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The article states: "However, the Purification Rundown is also used by Narconon and practicing Scientologists toward removing drug residues from the body."
However Scientology material is clear on the "sole purpose" of the purification rundown:
"The Purification Rundown has as its sole purpose the handling of the restimulative effects of drugs and toxic residuals on a Spiritual Being. The Purification Rundown is a Spiritual activity based on and administered according to the doctrine and practices of the religion of Scientology as set forth in the writings of L. Ron Hubbard and adopted by the Church. No part of the Rundown is intended as the diagnosis, prescription for, or treatment of any bodily or physical condition or ill."
Source is HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE BULLETIN OF 21 MAY 1980.
So the firefighters were sold an intro into the "religion of Scientology" and not even a pretended (bogus) cure.
Mgormez 01:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
This is uncited. I know it to be not only untrue, invalid and false, but know the technology of the Purification Rundown and have (probably) all of its technology and have read (probably) all of it. "and from their body thetans." Plain wrong. Uncited. Untrue. However, rather than simply remove it I have placed it here for "discussion and citing" because that is Wikipedia policy. Terryeo 22:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC) I see the vilifying quote was placed by an anonomous user. Terryeo 22:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Presently states: "Downtown Medical is a controversial Scientology clinic on 139 Fulton Street in New York City," and the word "controversial" is, of course, uncited. Therefore it is untrue and original research on the part of an editor unless cited. WP:NOR is the applicable policy. Besides which, simply removing the single word would make the article more encyclopedic and less biased. If there is controversy, then that should be presented with its appropriate citations, deeper in the article. Terryeo 08:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, now we have a publication supporting the opening statement. However, the article does not present the information in a neutral sort of way. The article presents every jot of negative information from the article but does not present any other portion of the news article used for the opening statment. Where is the controversy? To have controversy there must be 2 sides to it. The news article states, Cruise, however, has defended the venture, claiming, "More than 500 individuals have recovered health and job fitness through this project." which would be the opposite side of the controversy and should likewise be presented in the article. Terryeo 18:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Good point. If there is a controversy it must have two sides. But then maybe it is the Scientology treatments that are controversial, not Downtown Medical itself. Steve Dufour 03:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
AP and Post Wire Services (April 19, 2007).
"Crui$ing for Cash".
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Staff (April 19, 2007).
"Cruise to detox NY". Sunday Times, Australia. {{
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Smith, Kyle (April 20, 2007).
"Don't Be Tricked By $ci-Fi Tom-Foolery".
New York Post. {{
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Seifman, David (April 20, 2).
"Crui$e is 'Detox' of De Town".
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Sanchez, Hazel (April 20, 2007).
"Cruise Thinks Scientology Can Save 9/11 Responders".
WCBS-TV.
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Staff (April 20, 2007).
"Tom Cruise holds fundraiser for Scientology 9/11 detox project".
WABC-TV.
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Friedman, Roger (April 19, 2007).
"Tom Cruise Fires Up Negative Feelings".
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These should be incorporated into the article. Smee 08:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC).
The New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Project stub article is about exactly the same topic, but lacks sources. I suggest that any unique information from that article be merged here and that article be replaced with a redirect. AndroidCat 04:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Bit that might need merging: It is endorsed by New York City Councilman Hiram Monserrate (D-Queens), who also sponsored a bill to honor Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard. AndroidCat 14:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I previously approved of calling this article Downtown Medical, but it appears that New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Project is the name for the project as a whole (including the Long Island operation) whereas "Downtown Medical" is one particular centre, located close to Ground Zero. The longer title is that used in the project's promotion (see web site under external links) and is more descriptive, therefore helpful to someone who doesn't already know what the article is about. I note Raymond Hill's (prior talk) observation that Downtown Medical is incorporated separately, but don't think that matters much to the article. MartinPoulter ( talk) 16:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 06:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Downtown Medical →
New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Project — As explained on Talk page, "Downtown Medical" is the name of just one clinic, while the article deals with the entire project.
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12:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Vegaswikian. MartinPoulter ( talk) 09:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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New video:
This video covers backstory of the NY detox project and its connections with Scientology. It ties in with the Danny Masterson 2023 criminal trial, showing 3 letters that had been sent to Masterson's criminal trial judge from personnel of NY Detox project from over 20 years ago. Includes an update on Jim Woodworth.
Is this project still operating in NY in 2023, or is it dead and gone? The wiki article reads like there are still 2 clinics operating in NY. Grorp ( talk) 04:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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The article states: "However, the Purification Rundown is also used by Narconon and practicing Scientologists toward removing drug residues from the body."
However Scientology material is clear on the "sole purpose" of the purification rundown:
"The Purification Rundown has as its sole purpose the handling of the restimulative effects of drugs and toxic residuals on a Spiritual Being. The Purification Rundown is a Spiritual activity based on and administered according to the doctrine and practices of the religion of Scientology as set forth in the writings of L. Ron Hubbard and adopted by the Church. No part of the Rundown is intended as the diagnosis, prescription for, or treatment of any bodily or physical condition or ill."
Source is HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE BULLETIN OF 21 MAY 1980.
So the firefighters were sold an intro into the "religion of Scientology" and not even a pretended (bogus) cure.
Mgormez 01:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
This is uncited. I know it to be not only untrue, invalid and false, but know the technology of the Purification Rundown and have (probably) all of its technology and have read (probably) all of it. "and from their body thetans." Plain wrong. Uncited. Untrue. However, rather than simply remove it I have placed it here for "discussion and citing" because that is Wikipedia policy. Terryeo 22:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC) I see the vilifying quote was placed by an anonomous user. Terryeo 22:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Presently states: "Downtown Medical is a controversial Scientology clinic on 139 Fulton Street in New York City," and the word "controversial" is, of course, uncited. Therefore it is untrue and original research on the part of an editor unless cited. WP:NOR is the applicable policy. Besides which, simply removing the single word would make the article more encyclopedic and less biased. If there is controversy, then that should be presented with its appropriate citations, deeper in the article. Terryeo 08:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, now we have a publication supporting the opening statement. However, the article does not present the information in a neutral sort of way. The article presents every jot of negative information from the article but does not present any other portion of the news article used for the opening statment. Where is the controversy? To have controversy there must be 2 sides to it. The news article states, Cruise, however, has defended the venture, claiming, "More than 500 individuals have recovered health and job fitness through this project." which would be the opposite side of the controversy and should likewise be presented in the article. Terryeo 18:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Good point. If there is a controversy it must have two sides. But then maybe it is the Scientology treatments that are controversial, not Downtown Medical itself. Steve Dufour 03:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
AP and Post Wire Services (April 19, 2007).
"Crui$ing for Cash".
New York Post. {{
cite news}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
Staff (April 19, 2007).
"Cruise to detox NY". Sunday Times, Australia. {{
cite news}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
Smith, Kyle (April 20, 2007).
"Don't Be Tricked By $ci-Fi Tom-Foolery".
New York Post. {{
cite news}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
Seifman, David (April 20, 2).
"Crui$e is 'Detox' of De Town".
New York Post. {{
cite news}}
: Check date values in: |date=
(
help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
Sanchez, Hazel (April 20, 2007).
"Cruise Thinks Scientology Can Save 9/11 Responders".
WCBS-TV.
CBS. {{
cite news}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
Staff (April 20, 2007).
"Tom Cruise holds fundraiser for Scientology 9/11 detox project".
WABC-TV.
ABC. {{
cite news}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
Friedman, Roger (April 19, 2007).
"Tom Cruise Fires Up Negative Feelings".
FOX News.
FOX. {{
cite news}}
: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help)
These should be incorporated into the article. Smee 08:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC).
The New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Project stub article is about exactly the same topic, but lacks sources. I suggest that any unique information from that article be merged here and that article be replaced with a redirect. AndroidCat 04:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Bit that might need merging: It is endorsed by New York City Councilman Hiram Monserrate (D-Queens), who also sponsored a bill to honor Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard. AndroidCat 14:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I previously approved of calling this article Downtown Medical, but it appears that New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Project is the name for the project as a whole (including the Long Island operation) whereas "Downtown Medical" is one particular centre, located close to Ground Zero. The longer title is that used in the project's promotion (see web site under external links) and is more descriptive, therefore helpful to someone who doesn't already know what the article is about. I note Raymond Hill's (prior talk) observation that Downtown Medical is incorporated separately, but don't think that matters much to the article. MartinPoulter ( talk) 16:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 06:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Downtown Medical →
New York Rescue Workers Detoxification Project — As explained on Talk page, "Downtown Medical" is the name of just one clinic, while the article deals with the entire project.
MartinPoulter (
talk)
12:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Vegaswikian. MartinPoulter ( talk) 09:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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Is this project still operating in NY in 2023, or is it dead and gone? The wiki article reads like there are still 2 clinics operating in NY. Grorp ( talk) 04:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)