External links checked 2008-09-19. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC) |
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
|
Is it the same thing a nick name and a pet name? If so, that should be written on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.63.158.198 ( talk) 19:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Due to the great length of the page, I suggest combining the nicknames that are on this page, but not on the other (such as City nicknames), and then just putting a link to the other page. I began to do this with the American football nicknames.-- Jickyincognito 08:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Australian "ironic" nicknames - how can I prove it, it's just a known fact. People round here (NW NSW) use that form of construction all the time. "Blue" in particular is a defining usage of Australian English especially abroad - "G'Day Blue" is a stereotype and cliche of the way Aussies talk. I have various guide books on Australia and most mention this type of nicknaming as typically Australian - take a characteristic and invent a nickname based on its opposite. What else is there to say? Anecdotal and what written evidence I have backs this up. I'm not sure why you're so against remarking that this is Aussie usage anyway - usually edits have to be defended. I've defended my end - argue yours. Graham 03:19, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Carrot Top was more common in Western Australia as well as in India. As I'm "strawberry blonde" I sometimes got called that moniker, always derogatory. I can't remember any redheads being called Red. However, I remember Spenny for Brian Spencer, Smithy for Nevil Smith, Wattsy for Alan Watts. My father was once known as Ned because he reminded people of Ned Kelly from Australian bushranger lengends. It must be noted that my experience of Australia growing up was the Eastern Goldfields of Western Australia. Due to the remoteness of Kalgroorlie its cultural bias naturally contrasts with any cultural bias throughout Eastern Australia. Honestly I had never thought to even call myself Blue when introdoucing myself ... I'll have to try it sometime. Ivan 11:35 PM, 11 Oct 2007 (UTC)
Easy: How many actual people have that nickname? (Blue) I've never met a single one myself, and know of no well-known celebrities or sports people with that nickname. Generally the word "blue", in Australian slang terms, means a fight, a mistake, or depressed. To me, these common usages with their negative overtones make it unlikely as a common nickname. (Also, it is extremely rare for a straight-haired person to be nicknamed "curly"!) If this was a common nicknaming construction, then one would expect some famous actual examples, yet "Slim" Dusty is not fat, while "The Great White Shark" indeed had white hair.
However, I will not remove the "cliched, stereotype" again.
I would just like to add that as an Australian I hear the term "Bluey" used as a nickname for red-heads all the time, and think it should be in the article. But I would also like to mention that this article has a very strong English POV, and should be edited to become more international. For example, the sports nicknames doesn't mention a single sports club from outside England. -- plattopus ( talk) 17:34, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
I'm in the not-really-common camp - but some other examples, both Ashley Mallett and Dale Shearer got "Rowdy" for being quiet. -- Paul 28 June 2005 15:56 (UTC)
Relating to given names: To use "abbreviation" and "diminutive" as synonymous does make sense in English, but not in many other languages. In the Italian example used "Giovannino" is a diminutive from "Giovanni" and it is longer.In fact, in many languages diminutives are formed by affixes and tend to be longer than the straight form of the name. -- Georgius 08:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
Re: "Slim Dusty is not fat". Yes, but what about Fatty Finn? "He's not fat, he's really very thin." Zsero 04:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of whether ironic nicknames are common in Australia, there is nothing uniquely or particularly Australian about it. See Charles the Bald, Eric "Slowhand" Clapton, King Tubby etc. etc. I think this is a pretty much universal nicknaming practice. In the absence of more evidence, I don't think the Australian usage is particularly noteworthy. 203.96.78.190 00:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Need to add discussion of nicknames as used in online communities -- Sitearm | Talk 22:31, 2005 August 4 (UTC)
Pet name redirects here, yet there is no information on them (pet names referring to names lovers may refer to each other as). I am particularly interested in common pet names in other languages, but there should be at least a mention nonetheless. -- Zeromaru 18:28:17, 2005-09-09 (UTC)
Ottawa Senators - nickname - Sens
I'm thinking this page is a tad long, and has a fairly random list of nicknames. It might make more sense to get rid of the list in the main article, and simply link to it, or to separate lists sorted by category. Somethingsin 11:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be any information on how the term came about. Can anyone help? -- jazzle 21:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the etymology listed here is correct. There are two words to be considered here. The expression "to eke out" comes from a different Old English that I think may be the one listed here (I'll have to verify). I almost certain "eke" was a word that meant "also" maybe related to German "auch". Deman7001 01:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
What other type of insult is there? I thought it was used ironically as a term of endearment between African-Americans who know each other well, but if you don't know them and you call them Nigger it's unacceptable. Ga rr ie 04:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it here, but there are other ways. For instance, Harold "Betty" Stark, named for a boast he made, repeating a boast of a famous general's wife, mistakenly identifying her as "Betty" (her actual name was "Molly".) Also, there's "the Tiger of Malaysia" (Yamashita), "Dugout Doug" (MacArthur), "Tenacious" (Raizo Tenaka), to name just a few that come to mind... Anybody want to try & place these? Trekphiler 03:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it here anymore. Isn't there a list of criminals by nickname? Or did some high & mighty decide it wasn't relevant enough? 11:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
May be this is my poor understanding of English, but something is really screwed up here. This section lists ethnic slurs and other offenses, rather possible personal names: Canuck, Bananabender, Wop, etc. At least they are in no way match the definition given in this article.
Please clarify`' mikkanarxi 22:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone verufy these long and growing and unreferenced lists of nicknames? I am tempted to delete nearly all of them as unsourced. `' mikkanarxi 23:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
jovanny was here!!!
some reason this is a problem in several articles, people seem to think they are allowed to list every little nickname they hear, even if they are not widely accepted nicknames -- Ditre 00:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a section on usage of nicknames? Such as, in written form we sometimes use quotes to set off a nickname, and sometimes not. Additionally, what about nickname placement in writing. I understand that there is no standard, but a small discussion on the subject may be informative. In spoken language, does every culture use nicknames as English speakers do? Etc. -- 159.178.50.186 20:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I proposed a wikiproject for all name articles, check it out here [1] if you are interested. Remember 18:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Very many have wondered how do you get Peggy from Margaret? Well, I can only say that "E" can replace "A" or the other way around in nicknames. Because "R" isn't always pronounceable before consonants, the "R" disappears, like in Babs from Barbara. I don't know what "M" and "P" have in common.
If anybody has asked about other unusual nicknames, like Bob from Robert, I can tell you that Anglo Saxon nicknames switch the first letter that has to somehow have a connection with the original letter. 66.191.115.61 23:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)Cbsteffen
I would like an explanation of nickname-like abbreviations -- like Wm for William, Jos for Joseph, and so on...if those aren't nicknames, what are they? I would add it, but I don't know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.186.18 ( talk) 04:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah but it can be more confusing than that... Some are ovious: Bill -- > Will, Jon -- > Jonathan, Fred --> Frederick, Becky/Becca -- > Rebecca, Beth -- > Elizabeth, Jo -- > Johanna, Cathy -- > Catherine, Ray -- > Raymond, Frank -- > Franklin, Phil -- > Philip, etc, etc.
Others aren't: Ruth -- > Esther, Jim -- > James, John -- > Tom, Ted -- > Theodore or Edward, Peg -- > Margaret, Maggie --> Marjorie, etc. etc. To be quite truthful, it just takes some 'learning' to know some of these. CaribDigita ( talk) 08:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
The start of the article is a useful encyclopaedic article but it descends into an unencyclopaedic unweildy article. Should the lists of nicknames be gone? B1atv 19:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone actually heard this nickname being used? I can think of many many nicknames for fat people that are more common than this one. TheAstonishingBadger 23:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be more about Pen Names. I don't know what, but I think just saying "Many writers have pen names which they use instead of their real names" isn't enough. Also some other authors you should mention: Lemony Snicket, Mark Twain. -Lea ( talk) 03:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
e qofshni bajramin me lumturi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.85.218 ( talk) 19:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
There really does not need to be more information about pen names because there is already a separate article about them. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 01:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
new group=> ideas welcome
e.g. electrician : Sparks, bricklayer : Brickie, (see Dylan Thomas for Welsh ones) SPV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.109.182.187 ( talk) 02:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I have no idea what these would be called other than nicknames. Some long established nicknames in English are like Peggy (for Margaret), Mary (for Miriam), Rusty (for Russell), Pinky (for Alex), Bert (for Cuthbert), Chuck (for Charles), Manny (for Emmanuel), Dick (for Richard), Tony (for Anthony), Kenny (for Kenneth), Joan (for Johanna), Art (for Arthur), Al (for Albert), etc. Is there any articles or lists somewhere on these common nicknames as a list? CaribDigita ( talk) 17:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
The current article refers almost entirely to English-language nickname practice. It needs to be expanded to a world-wide perspective. -- Macrakis ( talk) 18:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
In sign languages (at least those I know about), you can fingerspell someone's name (spell out the letters alphabetically) but people who sign are usually given a "sign name", like a nickname, by their peers. This can often be based on a physical characteristic of the person or some other distinctive aspect such as what they like to do or where they live, much as with spoken nicknames in English. E.g. I have seen examples of "Eyebrows" for a man with bushy eyebrows or a sign that means "Moving around" for a child who never sat still. I think it can sometimes be based on the actual name but I am not sure.
This might be an interesting aspect to add to the article. Crana ( talk) 14:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
It was years ago when I read "The Language and Lore of Children" by Peter Opie and Iona Opie, but I seem to recall that included a section on nicknames used by school children. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 21:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Sensitivity is needed in editing this article, but I did not think it seemed to offensive to any one to say that the nickname "genius" may be applied to bright people. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 23:34, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Isn't the nickname "Hawkeye" attributed to a character from "Last of the Mohicans" by Pierce himself in the series? I think he said his dad loved the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.175.32.136 ( talk) 10:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The following: "It is not interchangeable with a term called "short-for". It can also be the familiar or truncated form of the proper name, . . ." seems to me to be a contradiction. If Bob is short for Robert, isn't it one of several possible familiar or truncation form of the name Robert and also a common nickname for someone? Wschart ( talk) 13:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Either way, I could not find that quotation at the citation. 209.162.20.221 ( talk) 00:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
George Patton's men famously wore chrome plated and polished "steel pot" (battle) helmets, literally "chrome domes". Applying the name to bald men was a reference to this well known idiosyncrasy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.37.108 ( talk) 00:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
It sounds like all three of these names are being used to describe someone who is bald and unless someone can think of another example of a nickname based on the "type of hair" ("stringy"? No), I'll collapse the categories. 69.125.134.86 ( talk) 21:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
...is a load of bullshit that somebody made up. Very few citations or other cited sources of consequence.04:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.75.110.18 ( talk) 04:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
A popular "Today I Learned" thread on Reddit today has drawn attention to the fact that the origin of "skip" and other alleged family-based nicknames is without citation. [2].-- Milowent • has spoken 15:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Nickname#Conventions_in_various_languages says "English nicknames are generally represented in quotes between the bearer's first and last names", then gives only examples with nicknames between the middle and last names "(e.g., Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower, Daniel Lamont "Bubba" Franks, etc.)"--then confoundingly proceeds to say "The middle name is generally eliminated".
i came to this page after deciding the Chris Pine article begins awkwardly, naming him Christopher Whitelaw "Chris" Pine. Doesn't Christopher "Chris" Whitelaw Pine flow more easily and make more sense, given that Chris is (i presume) a modifier of Christopher rather than Whitelaw or Pine? But Christopher Whitelaw "Chris" Pine follows the same format as Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower and Daniel Lamont "Bubba" Franks. Is there some rule that says that's the preferred order? Or is it just a guideline, or just a habit? Maybe even a bad habit.
i intend to be bold (if not boldly going where no one's gone before) and edit Chris Pine's article, and hope the majority Wikipedian consensus goes my way... or, failing that, hope that someone can tell me where it says nicknames belong between the middle and last name, because the nickname article is not very clear about that. i found nothing relevant to my question in the articles personal name, given name, middle name, or surname, either; let me know if you find something i missed!
Thanks for your time and consideration.
Signed, R2- 71.121.143.23 ( talk) 05:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
This article needs to disambiguate between different uses of the word "nickname" that would be translated to different words in other languages.
A nickname is always an alternate name. The person, thing or place being named also has an official name, which is different.
I think the following closely related, but different concepts must be distinguished, and the term nickname when used properly only refers to the first of these:
The problem is of course that these are overlapping concepts; given a name, it's often hard to tell what kind it is. For example:
Rp ( talk) 12:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Nickname. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 17:16, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
I can't understand the second sentence in this, actually just nicknames "that became proper names out of former nicknames", taken from intro:
"A moniker also means a nickname or personal name.[3] The word often distinguishes personal names from nicknames that became proper names out of former nicknames. English examples are Bob and Rob, nickname variants for Robert."
Can this be written so that it is both true and intelligible? If not, please delete it. I also wonder what the source of this is. Footnote [3], referring to a simple definition, doesn't support it. DCDuring ( talk) 16:58, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
The words sobriquet and nickname are synonyms, according to dictionaries. One can argue that there tends to be some differences in how each word is typically used, but one cannot say this represents differing concepts, per se. The only content that distinguishes the two articles is the etymology section, but then WP:NAD: the article should be about the concept of a nickname/sobriquet, not the definitions and origins of the words nickname and sobriquet. Discussions of etymology and word usage are at best minor discussions in an article (and in some cases not even appropriate for an encyclopedia).
-- MC 141.131.2.3 ( talk) 20:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The section mentioning Japanese honorifics is a bit obscure. Temerarius ( talk) 17:33, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
It's not obvious to this irreligious foreigner what Mick has to do with Catholicism. I had always supposed Mick to be an Irish version of Mike (as Jock is Scottish for Jack, and Taffy is Welsh for Dave), or else to allude to the number of Irish surnames with Mc. — Tamfang ( talk) 05:54, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Shnoogums. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Hog Farm ( talk) 05:09, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
This sentence conflates the purpose of using a nickname with its origin. Foggy Nelson's nickname presumably originated from a character trait, but when Matt Murdock calls him "Foggy" he's not doing it to express a character trait. — Tamfang ( talk) 21:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
prevention is better than dealing with the problem. 2607:FB91:13B1:CE7E:F05E:CBD5:63AA:8001 ( talk) 08:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm very sure that Edinburgh was "Auld Reekie" due to the stench from the bogland/marshland/pool/cesspit along the centre of the city that has long since been drained and is now the main railway station and parkland...
Except... There's more to the story than only what was Nor’ Loch:
[3]A timeline of Edinburgh's smelliest moments
Regards, Martin M3142 ( talk) 03:51, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
The list of forms of derivation of hypocorisms could be moved to that much shorter article, and incorporated here by reference. —Tamfang ( talk) 07:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
External links checked 2008-09-19. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC) |
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||
|
Is it the same thing a nick name and a pet name? If so, that should be written on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.63.158.198 ( talk) 19:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Due to the great length of the page, I suggest combining the nicknames that are on this page, but not on the other (such as City nicknames), and then just putting a link to the other page. I began to do this with the American football nicknames.-- Jickyincognito 08:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Australian "ironic" nicknames - how can I prove it, it's just a known fact. People round here (NW NSW) use that form of construction all the time. "Blue" in particular is a defining usage of Australian English especially abroad - "G'Day Blue" is a stereotype and cliche of the way Aussies talk. I have various guide books on Australia and most mention this type of nicknaming as typically Australian - take a characteristic and invent a nickname based on its opposite. What else is there to say? Anecdotal and what written evidence I have backs this up. I'm not sure why you're so against remarking that this is Aussie usage anyway - usually edits have to be defended. I've defended my end - argue yours. Graham 03:19, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Carrot Top was more common in Western Australia as well as in India. As I'm "strawberry blonde" I sometimes got called that moniker, always derogatory. I can't remember any redheads being called Red. However, I remember Spenny for Brian Spencer, Smithy for Nevil Smith, Wattsy for Alan Watts. My father was once known as Ned because he reminded people of Ned Kelly from Australian bushranger lengends. It must be noted that my experience of Australia growing up was the Eastern Goldfields of Western Australia. Due to the remoteness of Kalgroorlie its cultural bias naturally contrasts with any cultural bias throughout Eastern Australia. Honestly I had never thought to even call myself Blue when introdoucing myself ... I'll have to try it sometime. Ivan 11:35 PM, 11 Oct 2007 (UTC)
Easy: How many actual people have that nickname? (Blue) I've never met a single one myself, and know of no well-known celebrities or sports people with that nickname. Generally the word "blue", in Australian slang terms, means a fight, a mistake, or depressed. To me, these common usages with their negative overtones make it unlikely as a common nickname. (Also, it is extremely rare for a straight-haired person to be nicknamed "curly"!) If this was a common nicknaming construction, then one would expect some famous actual examples, yet "Slim" Dusty is not fat, while "The Great White Shark" indeed had white hair.
However, I will not remove the "cliched, stereotype" again.
I would just like to add that as an Australian I hear the term "Bluey" used as a nickname for red-heads all the time, and think it should be in the article. But I would also like to mention that this article has a very strong English POV, and should be edited to become more international. For example, the sports nicknames doesn't mention a single sports club from outside England. -- plattopus ( talk) 17:34, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
I'm in the not-really-common camp - but some other examples, both Ashley Mallett and Dale Shearer got "Rowdy" for being quiet. -- Paul 28 June 2005 15:56 (UTC)
Relating to given names: To use "abbreviation" and "diminutive" as synonymous does make sense in English, but not in many other languages. In the Italian example used "Giovannino" is a diminutive from "Giovanni" and it is longer.In fact, in many languages diminutives are formed by affixes and tend to be longer than the straight form of the name. -- Georgius 08:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
Re: "Slim Dusty is not fat". Yes, but what about Fatty Finn? "He's not fat, he's really very thin." Zsero 04:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of whether ironic nicknames are common in Australia, there is nothing uniquely or particularly Australian about it. See Charles the Bald, Eric "Slowhand" Clapton, King Tubby etc. etc. I think this is a pretty much universal nicknaming practice. In the absence of more evidence, I don't think the Australian usage is particularly noteworthy. 203.96.78.190 00:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Need to add discussion of nicknames as used in online communities -- Sitearm | Talk 22:31, 2005 August 4 (UTC)
Pet name redirects here, yet there is no information on them (pet names referring to names lovers may refer to each other as). I am particularly interested in common pet names in other languages, but there should be at least a mention nonetheless. -- Zeromaru 18:28:17, 2005-09-09 (UTC)
Ottawa Senators - nickname - Sens
I'm thinking this page is a tad long, and has a fairly random list of nicknames. It might make more sense to get rid of the list in the main article, and simply link to it, or to separate lists sorted by category. Somethingsin 11:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be any information on how the term came about. Can anyone help? -- jazzle 21:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the etymology listed here is correct. There are two words to be considered here. The expression "to eke out" comes from a different Old English that I think may be the one listed here (I'll have to verify). I almost certain "eke" was a word that meant "also" maybe related to German "auch". Deman7001 01:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
What other type of insult is there? I thought it was used ironically as a term of endearment between African-Americans who know each other well, but if you don't know them and you call them Nigger it's unacceptable. Ga rr ie 04:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it here, but there are other ways. For instance, Harold "Betty" Stark, named for a boast he made, repeating a boast of a famous general's wife, mistakenly identifying her as "Betty" (her actual name was "Molly".) Also, there's "the Tiger of Malaysia" (Yamashita), "Dugout Doug" (MacArthur), "Tenacious" (Raizo Tenaka), to name just a few that come to mind... Anybody want to try & place these? Trekphiler 03:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it here anymore. Isn't there a list of criminals by nickname? Or did some high & mighty decide it wasn't relevant enough? 11:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
May be this is my poor understanding of English, but something is really screwed up here. This section lists ethnic slurs and other offenses, rather possible personal names: Canuck, Bananabender, Wop, etc. At least they are in no way match the definition given in this article.
Please clarify`' mikkanarxi 22:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone verufy these long and growing and unreferenced lists of nicknames? I am tempted to delete nearly all of them as unsourced. `' mikkanarxi 23:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
jovanny was here!!!
some reason this is a problem in several articles, people seem to think they are allowed to list every little nickname they hear, even if they are not widely accepted nicknames -- Ditre 00:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a section on usage of nicknames? Such as, in written form we sometimes use quotes to set off a nickname, and sometimes not. Additionally, what about nickname placement in writing. I understand that there is no standard, but a small discussion on the subject may be informative. In spoken language, does every culture use nicknames as English speakers do? Etc. -- 159.178.50.186 20:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I proposed a wikiproject for all name articles, check it out here [1] if you are interested. Remember 18:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Very many have wondered how do you get Peggy from Margaret? Well, I can only say that "E" can replace "A" or the other way around in nicknames. Because "R" isn't always pronounceable before consonants, the "R" disappears, like in Babs from Barbara. I don't know what "M" and "P" have in common.
If anybody has asked about other unusual nicknames, like Bob from Robert, I can tell you that Anglo Saxon nicknames switch the first letter that has to somehow have a connection with the original letter. 66.191.115.61 23:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)Cbsteffen
I would like an explanation of nickname-like abbreviations -- like Wm for William, Jos for Joseph, and so on...if those aren't nicknames, what are they? I would add it, but I don't know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.102.186.18 ( talk) 04:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah but it can be more confusing than that... Some are ovious: Bill -- > Will, Jon -- > Jonathan, Fred --> Frederick, Becky/Becca -- > Rebecca, Beth -- > Elizabeth, Jo -- > Johanna, Cathy -- > Catherine, Ray -- > Raymond, Frank -- > Franklin, Phil -- > Philip, etc, etc.
Others aren't: Ruth -- > Esther, Jim -- > James, John -- > Tom, Ted -- > Theodore or Edward, Peg -- > Margaret, Maggie --> Marjorie, etc. etc. To be quite truthful, it just takes some 'learning' to know some of these. CaribDigita ( talk) 08:01, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
The start of the article is a useful encyclopaedic article but it descends into an unencyclopaedic unweildy article. Should the lists of nicknames be gone? B1atv 19:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone actually heard this nickname being used? I can think of many many nicknames for fat people that are more common than this one. TheAstonishingBadger 23:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be more about Pen Names. I don't know what, but I think just saying "Many writers have pen names which they use instead of their real names" isn't enough. Also some other authors you should mention: Lemony Snicket, Mark Twain. -Lea ( talk) 03:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
e qofshni bajramin me lumturi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.85.218 ( talk) 19:21, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
There really does not need to be more information about pen names because there is already a separate article about them. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 01:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
new group=> ideas welcome
e.g. electrician : Sparks, bricklayer : Brickie, (see Dylan Thomas for Welsh ones) SPV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.109.182.187 ( talk) 02:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I have no idea what these would be called other than nicknames. Some long established nicknames in English are like Peggy (for Margaret), Mary (for Miriam), Rusty (for Russell), Pinky (for Alex), Bert (for Cuthbert), Chuck (for Charles), Manny (for Emmanuel), Dick (for Richard), Tony (for Anthony), Kenny (for Kenneth), Joan (for Johanna), Art (for Arthur), Al (for Albert), etc. Is there any articles or lists somewhere on these common nicknames as a list? CaribDigita ( talk) 17:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
The current article refers almost entirely to English-language nickname practice. It needs to be expanded to a world-wide perspective. -- Macrakis ( talk) 18:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
In sign languages (at least those I know about), you can fingerspell someone's name (spell out the letters alphabetically) but people who sign are usually given a "sign name", like a nickname, by their peers. This can often be based on a physical characteristic of the person or some other distinctive aspect such as what they like to do or where they live, much as with spoken nicknames in English. E.g. I have seen examples of "Eyebrows" for a man with bushy eyebrows or a sign that means "Moving around" for a child who never sat still. I think it can sometimes be based on the actual name but I am not sure.
This might be an interesting aspect to add to the article. Crana ( talk) 14:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
It was years ago when I read "The Language and Lore of Children" by Peter Opie and Iona Opie, but I seem to recall that included a section on nicknames used by school children. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 21:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Sensitivity is needed in editing this article, but I did not think it seemed to offensive to any one to say that the nickname "genius" may be applied to bright people. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 23:34, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Isn't the nickname "Hawkeye" attributed to a character from "Last of the Mohicans" by Pierce himself in the series? I think he said his dad loved the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.175.32.136 ( talk) 10:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The following: "It is not interchangeable with a term called "short-for". It can also be the familiar or truncated form of the proper name, . . ." seems to me to be a contradiction. If Bob is short for Robert, isn't it one of several possible familiar or truncation form of the name Robert and also a common nickname for someone? Wschart ( talk) 13:58, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Either way, I could not find that quotation at the citation. 209.162.20.221 ( talk) 00:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
George Patton's men famously wore chrome plated and polished "steel pot" (battle) helmets, literally "chrome domes". Applying the name to bald men was a reference to this well known idiosyncrasy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.37.108 ( talk) 00:09, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
It sounds like all three of these names are being used to describe someone who is bald and unless someone can think of another example of a nickname based on the "type of hair" ("stringy"? No), I'll collapse the categories. 69.125.134.86 ( talk) 21:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
...is a load of bullshit that somebody made up. Very few citations or other cited sources of consequence.04:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.75.110.18 ( talk) 04:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
A popular "Today I Learned" thread on Reddit today has drawn attention to the fact that the origin of "skip" and other alleged family-based nicknames is without citation. [2].-- Milowent • has spoken 15:37, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Nickname#Conventions_in_various_languages says "English nicknames are generally represented in quotes between the bearer's first and last names", then gives only examples with nicknames between the middle and last names "(e.g., Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower, Daniel Lamont "Bubba" Franks, etc.)"--then confoundingly proceeds to say "The middle name is generally eliminated".
i came to this page after deciding the Chris Pine article begins awkwardly, naming him Christopher Whitelaw "Chris" Pine. Doesn't Christopher "Chris" Whitelaw Pine flow more easily and make more sense, given that Chris is (i presume) a modifier of Christopher rather than Whitelaw or Pine? But Christopher Whitelaw "Chris" Pine follows the same format as Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower and Daniel Lamont "Bubba" Franks. Is there some rule that says that's the preferred order? Or is it just a guideline, or just a habit? Maybe even a bad habit.
i intend to be bold (if not boldly going where no one's gone before) and edit Chris Pine's article, and hope the majority Wikipedian consensus goes my way... or, failing that, hope that someone can tell me where it says nicknames belong between the middle and last name, because the nickname article is not very clear about that. i found nothing relevant to my question in the articles personal name, given name, middle name, or surname, either; let me know if you find something i missed!
Thanks for your time and consideration.
Signed, R2- 71.121.143.23 ( talk) 05:38, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
This article needs to disambiguate between different uses of the word "nickname" that would be translated to different words in other languages.
A nickname is always an alternate name. The person, thing or place being named also has an official name, which is different.
I think the following closely related, but different concepts must be distinguished, and the term nickname when used properly only refers to the first of these:
The problem is of course that these are overlapping concepts; given a name, it's often hard to tell what kind it is. For example:
Rp ( talk) 12:30, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Nickname. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 17:16, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
I can't understand the second sentence in this, actually just nicknames "that became proper names out of former nicknames", taken from intro:
"A moniker also means a nickname or personal name.[3] The word often distinguishes personal names from nicknames that became proper names out of former nicknames. English examples are Bob and Rob, nickname variants for Robert."
Can this be written so that it is both true and intelligible? If not, please delete it. I also wonder what the source of this is. Footnote [3], referring to a simple definition, doesn't support it. DCDuring ( talk) 16:58, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
The words sobriquet and nickname are synonyms, according to dictionaries. One can argue that there tends to be some differences in how each word is typically used, but one cannot say this represents differing concepts, per se. The only content that distinguishes the two articles is the etymology section, but then WP:NAD: the article should be about the concept of a nickname/sobriquet, not the definitions and origins of the words nickname and sobriquet. Discussions of etymology and word usage are at best minor discussions in an article (and in some cases not even appropriate for an encyclopedia).
-- MC 141.131.2.3 ( talk) 20:20, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The section mentioning Japanese honorifics is a bit obscure. Temerarius ( talk) 17:33, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
It's not obvious to this irreligious foreigner what Mick has to do with Catholicism. I had always supposed Mick to be an Irish version of Mike (as Jock is Scottish for Jack, and Taffy is Welsh for Dave), or else to allude to the number of Irish surnames with Mc. — Tamfang ( talk) 05:54, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Shnoogums. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Hog Farm ( talk) 05:09, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
This sentence conflates the purpose of using a nickname with its origin. Foggy Nelson's nickname presumably originated from a character trait, but when Matt Murdock calls him "Foggy" he's not doing it to express a character trait. — Tamfang ( talk) 21:55, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
prevention is better than dealing with the problem. 2607:FB91:13B1:CE7E:F05E:CBD5:63AA:8001 ( talk) 08:22, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm very sure that Edinburgh was "Auld Reekie" due to the stench from the bogland/marshland/pool/cesspit along the centre of the city that has long since been drained and is now the main railway station and parkland...
Except... There's more to the story than only what was Nor’ Loch:
[3]A timeline of Edinburgh's smelliest moments
Regards, Martin M3142 ( talk) 03:51, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
The list of forms of derivation of hypocorisms could be moved to that much shorter article, and incorporated here by reference. —Tamfang ( talk) 07:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)