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The result of the move request was: not moved. An interesting discussion, and the supporters have a more than reasonable argument, but WP:UCN is not the be-all and end-all and in this case the consensus is that consistency, one of out naming criterion, is of more importance. Whether the proposed title meets several of the other criteria has been debated, but I don't see that either 'side' has a more correct interpretation, merely subjective opinions. In cases where both interpretations of policy can arguably be called correct, the numbers on each side of the argument carries a lot more weight than usual and the opposers have a clear numerical majority. Jenks24 ( talk) 07:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
New Zealand national rugby union team →
All Blacks –
CRITERIA via
COMMONNAME and
NVoE. I think that consistency with other articles counts for less than the other criteria.
PBS (
talk) 15:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
So that the wording do not have to be repeated in different threads here are the AT Policy Criteria.
A good Wikipedia article title has the five following characteristics:
- Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.
- Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English.
- Precision – The title is sufficiently precise to unambiguously identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects.
- Conciseness – The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects.
- Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. Many of these patterns are listed (and linked) in the box of Topic-specific conventions on article titles.
-- PBS ( talk) 08:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the consistency argument, can people look to my comments replying to Gibson Flying V above? At the moment we have a convention for how we disambiguate national rugby union teams from articles about the country. For example we call the article Australia national rugby union team rather than Australia for obvious reasons. We don't have the disamgibuation problem here because the common name is All Blacks. So we're not actually changing this disambiguation convention at all. So the consistency argument doesn't stack up. -- Shudde talk 10:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Looking for help with this new artcle: New Zealand national team nomenclature based on the "All Blacks" Bogger ( talk) 14:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Right now, it states that Dan Carter has scored 1457 points and cites the All Blacks website. However when I edited this page to make it 1455, I also got my number from the All Blacks website. For some reason, there are two different pages that list two different statistics.
http://www.allblacks.com/Player/AllBlacks/529 http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=1031
I am new to tracking sports statistics on Wikipedia. How do you solve something like this?
There is an All Blacks game on right now, and he's already scored 12 points, so it isn't that important. This is more of a question on my part on how we source these kinds of stats. --- BSnapZ ( talk) 09:21, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
They are very clearly mostly of European ancestry, and Black is a term associated with those of African Ancestry. Take note that this group also performs the Haka, a traditionally Native New Zealander cultural aspect just another example of Cultural Appropriation. 2604:2000:8146:B700:1DE2:8E9E:5B6A:2662 ( talk) 15:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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There's an image of the AIG jersey on Commons. I'm guessing it wasn't included partially because it's not listed in the relevant categories, but since it's specifically mentioned in the section, I think it's worth including. Would someone without a COI mind adding it?-- FacultiesIntact ( talk) 23:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
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I'm interested in throwing this article into the pile of potential TFA reruns for this year and next, but I'm seeing a lot of unreferenced text. Anyone want to help clean this one up? If it helps, here's a list of dead or dubious links. - Dank ( push to talk) 23:28, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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The All Blacks have a history of nearly 105 years. Why are there 1200 odd words devoted to 10 years of this under Henry and Hansen and piece meal on the other 95? TheMightyAllBlacks ( talk) 21:22, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
The All Blacks jersey previously featured a steinlager sponsorship from 94-99 when the jersey was made by canterbury. The suggestion that AIG is the first jersey sponsor excluding the kit manufacturer is erroneous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0C:5BC0:40:1090:FC19:6F67:B1B0:CA2C ( talk) 12:49, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Jln115: has been changing Rhodesia in the records to Zimbabwe. My reasoning for retaining Rhodesia in there is for historical context as every time the All Blacks have played them, it has been as Rhodesia so it makes sense to use the latest iteration that they played. If zimbabwe ever play NZ, then we can update it but for now it should be retained for historical reference, similar to Arabian Gulf and East Africa. I am bringing the discussion here for wider input. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 05:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Rodney Baggins ( talk) 08:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
References
@ Ham105 I appreciate that you've added the clarification about the coaches nationalties, however I think it's better to have the flags to accompany that fact. Every other National Team page has flags, including France and South Africa, who have also only had head coaches from their respective countries. having the flags adds a visual element that makes it not only visually pleasing but also easier for readers to identify coaches nationalities easily and quickly. As an aside, if a coach of a different nationality is ever appointed, the flags from previous coaches would already be in place which cuts down the work to do to update the new-nationality coach! Let me know what you think, -- BDigs153 ( talk) 00:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I think this talk page needs a permanent section briefly explaining why this article is not called All Blacks. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 01:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
How are coach win rates calculated? I did a simple Games Won / Games Coached and the numbers seem to be out. Anonymous 124563295 ( talk) 11:06, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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>Request to edit and update the All Blacks info, up to 16 July 2022 AmarikSZN ( talk) 10:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Request to edit, Thanks AmarikSZN ( talk) 10:24, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I reviewed the article as part of the Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020/2004–2009 and I found the following problems. If these aren't addressed then the article will need a featured article review in due course.
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The result of the move request was: not moved. An interesting discussion, and the supporters have a more than reasonable argument, but WP:UCN is not the be-all and end-all and in this case the consensus is that consistency, one of out naming criterion, is of more importance. Whether the proposed title meets several of the other criteria has been debated, but I don't see that either 'side' has a more correct interpretation, merely subjective opinions. In cases where both interpretations of policy can arguably be called correct, the numbers on each side of the argument carries a lot more weight than usual and the opposers have a clear numerical majority. Jenks24 ( talk) 07:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
New Zealand national rugby union team →
All Blacks –
CRITERIA via
COMMONNAME and
NVoE. I think that consistency with other articles counts for less than the other criteria.
PBS (
talk) 15:41, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
So that the wording do not have to be repeated in different threads here are the AT Policy Criteria.
A good Wikipedia article title has the five following characteristics:
- Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.
- Naturalness – The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English.
- Precision – The title is sufficiently precise to unambiguously identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects.
- Conciseness – The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects.
- Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. Many of these patterns are listed (and linked) in the box of Topic-specific conventions on article titles.
-- PBS ( talk) 08:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the consistency argument, can people look to my comments replying to Gibson Flying V above? At the moment we have a convention for how we disambiguate national rugby union teams from articles about the country. For example we call the article Australia national rugby union team rather than Australia for obvious reasons. We don't have the disamgibuation problem here because the common name is All Blacks. So we're not actually changing this disambiguation convention at all. So the consistency argument doesn't stack up. -- Shudde talk 10:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Looking for help with this new artcle: New Zealand national team nomenclature based on the "All Blacks" Bogger ( talk) 14:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Right now, it states that Dan Carter has scored 1457 points and cites the All Blacks website. However when I edited this page to make it 1455, I also got my number from the All Blacks website. For some reason, there are two different pages that list two different statistics.
http://www.allblacks.com/Player/AllBlacks/529 http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/profile.asp?ABID=1031
I am new to tracking sports statistics on Wikipedia. How do you solve something like this?
There is an All Blacks game on right now, and he's already scored 12 points, so it isn't that important. This is more of a question on my part on how we source these kinds of stats. --- BSnapZ ( talk) 09:21, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
They are very clearly mostly of European ancestry, and Black is a term associated with those of African Ancestry. Take note that this group also performs the Haka, a traditionally Native New Zealander cultural aspect just another example of Cultural Appropriation. 2604:2000:8146:B700:1DE2:8E9E:5B6A:2662 ( talk) 15:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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There's an image of the AIG jersey on Commons. I'm guessing it wasn't included partially because it's not listed in the relevant categories, but since it's specifically mentioned in the section, I think it's worth including. Would someone without a COI mind adding it?-- FacultiesIntact ( talk) 23:01, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
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I'm interested in throwing this article into the pile of potential TFA reruns for this year and next, but I'm seeing a lot of unreferenced text. Anyone want to help clean this one up? If it helps, here's a list of dead or dubious links. - Dank ( push to talk) 23:28, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
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The All Blacks have a history of nearly 105 years. Why are there 1200 odd words devoted to 10 years of this under Henry and Hansen and piece meal on the other 95? TheMightyAllBlacks ( talk) 21:22, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
The All Blacks jersey previously featured a steinlager sponsorship from 94-99 when the jersey was made by canterbury. The suggestion that AIG is the first jersey sponsor excluding the kit manufacturer is erroneous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0C:5BC0:40:1090:FC19:6F67:B1B0:CA2C ( talk) 12:49, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Jln115: has been changing Rhodesia in the records to Zimbabwe. My reasoning for retaining Rhodesia in there is for historical context as every time the All Blacks have played them, it has been as Rhodesia so it makes sense to use the latest iteration that they played. If zimbabwe ever play NZ, then we can update it but for now it should be retained for historical reference, similar to Arabian Gulf and East Africa. I am bringing the discussion here for wider input. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 05:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Rodney Baggins ( talk) 08:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
References
@ Ham105 I appreciate that you've added the clarification about the coaches nationalties, however I think it's better to have the flags to accompany that fact. Every other National Team page has flags, including France and South Africa, who have also only had head coaches from their respective countries. having the flags adds a visual element that makes it not only visually pleasing but also easier for readers to identify coaches nationalities easily and quickly. As an aside, if a coach of a different nationality is ever appointed, the flags from previous coaches would already be in place which cuts down the work to do to update the new-nationality coach! Let me know what you think, -- BDigs153 ( talk) 00:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I think this talk page needs a permanent section briefly explaining why this article is not called All Blacks. - Cameron Dewe ( talk) 01:34, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
How are coach win rates calculated? I did a simple Games Won / Games Coached and the numbers seem to be out. Anonymous 124563295 ( talk) 11:06, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
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>Request to edit and update the All Blacks info, up to 16 July 2022 AmarikSZN ( talk) 10:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Request to edit, Thanks AmarikSZN ( talk) 10:24, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I reviewed the article as part of the Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020/2004–2009 and I found the following problems. If these aren't addressed then the article will need a featured article review in due course.
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