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An issue has come up: should the infobox to this article contain the field "government_type", filled in with "Parliamentary constitutional monarchy". Since this issue affects all ten provinces and the three territories, a Request for Comment has been started on the Canadian Wikipedians Notice Board. If you interested in this issue, please come to the Notice Board and contribute to the discussion. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 00:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I am unable to locate this discussion, which seems to be recent. What in the world else would you call it? Elinruby ( talk) 23:23, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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TartarTorte
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A couple of days ago I edited the "Reform and Fisherman's Union" to tone down what I felt was an overenthusiastic description of just how independent the dominions were in 1907, which was then reverted with the justification that the previous wording matches the cited source. So I had a look at the cited source, and ... no, it does not. The source describes a dominion as "a self-governing state of the British Empire or British Commonwealth", whereas the article says "a self-governing state within the association of states referred to as the British Empire or British Commonwealth", thereby making it sound like the British Empire in 1907 was a voluntary international organisation in which the dominions enjoyed equality with the British government (five years after the end of a war in which Canada, though not so far as I know Newfoundland, had participated with the rest of the Empire in fighting for the proposition that membership in the British Empire was not voluntary). The article says that "the British monarch remained the 'sovereign' but the crown's authority was exercised through the Newfoundland cabinet accountable solely to the legislature in St. John's" whereas the source says only that "Newfoundland was relatively autonomous from British rule" and "negotiated its own trade agreement with the United States (which was later blocked by the British government)". I would contend that the only way to read the article's wording is that the government of Newfoundland was in the hands only of Newfoundlanders, to the exclusion of London, which is actually contradictory to the source's wording of "relatively autonomous" and to the fact that the only instance of Newfoundland conducting its own foreign policy that the source can cite is negotiating a trade agreement that never went into effect because the Westminster Parliament vetoed it against the Newfoundland government's wishes.
(If anything, my edits brought the article closer to the source, if still leaving a greater emphasis on Newfoundland independence, since I left in the bit about "solely accountable to the legislature in St. John's." The only change I made not supported by the source is removing the reference to the Commonwealth of Nations, which I would still maintain is anachronistic in the context of 1907.)
I would propose this wording, which preserves what actually is in the source even if I object to it while removing the unsupported promotion of the idea that Newfoundland, or any other dominion, was essentially a fully independent state with diplomatic and legal equality with the United Kingdom prior to the First World War: In 1907, Newfoundland acquired dominion status, or self-government, within the British Empire or British Commonwealth. [1] Government of Newfoundland was conducted mostly by a cabinet accountable solely to the legislature in St. John's, subject only to occasional interference from the Crown, as when the British government vetoed a trade agreement Newfoundland had negotiated with the United States.{{refname="mapleweb"/> Binabik80 ( talk) 19:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC) Binabik80 ( talk) 19:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for this correction ManfredHugh ( talk) 08:42, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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Quisiera optar por una propuesta de. Trabajo 2800:98:1012:B389:F943:231:DBA8:A74A ( talk) 20:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
I am moving this discussion here from Nikkimaria's talk page. @ Magnolia677: and @ Nikkimaria: I am curious what you feel is undue about all of the sentences which were removed. I am not in the business of edit warring; please leave HxFact's original edits intact while we discuss this so they stay open for more constructive changes while we discuss this. I am also happy to take a stab based on your comments. -- Utl jung ( talk) 14:47, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Should Canada's worst airplane disaster (Arrow Air Flight 1285) be included in the history section?
Should Newfoundland's response to 9-11 be included in the history section? 136.36.180.215 ( talk) 20:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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An issue has come up: should the infobox to this article contain the field "government_type", filled in with "Parliamentary constitutional monarchy". Since this issue affects all ten provinces and the three territories, a Request for Comment has been started on the Canadian Wikipedians Notice Board. If you interested in this issue, please come to the Notice Board and contribute to the discussion. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz ( talk) 00:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I am unable to locate this discussion, which seems to be recent. What in the world else would you call it? Elinruby ( talk) 23:23, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect
Talamh an Éisc agus Labradar and has thus listed it
for discussion. This discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 31#Talamh an Éisc agus Labradar until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
TartarTorte
19:25, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
A couple of days ago I edited the "Reform and Fisherman's Union" to tone down what I felt was an overenthusiastic description of just how independent the dominions were in 1907, which was then reverted with the justification that the previous wording matches the cited source. So I had a look at the cited source, and ... no, it does not. The source describes a dominion as "a self-governing state of the British Empire or British Commonwealth", whereas the article says "a self-governing state within the association of states referred to as the British Empire or British Commonwealth", thereby making it sound like the British Empire in 1907 was a voluntary international organisation in which the dominions enjoyed equality with the British government (five years after the end of a war in which Canada, though not so far as I know Newfoundland, had participated with the rest of the Empire in fighting for the proposition that membership in the British Empire was not voluntary). The article says that "the British monarch remained the 'sovereign' but the crown's authority was exercised through the Newfoundland cabinet accountable solely to the legislature in St. John's" whereas the source says only that "Newfoundland was relatively autonomous from British rule" and "negotiated its own trade agreement with the United States (which was later blocked by the British government)". I would contend that the only way to read the article's wording is that the government of Newfoundland was in the hands only of Newfoundlanders, to the exclusion of London, which is actually contradictory to the source's wording of "relatively autonomous" and to the fact that the only instance of Newfoundland conducting its own foreign policy that the source can cite is negotiating a trade agreement that never went into effect because the Westminster Parliament vetoed it against the Newfoundland government's wishes.
(If anything, my edits brought the article closer to the source, if still leaving a greater emphasis on Newfoundland independence, since I left in the bit about "solely accountable to the legislature in St. John's." The only change I made not supported by the source is removing the reference to the Commonwealth of Nations, which I would still maintain is anachronistic in the context of 1907.)
I would propose this wording, which preserves what actually is in the source even if I object to it while removing the unsupported promotion of the idea that Newfoundland, or any other dominion, was essentially a fully independent state with diplomatic and legal equality with the United Kingdom prior to the First World War: In 1907, Newfoundland acquired dominion status, or self-government, within the British Empire or British Commonwealth. [1] Government of Newfoundland was conducted mostly by a cabinet accountable solely to the legislature in St. John's, subject only to occasional interference from the Crown, as when the British government vetoed a trade agreement Newfoundland had negotiated with the United States.{{refname="mapleweb"/> Binabik80 ( talk) 19:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC) Binabik80 ( talk) 19:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for this correction ManfredHugh ( talk) 08:42, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
References
Quisiera optar por una propuesta de. Trabajo 2800:98:1012:B389:F943:231:DBA8:A74A ( talk) 20:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
I am moving this discussion here from Nikkimaria's talk page. @ Magnolia677: and @ Nikkimaria: I am curious what you feel is undue about all of the sentences which were removed. I am not in the business of edit warring; please leave HxFact's original edits intact while we discuss this so they stay open for more constructive changes while we discuss this. I am also happy to take a stab based on your comments. -- Utl jung ( talk) 14:47, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
Should Canada's worst airplane disaster (Arrow Air Flight 1285) be included in the history section?
Should Newfoundland's response to 9-11 be included in the history section? 136.36.180.215 ( talk) 20:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)