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The article assumes, without sourcing, that New York Air was started non-union because of "Texas Air and Lorenzo' poor attitude towards labor unions..." That is simply not true. As a new airline, a new company separate from Texas International Airlines, NYA was non-union because the choice to unionize is the choice of employees, not management. Through a well-defined process, employees decide whether they want to be represented by a union; management don't make those decisions. Thus, NYA began as a non-union company just like all other new companies. Did it anger the unions, both national unions and those at Texas International? Yes. And, it probably was really the beginning of labor issues at Texas Air companies. But, it wasn't some "poor attitude" that made New York Air non-union. it was the law. Texasfeller ( talk) 17:47, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

This is Wikipedia:OR. That is the issue with it. BTW, management can also make it very difficult for workers to unionize in various ways. It is true and well documented that Lorenzo was not a fan of unions. Lard Almighty ( talk) 18:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

The main issue I had was with the premise for non-union. Whether Lorenzo liked unions was irrelevant to the legal facts. There really was not significant animus prior to the founding of NYA. And, whether companies will contest unionization is also irrelevant because no employee group at NYA ever pursued unionization. By the way, there was no union protest at People Express when it began as non-union and it was also founded by execs from Texas International. Texasfeller ( talk) 20:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply