga article. It seems that the scholarly references are more inclined to use the honorific title. There is a variety but most often it is "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi" which is often shortened to "Shri Mataji". This is interesting because the shortened version is made up of two, purely honorific names. Here is the list:
Judith Coney, Sahaja Yoga: Socializing Processes in a South Asian New Religious Movement (1999) – Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi, shortened to Sri Mataji (used most often). Only one reference to Nirmala Srivastava.
Hinduism Today - Mataji Nirmala Devi
Kakar, Sudhir (1984) Shamans, Mystics and Doctors: A Psychological Inquiry into India and Its Healing Traditions - Mata Nirmala Devi
Holiest Wars: Islamic Mahdis, Their Jihads, and Osama Bin Laden 2005 by Timothy R. Furnish & Michael Rubin - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Inform brochure - Her Holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Srivastava
http://www.irelandyoga.org - Shri Mataji
Thorax International Journal of Respiratory Medicine - HH Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Barrett, David V. The New Believers - Shri Mataji
Claes Nobel - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
WIPO [1] - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Srivastava, shortened to Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi; or Shri Mataji.
Freelion ( talk) 03:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
References
Most of the scholarly references use a version of "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi" and given her worldwide following, Nirmala Srivastava will be known even more commonly by her honorific name as time goes on. I suggest again that this article's name be changed to the more commonly used honorific name as per the exception to the general rule of not using honorifics. Freelion ( talk) 00:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Alfred the Great is a red herring. It is only one of our Alfred articles, and comes under wp:PRECISE. If we had articles on other people named "Nirmala Srivastava" there might be a need for additional words to distinguish this one, but that is not the case. Even then, those words would have to follow wp:UE and the other parts of wp:Article titles, not just the wp:COMMONNAME part. Hence we could have:
Nirmala Srivastava, known to her devotees as "illustrious respected mother Nirmala goddess" (Hindi:"Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi") was ...
LeadSongDog come howl! 04:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Trimmed down External links sect, and added {{ No more links}}. Cirt ( talk) 14:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Several IP editors added today as the last day of the subject's life. I reverted them because I cannot find any confirmation online. If it is true then kindly provide some link to an official source or news site. Will Beback talk 22:14, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, this is correct. There is no official announcement as yet. Yogiwallah ( talk) 00:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that the honorific shouldn't be used. Dpmuk ( talk) 17:20, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Nirmala Srivastava →
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi — This is a courtesy posting.
User:Freelion suggests moving the article per
wp:COMMONNAME because he says that the proposed name is used more commonly in popular and scholarly sources than the subject's birth name. I recommend keeping the article at the birth name because the proposed name includes three honorifics or laudatory epithets, and is just one of several terms by which the subject is known. The page name has been discussed previously at
Talk:Nirmala Srivastava/Archive 1#This article should be moved.
Will Beback
talk 05:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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I don't know what made the editor add this.Any ways he has rightly added that in 1970 Shri Mataji visited Rajneesh's ashram and was shocked to see him fooling people in the name of sex and Kundalini.Then she decided to start Sahaja Yoga and thereafter she never visited his ashram.It was just once by accident.And it doesn't matter what Sudhir Kakar thinks.There are many people who make different claims and you just can't possibly go on adding everyone's claim.You don't have a source which says "Nirmala Srivastava was closely associated with Rajneesh in her apprenticeship years" and I presume Sudhir Kakar too doesn't have any such source rather than just guessing and making blind claims.Even if you have a source that says "Sudhir Kakar wrote that Nirmala Srivastava was closely associated with Rajneesh in her apprenticeship years",it won't make those rumours true because it is solely based on one person's opinion which isn't true.I humbly request the editor to delete this content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.228.154.200 ( talk) 18:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I dont think this page provides all the information available regarding this woman that is found in the sources of Sahaja Yoga itself. In this it matches up nicely to the actual Sahaja Yoga practice of starting off the initiate with the meditation etc. practices and once they are suggestible, only then bring up the claims of divinity at an `advanced` level. This is the same technique as used in Transcendental Meditation, except there you cant find a website outright calling the guru a god from an official group source.
http://adishakti.org/shri_mataji.htm
I will leave it to inquisitive readers to find the photograph which purports to show angels descending around a picture of `Mataji`. Once again a familiar issue with `godmen` (women?). I commend Nirmala Shrivastava for her charisma and ingenuity in pulling this off. Nevertheless, I dont wish to assert my personal view about her but only want the article to correctly reflect the actual propagated message. Neither this page nor Sahaja Yoga explains any of this. If no one brings up a substantial objection I shall make the relevant edits when logged in. There is additionally information regarding Sahaja Yoga and Ms. Shrivastava on websites from former adherents but I am not referencing such sources, nor do I believe it to be necessary to do so to present a balanced picture. 94.197.120.44 ( talk) 23:43, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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Hello again. I've just compiled a list of scholarly references used in this article and in the Sahaja Yoga article. It seems that the scholarly references are more inclined to use the honorific title. There is a variety but most often it is "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi" which is often shortened to "Shri Mataji". This is interesting because the shortened version is made up of two, purely honorific names. Here is the list:
Judith Coney, Sahaja Yoga: Socializing Processes in a South Asian New Religious Movement (1999) – Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi, shortened to Sri Mataji (used most often). Only one reference to Nirmala Srivastava.
Hinduism Today - Mataji Nirmala Devi
Kakar, Sudhir (1984) Shamans, Mystics and Doctors: A Psychological Inquiry into India and Its Healing Traditions - Mata Nirmala Devi
Holiest Wars: Islamic Mahdis, Their Jihads, and Osama Bin Laden 2005 by Timothy R. Furnish & Michael Rubin - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Inform brochure - Her Holiness Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Srivastava
http://www.irelandyoga.org - Shri Mataji
Thorax International Journal of Respiratory Medicine - HH Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
Barrett, David V. The New Believers - Shri Mataji
Claes Nobel - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
WIPO [1] - Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi Srivastava, shortened to Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi; or Shri Mataji.
Freelion ( talk) 03:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
References
Most of the scholarly references use a version of "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi" and given her worldwide following, Nirmala Srivastava will be known even more commonly by her honorific name as time goes on. I suggest again that this article's name be changed to the more commonly used honorific name as per the exception to the general rule of not using honorifics. Freelion ( talk) 00:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Alfred the Great is a red herring. It is only one of our Alfred articles, and comes under wp:PRECISE. If we had articles on other people named "Nirmala Srivastava" there might be a need for additional words to distinguish this one, but that is not the case. Even then, those words would have to follow wp:UE and the other parts of wp:Article titles, not just the wp:COMMONNAME part. Hence we could have:
Nirmala Srivastava, known to her devotees as "illustrious respected mother Nirmala goddess" (Hindi:"Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi") was ...
LeadSongDog come howl! 04:14, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Trimmed down External links sect, and added {{ No more links}}. Cirt ( talk) 14:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Several IP editors added today as the last day of the subject's life. I reverted them because I cannot find any confirmation online. If it is true then kindly provide some link to an official source or news site. Will Beback talk 22:14, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, this is correct. There is no official announcement as yet. Yogiwallah ( talk) 00:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus is that the honorific shouldn't be used. Dpmuk ( talk) 17:20, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Nirmala Srivastava →
Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi — This is a courtesy posting.
User:Freelion suggests moving the article per
wp:COMMONNAME because he says that the proposed name is used more commonly in popular and scholarly sources than the subject's birth name. I recommend keeping the article at the birth name because the proposed name includes three honorifics or laudatory epithets, and is just one of several terms by which the subject is known. The page name has been discussed previously at
Talk:Nirmala Srivastava/Archive 1#This article should be moved.
Will Beback
talk 05:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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I don't know what made the editor add this.Any ways he has rightly added that in 1970 Shri Mataji visited Rajneesh's ashram and was shocked to see him fooling people in the name of sex and Kundalini.Then she decided to start Sahaja Yoga and thereafter she never visited his ashram.It was just once by accident.And it doesn't matter what Sudhir Kakar thinks.There are many people who make different claims and you just can't possibly go on adding everyone's claim.You don't have a source which says "Nirmala Srivastava was closely associated with Rajneesh in her apprenticeship years" and I presume Sudhir Kakar too doesn't have any such source rather than just guessing and making blind claims.Even if you have a source that says "Sudhir Kakar wrote that Nirmala Srivastava was closely associated with Rajneesh in her apprenticeship years",it won't make those rumours true because it is solely based on one person's opinion which isn't true.I humbly request the editor to delete this content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.228.154.200 ( talk) 18:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I dont think this page provides all the information available regarding this woman that is found in the sources of Sahaja Yoga itself. In this it matches up nicely to the actual Sahaja Yoga practice of starting off the initiate with the meditation etc. practices and once they are suggestible, only then bring up the claims of divinity at an `advanced` level. This is the same technique as used in Transcendental Meditation, except there you cant find a website outright calling the guru a god from an official group source.
http://adishakti.org/shri_mataji.htm
I will leave it to inquisitive readers to find the photograph which purports to show angels descending around a picture of `Mataji`. Once again a familiar issue with `godmen` (women?). I commend Nirmala Shrivastava for her charisma and ingenuity in pulling this off. Nevertheless, I dont wish to assert my personal view about her but only want the article to correctly reflect the actual propagated message. Neither this page nor Sahaja Yoga explains any of this. If no one brings up a substantial objection I shall make the relevant edits when logged in. There is additionally information regarding Sahaja Yoga and Ms. Shrivastava on websites from former adherents but I am not referencing such sources, nor do I believe it to be necessary to do so to present a balanced picture. 94.197.120.44 ( talk) 23:43, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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