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The following Angel persona mask was added and later removed from the article. Was this a rumor or hoax? There are no FAQ's for this game as of yet so I could not verify this.
Angel Mask is unlocked after unlocking both secret endings and collecting all 60 dreamdrops, Nights gains Angel wings, granting the abilities of: faster flight (Rocket), gliding/swimming along the water (Dolphin), and withstanding strong winds (Dragon); all at once. Bluelightnight ( talk) 21:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Just making a note that if you do a Babel Fish translation of that Famitsu news article, there are notes that the title is subject to change. So don't put that they confirmed the title, just that they stated it. :) -- Nick R Talk 17:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I just created the template, it seems appropiate for it that it has a sequel now. OBEY STARMAN 17:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous. Someone explain why nearly all of the article's content was removed? Lurcho 05:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I believe that this page was moved under faulty reasoning. According to official SEGA sources, the name of both the game and the character within is spelled 'NiGHTS'. Since eBay and iPod maintain their trademarked capitalization, I see no reason why NiGHTS should be different. - Rikoshi 23:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I can understand the use of proper English however, I can not see why it allows discrimination against such stuff. After all I do believe its a registered trademark. Why can it not keep its registered trademark excluding "proper English" and "against rules" as a factor? If stuff like eBay and iPod can keep their registered trademarks there is no reason that stuff like NiGHTS and SiCKO should be treated any differently.
Doesn't the boxart look kind of fan-made? I mean there's no rating and the quality is bad. -- Coconutfred73 18:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Amazon lists the release date as November 13th, 2007. Is that dependable enough information to stick in? 64.183.72.179 16:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)KA Rose
I was on http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php?game=nights&lid=gp_nights&lpos=nav_pldwnlst and it said Nights for wii fall 2007-- FrosticeBlade 16:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Instead of "Nights"? 208.101.155.204 04:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Um, yes. But let's keep it confined to the actual name of the ARTICLE, and make a note of it somewhere. 208.101.131.232 17:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
A revision was recently made to the Japanese release date, which was edited to Winter 2007. The information comes from a recent trailer, which can be seen at http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24445.html. Asotoku 18:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Japanese Trailer Platforms: Posted September 01, 2007 @ 5:09 am Release Date: November 13, 2007 This winter, prepare to return to the land of dreams.-- FrosticeBlade 19:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Why was the article moved to NiGHTS: Journey of Dreamss? It's not spelled with two Ss is it? Goron0000 19:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=938874&topic=37932951 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.131.232 ( talk) 17:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Copyright
Obviously the basic names "nights into dreams" and "nights: journey of dreams" are trademarked (their logos certainly are; the TM is clearly displayed), but is there any evidence that Sega has actually registered them as trademarks with any particular capitalisation? I had a quick look though the PAL manual for the original game and couldn't see anything along the lines of "'NiGHTS Into Dreams', 'NiGHTS', 'Claris Sinclair' and 'Elliot Edwards' are registered trademarks of Sega Enterprises Ltd." - with that capitalisation or any other.
(Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm well aware that the above paragraph could be completely wrong - as laymen's discussions about copyright often are. But I am curious about this.)
But regardless of what the trademark status is, the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) takes precedence on this site, and that states, "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment." Hence the building blocks are called "Lego" through most of that article, even though the company makes clear that it wants people to use its preferred capitalisation of "LEGO®".
Article names and body text
Wikipedia:Manual of Style does note that it's just a guideline, and can be overridden if there's an alternative consensus. But one obviously hasn't been reached in our case! :-)
One thing that's clear is that the article names should use "Nights", because Wikipedia:Naming conventions states: "Follow standard English text formatting for article names that are trademarks. Items in full or partial uppercase (such as Invader ZIM) should have standard capitalisation ( Invader Zim)."
So that's not a problem. The question is: what should be used throughout the body of the article? There are three possibilities:
As a fan of the game who uses "NiGHTS" when discussing it elsewhere, I would prefer #1. But I wouldn't complain about #2 if that's what the MOS and consensus suggests.
If we do pick #2, we should justify it by referencing a few places (NOT message boards) which have used that capitalisation. The PAL game's manual uses NiGHTS, and games magazines and websites differ in what they use ( Edge has used both variants, in different issues).
This comment was too long. -- Nick R Talk 01:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
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No, it DOES contain a fair use rational. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.62.37.235 ( talk) 08:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it DOES, and very much so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.79.204 ( talk) 00:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
we change it to NiGHTS then or Nights?-- FrosticeBlade 20:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There's no source given that the game has been delayed to 2008-- the source given is broken and it was just a rumor anyway. The new "Transformations" trailer floating around the 'net even lists the date as 18 Dec 2008 for NA.-- llamapalooza87 01:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I put the staff credits from the people that worked on this game......and it got erased. May I ask why? There are only 25 people that worked on the game excluding the music composers, and I find it essential to list the credits. I see other articles do that. We are Wikipedia after all. So can I put the credits without worrying about someone erasing it?-- S200048 ( talk) 21:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)s200048
It should probably be at the bottom, because the information about the game itself should be prioritized. -- 74.194.118.203 ( talk) 01:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it. The spelling "Nights" is never used to refer to the game or character, only to the plural of night, as in the period of time between sundown and sunrise. Using it here reduced the quality of the article by making it more confusing. If you're going to pull WP:MOSCAPS on me, I have to cite WP:IAR. The article is clearer when capitalized consistent with the sources and subject matter. -- Kinkoblast ( talk) 03:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
While digging through the online print archive, I located the following print reviews for this game:
Hope these are helpful. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 04:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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@ Jaguar: okay, I've done one cleanup pass of the article and will go back to scrutinize the Gameplay, Plot and Reception sections. I have another question:
where he finds that he now has the ability to fly alone without Nights using their Ideya. Does this mean Will can fly using their Ideya, without Nights? Or that Will can fly alone, without Nights having to use their Ideya?
That was the biggest thing I spotted, so you've done good work on the article! – Reidgreg ( talk) 18:01, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
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The following Angel persona mask was added and later removed from the article. Was this a rumor or hoax? There are no FAQ's for this game as of yet so I could not verify this.
Angel Mask is unlocked after unlocking both secret endings and collecting all 60 dreamdrops, Nights gains Angel wings, granting the abilities of: faster flight (Rocket), gliding/swimming along the water (Dolphin), and withstanding strong winds (Dragon); all at once. Bluelightnight ( talk) 21:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Just making a note that if you do a Babel Fish translation of that Famitsu news article, there are notes that the title is subject to change. So don't put that they confirmed the title, just that they stated it. :) -- Nick R Talk 17:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I just created the template, it seems appropiate for it that it has a sequel now. OBEY STARMAN 17:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous. Someone explain why nearly all of the article's content was removed? Lurcho 05:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I believe that this page was moved under faulty reasoning. According to official SEGA sources, the name of both the game and the character within is spelled 'NiGHTS'. Since eBay and iPod maintain their trademarked capitalization, I see no reason why NiGHTS should be different. - Rikoshi 23:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I can understand the use of proper English however, I can not see why it allows discrimination against such stuff. After all I do believe its a registered trademark. Why can it not keep its registered trademark excluding "proper English" and "against rules" as a factor? If stuff like eBay and iPod can keep their registered trademarks there is no reason that stuff like NiGHTS and SiCKO should be treated any differently.
Doesn't the boxart look kind of fan-made? I mean there's no rating and the quality is bad. -- Coconutfred73 18:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Amazon lists the release date as November 13th, 2007. Is that dependable enough information to stick in? 64.183.72.179 16:11, 1 August 2007 (UTC)KA Rose
I was on http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php?game=nights&lid=gp_nights&lpos=nav_pldwnlst and it said Nights for wii fall 2007-- FrosticeBlade 16:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Instead of "Nights"? 208.101.155.204 04:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Um, yes. But let's keep it confined to the actual name of the ARTICLE, and make a note of it somewhere. 208.101.131.232 17:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
A revision was recently made to the Japanese release date, which was edited to Winter 2007. The information comes from a recent trailer, which can be seen at http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24445.html. Asotoku 18:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Japanese Trailer Platforms: Posted September 01, 2007 @ 5:09 am Release Date: November 13, 2007 This winter, prepare to return to the land of dreams.-- FrosticeBlade 19:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Why was the article moved to NiGHTS: Journey of Dreamss? It's not spelled with two Ss is it? Goron0000 19:07, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=938874&topic=37932951 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.101.131.232 ( talk) 17:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Copyright
Obviously the basic names "nights into dreams" and "nights: journey of dreams" are trademarked (their logos certainly are; the TM is clearly displayed), but is there any evidence that Sega has actually registered them as trademarks with any particular capitalisation? I had a quick look though the PAL manual for the original game and couldn't see anything along the lines of "'NiGHTS Into Dreams', 'NiGHTS', 'Claris Sinclair' and 'Elliot Edwards' are registered trademarks of Sega Enterprises Ltd." - with that capitalisation or any other.
(Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm well aware that the above paragraph could be completely wrong - as laymen's discussions about copyright often are. But I am curious about this.)
But regardless of what the trademark status is, the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks) takes precedence on this site, and that states, "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment." Hence the building blocks are called "Lego" through most of that article, even though the company makes clear that it wants people to use its preferred capitalisation of "LEGO®".
Article names and body text
Wikipedia:Manual of Style does note that it's just a guideline, and can be overridden if there's an alternative consensus. But one obviously hasn't been reached in our case! :-)
One thing that's clear is that the article names should use "Nights", because Wikipedia:Naming conventions states: "Follow standard English text formatting for article names that are trademarks. Items in full or partial uppercase (such as Invader ZIM) should have standard capitalisation ( Invader Zim)."
So that's not a problem. The question is: what should be used throughout the body of the article? There are three possibilities:
As a fan of the game who uses "NiGHTS" when discussing it elsewhere, I would prefer #1. But I wouldn't complain about #2 if that's what the MOS and consensus suggests.
If we do pick #2, we should justify it by referencing a few places (NOT message boards) which have used that capitalisation. The PAL game's manual uses NiGHTS, and games magazines and websites differ in what they use ( Edge has used both variants, in different issues).
This comment was too long. -- Nick R Talk 01:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Image:Gamereactor nights.jpg.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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Please ignore that tinhead, BetacommandBot. It has NO idea what it is talking about.
No, it DOES contain a fair use rational. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.62.37.235 ( talk) 08:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it DOES, and very much so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.79.204 ( talk) 00:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
we change it to NiGHTS then or Nights?-- FrosticeBlade 20:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
There's no source given that the game has been delayed to 2008-- the source given is broken and it was just a rumor anyway. The new "Transformations" trailer floating around the 'net even lists the date as 18 Dec 2008 for NA.-- llamapalooza87 01:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I put the staff credits from the people that worked on this game......and it got erased. May I ask why? There are only 25 people that worked on the game excluding the music composers, and I find it essential to list the credits. I see other articles do that. We are Wikipedia after all. So can I put the credits without worrying about someone erasing it?-- S200048 ( talk) 21:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)s200048
It should probably be at the bottom, because the information about the game itself should be prioritized. -- 74.194.118.203 ( talk) 01:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it. The spelling "Nights" is never used to refer to the game or character, only to the plural of night, as in the period of time between sundown and sunrise. Using it here reduced the quality of the article by making it more confusing. If you're going to pull WP:MOSCAPS on me, I have to cite WP:IAR. The article is clearer when capitalized consistent with the sources and subject matter. -- Kinkoblast ( talk) 03:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
While digging through the online print archive, I located the following print reviews for this game:
Hope these are helpful. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 04:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
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@ Jaguar: okay, I've done one cleanup pass of the article and will go back to scrutinize the Gameplay, Plot and Reception sections. I have another question:
where he finds that he now has the ability to fly alone without Nights using their Ideya. Does this mean Will can fly using their Ideya, without Nights? Or that Will can fly alone, without Nights having to use their Ideya?
That was the biggest thing I spotted, so you've done good work on the article! – Reidgreg ( talk) 18:01, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams -. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. -Regards, SONIC 678 05:27, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
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Should "Nights" be used to refer to the game, and "NiGHTS" be used to refer to the character? MiasmaEternal TALK 05:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
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