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Stupid name: new laender
first word english [new], second german [laender]- why not de:Neue Bundesländer or ??
ciao-- Ot 06:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was New Länder → New federal states of Germany — (or just New federal states): it's fully in English, returns a similar number of GHITS once you remove Wiki results, ( [7] [8]) it's used by der Spiegel [9], BBC [10], NYT [11] and by the German government [12] -- Nero the second ( talk) 11:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I just checked this article out from the talk page. I've never been to Germany so I don't know so much about it, but the article seems kind of one sided. Isn't there anything nice to say about former East Germany? Kitfoxxe ( talk) 12:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The states of Germany are called states (Länder), not federal states. The discussion on the article name some years ago apparently didn't really reach a conclusion, except some doubts over whether this article is justified at all, because "most English works just refer to the region as the "former East Germany" or "eastern Germany"" as one editor said. Urban XII ( talk) 13:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Not moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 00:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
New states of Germany → New federal states — which is the name the article had until yesterday. It's used by major media outlets such as it's used by der Spiegel [13], BBC [14], NYT [15] and by the German government [16].-- Nero the second ( talk) 06:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I oppose anything that includes the expression "federal state" which is not a correct term ( States of Germany) nor the most common term in English in this case (former East Germany probably is the most common term). I don't really care whether we call it Neue Länder, New states of Germany, Former East Germany or Eastern Germany. Urban XII ( talk) 17:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I oppose to call them "Former East Germany" or "Former East German states".
Oppose My Langenscheidt Muret-Sanders dictionary (the biggest in their range?) translates die neuen Bundesländer as "the newly-formed German states". So I propose we leave the title as it is or (since "of Germany" in this instance is something of a Wikipedia affectation) use the Langenscheidt translation - Newly-formed German states or the more succinct version of New German states. Both exclude "federal", but include "German". -- Bermicourt ( talk) 17:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
The current title is quite ok. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Loosmark ( talk) 18:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I see no reason for this section to be here, however perhaps It could be moved to the NDP party page. Also Calling them Neo-Nazi is purely ignorant. Considering that they do not directly denounce democracy and their few economic polices seem more third way then national socialistic. So it would be appropriate to call them nationalists or ultra-nationalists instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onthehook ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
It seems that some one edited it back to Neo-Nazi. Now I don't want to get into a edit war so if it is edited again I will make no attempt to fix it. However I would like to know why it was edited back to it's original stance. —Preceding
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Sorry, I'm no expert on German history, but this seems a very strange title. At first reading the title seems to me to imply that these states were not previously in Germany. But I'm not aware of any territory being transferred from Poland or Czechoslovakia (as it then would be) at or around the time of the reunification of Germany.
The article suggests that these states were previously in East Germany, which surely was always 'of Germany'. But the very first line describes them as 're-established states', which suggests that it not the state that is new. So what exactly does the new apply to?.
-- Starbois ( talk) 16:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
REUNIFICATION WITH AUSTRIA
Austria becoming the 17th state of Germany will be much easier. Income per head in Austria is similar to the Western Länder. Already 40% of Austrian Trade takes place with Germany. Both share the same currency (Euro) and thanks to Schengen there are no borders...So, Austria will become the 17th member state of "Deutscheland" in a short period of time.--
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This section is not correct and needs work: e.g. "About 1.7 million people have left the new federal states since the fall of the Berlin Wall, or 12% of the population. A disproportionately high number of them were women under 35." That is only half of the story: Almost 3 million people moved from East Germany to West Germany and about 1 million moved from West Germany to East Germany or returned after years. So the balance might be 1.7 million people. Because of those who are moving from West Germany to East Germany is a higher percentage of older citizen and men, it appears as a result that less younger women are left in East Germany.
"Around 300,000 homes have been demolished in recent years. In parts of eastern Germany, wolves and lynx have reappeared after many decades." Both facts are true, but there is no connection in between. The population of lynx is due to very strong affords in nature protection, reintroduction programmes and the establishment of National Parks. The return of wolves can be rather associated with the fact of a greater number of abandoned military training areas where they found a home.-- Zarbi1 ( talk) 09:58, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. It looks like there's appetite to move the page, but no agreement on what the new title should be. I suggest trying a new discussion for one of the other suggested titles. ( non-admin closure) Celia Homeford ( talk) 10:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
New states of Germany → New Länder – the original name of the artikle was right, Länder is the official name used by the government in english as well. also there is a difference between a state and a land, so calling it states is misleading Norschweden ( talk) 15:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 08:01, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
There are other reasons for not having a stated religion than atheism. For one thing, when the social pressure to attend church eases off due to changes in attitudes, and populations no longer have to be outwardly observant, they generally stop going to church in any significant numbers. Another factor often overlooked is the rise of the Welfare State: no longer reliant on churches to look after them when they are old or unwell, previously devout congregations tend to let their attendance lapse. Other (mostly invisible) social forces, such as people becoming interested in folk or "fringe" religions, or religions that are not formally organised, may make an impression on demographics of faith, without there being an easily recognised cause. Nuttyskin ( talk) 20:18, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
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Stupid name: new laender
first word english [new], second german [laender]- why not de:Neue Bundesländer or ??
ciao-- Ot 06:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was New Länder → New federal states of Germany — (or just New federal states): it's fully in English, returns a similar number of GHITS once you remove Wiki results, ( [7] [8]) it's used by der Spiegel [9], BBC [10], NYT [11] and by the German government [12] -- Nero the second ( talk) 11:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
I just checked this article out from the talk page. I've never been to Germany so I don't know so much about it, but the article seems kind of one sided. Isn't there anything nice to say about former East Germany? Kitfoxxe ( talk) 12:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The states of Germany are called states (Länder), not federal states. The discussion on the article name some years ago apparently didn't really reach a conclusion, except some doubts over whether this article is justified at all, because "most English works just refer to the region as the "former East Germany" or "eastern Germany"" as one editor said. Urban XII ( talk) 13:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Not moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 00:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
New states of Germany → New federal states — which is the name the article had until yesterday. It's used by major media outlets such as it's used by der Spiegel [13], BBC [14], NYT [15] and by the German government [16].-- Nero the second ( talk) 06:32, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I oppose anything that includes the expression "federal state" which is not a correct term ( States of Germany) nor the most common term in English in this case (former East Germany probably is the most common term). I don't really care whether we call it Neue Länder, New states of Germany, Former East Germany or Eastern Germany. Urban XII ( talk) 17:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I oppose to call them "Former East Germany" or "Former East German states".
Oppose My Langenscheidt Muret-Sanders dictionary (the biggest in their range?) translates die neuen Bundesländer as "the newly-formed German states". So I propose we leave the title as it is or (since "of Germany" in this instance is something of a Wikipedia affectation) use the Langenscheidt translation - Newly-formed German states or the more succinct version of New German states. Both exclude "federal", but include "German". -- Bermicourt ( talk) 17:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
The current title is quite ok. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Loosmark ( talk) 18:12, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I see no reason for this section to be here, however perhaps It could be moved to the NDP party page. Also Calling them Neo-Nazi is purely ignorant. Considering that they do not directly denounce democracy and their few economic polices seem more third way then national socialistic. So it would be appropriate to call them nationalists or ultra-nationalists instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onthehook ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
It seems that some one edited it back to Neo-Nazi. Now I don't want to get into a edit war so if it is edited again I will make no attempt to fix it. However I would like to know why it was edited back to it's original stance. —Preceding
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Sorry, I'm no expert on German history, but this seems a very strange title. At first reading the title seems to me to imply that these states were not previously in Germany. But I'm not aware of any territory being transferred from Poland or Czechoslovakia (as it then would be) at or around the time of the reunification of Germany.
The article suggests that these states were previously in East Germany, which surely was always 'of Germany'. But the very first line describes them as 're-established states', which suggests that it not the state that is new. So what exactly does the new apply to?.
-- Starbois ( talk) 16:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
REUNIFICATION WITH AUSTRIA
Austria becoming the 17th state of Germany will be much easier. Income per head in Austria is similar to the Western Länder. Already 40% of Austrian Trade takes place with Germany. Both share the same currency (Euro) and thanks to Schengen there are no borders...So, Austria will become the 17th member state of "Deutscheland" in a short period of time.--
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This section is not correct and needs work: e.g. "About 1.7 million people have left the new federal states since the fall of the Berlin Wall, or 12% of the population. A disproportionately high number of them were women under 35." That is only half of the story: Almost 3 million people moved from East Germany to West Germany and about 1 million moved from West Germany to East Germany or returned after years. So the balance might be 1.7 million people. Because of those who are moving from West Germany to East Germany is a higher percentage of older citizen and men, it appears as a result that less younger women are left in East Germany.
"Around 300,000 homes have been demolished in recent years. In parts of eastern Germany, wolves and lynx have reappeared after many decades." Both facts are true, but there is no connection in between. The population of lynx is due to very strong affords in nature protection, reintroduction programmes and the establishment of National Parks. The return of wolves can be rather associated with the fact of a greater number of abandoned military training areas where they found a home.-- Zarbi1 ( talk) 09:58, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. It looks like there's appetite to move the page, but no agreement on what the new title should be. I suggest trying a new discussion for one of the other suggested titles. ( non-admin closure) Celia Homeford ( talk) 10:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
New states of Germany → New Länder – the original name of the artikle was right, Länder is the official name used by the government in english as well. also there is a difference between a state and a land, so calling it states is misleading Norschweden ( talk) 15:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte ( work | talk) 08:01, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
There are other reasons for not having a stated religion than atheism. For one thing, when the social pressure to attend church eases off due to changes in attitudes, and populations no longer have to be outwardly observant, they generally stop going to church in any significant numbers. Another factor often overlooked is the rise of the Welfare State: no longer reliant on churches to look after them when they are old or unwell, previously devout congregations tend to let their attendance lapse. Other (mostly invisible) social forces, such as people becoming interested in folk or "fringe" religions, or religions that are not formally organised, may make an impression on demographics of faith, without there being an easily recognised cause. Nuttyskin ( talk) 20:18, 26 September 2021 (UTC)