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New Romantic was a youth cult and fashion in the early 1980s nothing to do with musical style so why are we using a music genre infobox? 86.132.45.105 ( talk) 23:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
It seems that the anti-war feeling helped New Romanticism to grow, it didn't cause it. Please fix my wording if it's implying that -- Enric Naval ( talk) 23:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
It replaced Punk rock as a musical trend, promoting a feminity reserved to males [1] and providing scapism from the harsh reality of those times. [2] Its apparition and growth were favoured by the societal changes caused by the hard-line politics of Margaret Thatcher, the young men reacted saying "Let's just go party and get dressed up instead" [2] Andy McCluskey, a former member of the group Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark says that New Romanticism was not a new marketeable phenomen but a "genuine outburst" against the belief that greed was good, which was prevalent at that time, and was being promoted by Tatcher. [2] This mood was worsened by the opposition to the Falklands War, the trade union crushing and closure of pits, which caused an increase on unemployement and the death of hope. [2] Helen Reddington theorizes that the start of the Falklands War, which ended the peacetime, returned militarism as a mean to dispers surplus male energy. [1]
As it has been removed once already by another editor, Unless a consenus is generated on this talk page to keep it, it remains off. Archivey ( talk) 23:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
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In a word...no. No-one called Bow Wow Wow New Romantics at the time...They didn't even use synths. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 11:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The New Romantics, (or perhaps New Romantic) are / were a band from the 80s. I'm surprised they have been overlooked, but obviously people get the genre and the group confused. The article on Ultravox, refers to both, and the author understands the distinction.
I'm unfamiliar with wikipedia, so someone else might like to correct the entry to reflect, New romanticism and the New Romantics.
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TO the anonymous editor who seems to have an issue with mentioning the Human League, ABC and Heaven 17 in the article, I suggest they have a read of our policy on neutral point of view. A wide variety of sources identify the bands with the movement, regardless of whether individuals feel they were part of the movement. To reflect the state of affairs, I've summarised Rimmer, who makes both the point that the bands are seen as part of the movement but that they were not considered a part of it at the time. I'm happy to discuss this issue, but sourced, verifiable information which informs the reader, takes a neutral view and is relevant should not be removed. Thanks, Hiding T 08:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll now look for books. Hiding T 12:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm requesting comment on how best to summarise the fact that some bands are considered New Romantic by some sources, but are not considered New Romantic by others. I'm edit warring with an anonymous editor who refuses to engage on the talk page, so I need wider input to work out the best way forwards. My preferred approach is probably this version, which is sourced to Rimmer's New Romantics: The Look, the major work on the movement. Appreciate thoughts. Hiding T 09:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Why are we discussing bands that may or may not have been 'New Romantic' ? An article is a place for undesputed facts not hypothasis on either side. If the subject matter cannot be decided on it probably shouldn't be in an encyclopedia in the first place. 94.116.120.214 ( talk) 08:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
You will get bored before we do, libel will not be allowed to stand. You've been told they are not new romantics so get them off this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.116.155.162 ( talk) 11:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't even say Japan were 'an obvious New Romantic band'. The list of such bands is very small because the term was only current in 1980 and 1981. By 1982 it was redundant.. which rules out Culture Club (who weren't synth based either, another prerequisite for any New Romantic combo). Wearing outlandish pseudo-historical costume and playing electronic dance pop during 1980-81 was the defining characteristic. Spandau Ballet, Visage, Duran Duran, Adam & the Ants and that's about it. Certainly not the Human League, Heaven 17, Culture Club, Depeche Mode, ABC, Japan, or even Ultravox, none of which would have embraced the term - quite the opposite in fact. Many of the latter more electronic bands were labelled 'futurist' at the time ... which was not synonymous with 'New Romantic' Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 11:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Is the consensus at the minute to then leave the article as is? If so, can we all agree to take the npov tag off? Hiding T 09:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
In the quote by Dave Rimmer at the end of the 'music' section, a 'sic' is included. I'm not quite sure why; the grammar seems correct, and 'hubristic' IS a word.... 24.225.109.97 ( talk) 04:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
The first paragraph attributes the origins of the term New Romantics by taking liberties with an interview cited in the Independent in 1994, which was itself a secondhand recycling from the 1980s.
This Wikipedia item asserts: "The term New Romantic was coined by Richard James Burgess in an interview with reference to Spandau Ballet.[1]"
That footnote takes you directly to the Independent archive where the relevant sentences read: "Did he [Adam Ant] feel as though he was part of a new musical movement? 'I think that the term New Romantic was really something the media made up. It was first quoted by Richard James Burgess, I think, and he was referring to Spandau Ballet who were really the New Romantic band, not Adam and the Ants. Our influences ranged from the Sex Pistols to Roxy Music and David Bowie - we were like the glam end of punk.'
First Adam "thinks" Burgess was the first to use it - ie, this is the hearsay of a popstar. Second, Adam *dissociates* himself from the NRs in the rest of this quote. Adam's genre was always glam-rock.
Yet the Wiki item ignores these two pieces of evidence, and insists that his band were part of the NR movement - not - and that Burgess *coined* the phrase - not. He may well have used it, as did many other people during 1980-81. Cognoscenti have long attributed the term to Perry Haines, first editor of i-D magazine. Writer Betty Page attributes its first use in print to Alan Lewis, editor of Sounds.
So with two profound errors of fact in the intro, why should we trust anything else in this item?( 217.155.200.241 ( talk) 02:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)).
Most of the discussion on this page is laughably ignorant since most of your points of reference are drawn from the past decade. The New Romantics lived and breathed 30 years ago.
For a start your header on this Wiki item is expressed as an -ism. I was there shoulder-to-shoulder in their ranks and never heard anybody at the time use the phrase "New Romanticism". These were people up for a fun time, not philosophers.
You are misguided if you believe Rimmer's New Romantics: The Look to be "the major work on the movement". The only book, yes. Published in 2003, a bit late in the day. Its commercial publisher made a colourful coffee-table book out of a cuttings job. Like so many music historians, plundering other people's texts after the event, he doesn't really "get it".
Of course Adam wasn't a Romantic. Nor were Bow Wow Wow. And the Romantics had all moved on by '83. You've only got to check the pop charts of that era. Despite its American perspective, AllMusic has been for 20 years the most reliable of all the music encyclopedias (mostly flaky), and pretty much assigns the right genres to the British bands of the day, so why don't some of your contributors actually check their facts and dates there, or even to contemporary sources?
Having said this, the first plausible account of the NRs was published only this year in a newspaper in the UK. I'm not surprised "Vauxhall1964" has closed his account. His name reveals him to be probably the only Brit trying to set this record straight, and seemingly losing the battle. "Laestrygonian3" talks good sense and he's retired too, though even he seems unaware of a concession by ABC's Martin Fry, that although not strictly Romantics, they did accept themselves as “a product of the times”. Artistes like to polish their histories after the event, but at the time frankly everyone wanted a No 1 hit. "Michig" talks sense too but should concede that several bands enjoyed riding the Romantics bandwaggon.
The continuing shortcoming of the Wikipedia method is that it disallows the lived experience of eye witnesses as "reliable" source material. Extraordinary. ( 217.155.200.241 ( talk) 04:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)).
I deleted this band from the list in the opening paragraph that has Rimmer's book as a reference. This book does not credit that band as being New Romantics. In fact they get one name check at the end of the book in a list of 80s mostly synth pop acts that came after the New Romantics. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 20:37, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some attempt to describe the style/fashion being talked about? This article is mainly a listing of bands associated with the "movement". -- Dwchin ( talk) 23:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Do any other editors think that this article reads more like an essay than an article in an encyclopedia? Especially in the Music section, assertions and claims, while they might be true, do not seem to be backed up with verifiable information from reliable sources. Shearonink ( talk) 03:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I think some of the sourcing/references should be improved if possible. Refs #3 & #4 are to blogs written by nick-named bloggers/unknown persons. Refs #5a & 5b are to the highbeam version of a book review of "Blitzed!" (by Steve Strange). The information should perhaps come from the actual book, not from a review. Cheers, Shearonink ( talk) 13:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
+ Nobody in their right mind would trust Steve Strange's memoir of his fantasies, which is noticably short on checkable facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.200.241 ( talk) 00:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Recent good faith changes to the article have increased some of its problems. It now contains a large amount of appropriately sourced statements that appear to be original research. It fails to follow the WP:MOS in a number of areas, particularly the use of statements, of which the one at the end of the penultimate sub-section is a good example, which are not in an encyclopedic style. Before adding more text please consider that claims that have no reliable sources may be deleted from an article and that an encyclopedic tone and neutral tone needs to maintained throughout an article.-- SabreBD ( talk) 20:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Given recent additions I also have to point out WP:W2W.-- SabreBD ( talk) 08:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Since New Romanticism was a very visually-oriented phenomenon in pop music, I believe it is very important that this article feature images of the key figures and bands associated with it. All images have appropriate licensing tags. Cities of the Plain ( talk) 19:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
The pic of Midge Ure from 1984 is not indicative of the New Romantic movement (for a picture to be included in any wiki article it has to directly illustrate the topic). In fact, it could be argued that Ure never exemplified it anyway since he didn't wear make-up or any of the ostentatious clothing associated with the New Romantic scene. He is often associated with New Romanticism purely because of his involvement with Visage and (erroneously) because Ultravox made synthpop. "New Romantic" was not a style of music, it was a look that certain musicians adopted. 88.104.30.215 ( talk) 12:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
There are a few of non-free photos here. Maybe one could be included. -- Trevj ( talk) 14:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure here, but that people may be mistaken. I grew up more so in the 1980's, rather than the 70's, yet am familiar with David Bowie's work in the early part of the latter decade, and if this is to be associated with Romanticism, it must only be in an oblique sense. Yes, David picked up New Romanticism during his great pop success circa 1982 - 1984, but from what I know of the man, and comments he or his associates have made, I think it might rather be a more accurate comment that he was *influenced by* New Romanticism, rather than being one of the principle and seminal leaders. His work came at the height of this era, and so did, however, in a sense solidify New Romanticism as an accepted artistic, and cultural expression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John G. Lewis ( talk • contribs) 18:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
ABC were not New Romantics. They never dressed as New Romantics, never wore make-up, and Martin Fry has always stated that they were never New Romantics. In this interview [1] he states this quite clearly. The term "New Romantic" was often misused by the press to tag any early 80s band that used synthesizers (a problem that is even more apparent now), but this is not what the term means. Unless a band actually clearly self-identifies as New Romantics, we shouldn't be including them in this article as we are just propagating this misconception. 88.104.22.253 ( talk) 02:42, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
I watched this show on the iPlayer last night and came to this page to see if they were included. I didn't think of ABC as being New Romantic (only really knowing the band from Alphabet City onwards) but I can see why people would include them. Fry seems happy to be included with the New Romantics scene, not only presenting The Look of Love: The Story of the New Romantics for BBC Radio [1] [2] but also turning up in this BBC music documentary The New Romantics: A Fine Romance in 2001. However, rather than being a first wave new romantic act, he has ABC down as a kind of post-romantic 'romantic' act (in the same way that there are Post-Britpop and Britpop acts, but most just lumped together under the latter genre if they are from the 1990s). Also the introduction to the main page at https://www.abcmartinfry.com states...
"ABC led by charismatic singer Martin Fry formed in Sheffield in the 1980’s . They wanted to fuse the world of disco funk with their own unique new romantic, post punk vision. ABC’s debut ‘The Lexicon Of Love’ went to No 1 and sold over a million records. To date, ABC have released nine studio albums: ‘The Lexicon Of Love’ (1982), ‘Beauty Stab’ (1983), ‘How To Be A Zillionaire’ (1985), ‘Alphabet City’ (1987), ‘Up’ (1989), ‘Abracadabra’ (1991), ‘Skyscraping’ (1997) , ‘Traffic’ (2008) and ‘The Lexicon of Love II’ (2016).
“ABC’s Martin Fry is a revelation, a soul man supreme, belting out pristine Vegas glitter pop and uptown House in his electric blue lounge suit. An ageless performer, Fry is the missing link between Bryan Ferry and Jarvis Cocker. For the inevitable encore of ‘The Look of Love’ he returns dipped in sparkly gold lame. ” Stephen Dalton NME" [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.173.37 ( talk) 16:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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I think this is overdue a reconsideration of its rating. It seems to me to be well beyond a start class article – I'd say closer to a C or B as it is comprehensive and has multiple reliable sources. Any opinions? Libby norman ( talk) 13:45, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
This band was not New Romantics. Abc and A flock of seagulls made more sense being called New Romantics and I have read both bands being New Romantics but definatly not Echo and the Bunnymen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.114.63.4 ( talk) 04:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps this question was already asked by someone else in this page, I don't know. Anyway, since 1990 or so I'm working on what I call the Color Cycle (based on J.W.Goethe's Color-Circle) in which there are several color-axes such as the naughty Green-Magenta axis (totally different from the honest Blue-Orange axis). In this naughty axis it's all about decadence (the most typical example in this axis is the "emcee" in the movie Cabaret: Willkommen, Bienvenue, Welcome). New Romantics and New Wave are also typical examples of this Green-Magenta axis, and Carnival of Venice too (also Victorian puppets). It would be interesting to create a special Wikipedia page for the Color Cycle, but... I'm afraid it would be seen as not very reliable and not very valuable information by many, or...? DannyJ.Caes ( talk) 12:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
In a way similar to "STOP CRYING YOUR HEART OUT" being credited to BBC CHILDREN IN NEED this week [1] (and not by Anoushka Shankar, Ava Max, BBC Concert Orchestra, Bryan Adams, Cher, Clean Bandit, Ella Eyre, Grace Chatto, Gregory Porter, Izzy Bizu, Jack Savoretti, James Morrison, Jamie Cullum, Jay Sean, Jess Glynne, KSI, Kylie Minogue, Lauv, Lenny Kravitz, Mel C, Nile Rodgers, Paloma Faith, Rebecca Ferguson, Robbie Williams, Sheku Kanneh-Mason & Yola), "The Fever Pitch EP [2] [3]" is being credited by the OCC to Various Artsts and not Pretenders/The La's/Orlando/Nick Hornby as it was in the old British Hit Singles & Albums books...though I cannot tell you if this goes for both the Virgin Books as well as Guinness Books as I will have to find them. If you have these books to hand, please add the reference point to the sources halfway through this bit about Romo...
"None of the Romo acts made the British top 75 in their own right, [4] though Orlando charted at Number 65 with "How Can We Hang on to a Dream" as part of "Fever Pitch The EP" [5], when they were originally credited alongside Pretenders and The La's (like " Thank ABBA for the Music" [6], the Official Charts Company currently puts this hit under 'Various Artists', but keeps the 2 Tone EP [7] [8] under four different artist's discographies). After an unsuccessful Melody Maker-organised tour, most of the bands soon broke up. [9]"
Thank you...
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New Romantic was a youth cult and fashion in the early 1980s nothing to do with musical style so why are we using a music genre infobox? 86.132.45.105 ( talk) 23:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
It seems that the anti-war feeling helped New Romanticism to grow, it didn't cause it. Please fix my wording if it's implying that -- Enric Naval ( talk) 23:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
It replaced Punk rock as a musical trend, promoting a feminity reserved to males [1] and providing scapism from the harsh reality of those times. [2] Its apparition and growth were favoured by the societal changes caused by the hard-line politics of Margaret Thatcher, the young men reacted saying "Let's just go party and get dressed up instead" [2] Andy McCluskey, a former member of the group Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark says that New Romanticism was not a new marketeable phenomen but a "genuine outburst" against the belief that greed was good, which was prevalent at that time, and was being promoted by Tatcher. [2] This mood was worsened by the opposition to the Falklands War, the trade union crushing and closure of pits, which caused an increase on unemployement and the death of hope. [2] Helen Reddington theorizes that the start of the Falklands War, which ended the peacetime, returned militarism as a mean to dispers surplus male energy. [1]
As it has been removed once already by another editor, Unless a consenus is generated on this talk page to keep it, it remains off. Archivey ( talk) 23:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
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In a word...no. No-one called Bow Wow Wow New Romantics at the time...They didn't even use synths. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 11:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
The New Romantics, (or perhaps New Romantic) are / were a band from the 80s. I'm surprised they have been overlooked, but obviously people get the genre and the group confused. The article on Ultravox, refers to both, and the author understands the distinction.
I'm unfamiliar with wikipedia, so someone else might like to correct the entry to reflect, New romanticism and the New Romantics.
203.214.102.237 (
talk)
21:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
TO the anonymous editor who seems to have an issue with mentioning the Human League, ABC and Heaven 17 in the article, I suggest they have a read of our policy on neutral point of view. A wide variety of sources identify the bands with the movement, regardless of whether individuals feel they were part of the movement. To reflect the state of affairs, I've summarised Rimmer, who makes both the point that the bands are seen as part of the movement but that they were not considered a part of it at the time. I'm happy to discuss this issue, but sourced, verifiable information which informs the reader, takes a neutral view and is relevant should not be removed. Thanks, Hiding T 08:35, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll now look for books. Hiding T 12:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm requesting comment on how best to summarise the fact that some bands are considered New Romantic by some sources, but are not considered New Romantic by others. I'm edit warring with an anonymous editor who refuses to engage on the talk page, so I need wider input to work out the best way forwards. My preferred approach is probably this version, which is sourced to Rimmer's New Romantics: The Look, the major work on the movement. Appreciate thoughts. Hiding T 09:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Why are we discussing bands that may or may not have been 'New Romantic' ? An article is a place for undesputed facts not hypothasis on either side. If the subject matter cannot be decided on it probably shouldn't be in an encyclopedia in the first place. 94.116.120.214 ( talk) 08:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
You will get bored before we do, libel will not be allowed to stand. You've been told they are not new romantics so get them off this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.116.155.162 ( talk) 11:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't even say Japan were 'an obvious New Romantic band'. The list of such bands is very small because the term was only current in 1980 and 1981. By 1982 it was redundant.. which rules out Culture Club (who weren't synth based either, another prerequisite for any New Romantic combo). Wearing outlandish pseudo-historical costume and playing electronic dance pop during 1980-81 was the defining characteristic. Spandau Ballet, Visage, Duran Duran, Adam & the Ants and that's about it. Certainly not the Human League, Heaven 17, Culture Club, Depeche Mode, ABC, Japan, or even Ultravox, none of which would have embraced the term - quite the opposite in fact. Many of the latter more electronic bands were labelled 'futurist' at the time ... which was not synonymous with 'New Romantic' Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 11:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Is the consensus at the minute to then leave the article as is? If so, can we all agree to take the npov tag off? Hiding T 09:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
In the quote by Dave Rimmer at the end of the 'music' section, a 'sic' is included. I'm not quite sure why; the grammar seems correct, and 'hubristic' IS a word.... 24.225.109.97 ( talk) 04:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
The first paragraph attributes the origins of the term New Romantics by taking liberties with an interview cited in the Independent in 1994, which was itself a secondhand recycling from the 1980s.
This Wikipedia item asserts: "The term New Romantic was coined by Richard James Burgess in an interview with reference to Spandau Ballet.[1]"
That footnote takes you directly to the Independent archive where the relevant sentences read: "Did he [Adam Ant] feel as though he was part of a new musical movement? 'I think that the term New Romantic was really something the media made up. It was first quoted by Richard James Burgess, I think, and he was referring to Spandau Ballet who were really the New Romantic band, not Adam and the Ants. Our influences ranged from the Sex Pistols to Roxy Music and David Bowie - we were like the glam end of punk.'
First Adam "thinks" Burgess was the first to use it - ie, this is the hearsay of a popstar. Second, Adam *dissociates* himself from the NRs in the rest of this quote. Adam's genre was always glam-rock.
Yet the Wiki item ignores these two pieces of evidence, and insists that his band were part of the NR movement - not - and that Burgess *coined* the phrase - not. He may well have used it, as did many other people during 1980-81. Cognoscenti have long attributed the term to Perry Haines, first editor of i-D magazine. Writer Betty Page attributes its first use in print to Alan Lewis, editor of Sounds.
So with two profound errors of fact in the intro, why should we trust anything else in this item?( 217.155.200.241 ( talk) 02:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)).
Most of the discussion on this page is laughably ignorant since most of your points of reference are drawn from the past decade. The New Romantics lived and breathed 30 years ago.
For a start your header on this Wiki item is expressed as an -ism. I was there shoulder-to-shoulder in their ranks and never heard anybody at the time use the phrase "New Romanticism". These were people up for a fun time, not philosophers.
You are misguided if you believe Rimmer's New Romantics: The Look to be "the major work on the movement". The only book, yes. Published in 2003, a bit late in the day. Its commercial publisher made a colourful coffee-table book out of a cuttings job. Like so many music historians, plundering other people's texts after the event, he doesn't really "get it".
Of course Adam wasn't a Romantic. Nor were Bow Wow Wow. And the Romantics had all moved on by '83. You've only got to check the pop charts of that era. Despite its American perspective, AllMusic has been for 20 years the most reliable of all the music encyclopedias (mostly flaky), and pretty much assigns the right genres to the British bands of the day, so why don't some of your contributors actually check their facts and dates there, or even to contemporary sources?
Having said this, the first plausible account of the NRs was published only this year in a newspaper in the UK. I'm not surprised "Vauxhall1964" has closed his account. His name reveals him to be probably the only Brit trying to set this record straight, and seemingly losing the battle. "Laestrygonian3" talks good sense and he's retired too, though even he seems unaware of a concession by ABC's Martin Fry, that although not strictly Romantics, they did accept themselves as “a product of the times”. Artistes like to polish their histories after the event, but at the time frankly everyone wanted a No 1 hit. "Michig" talks sense too but should concede that several bands enjoyed riding the Romantics bandwaggon.
The continuing shortcoming of the Wikipedia method is that it disallows the lived experience of eye witnesses as "reliable" source material. Extraordinary. ( 217.155.200.241 ( talk) 04:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)).
I deleted this band from the list in the opening paragraph that has Rimmer's book as a reference. This book does not credit that band as being New Romantics. In fact they get one name check at the end of the book in a list of 80s mostly synth pop acts that came after the New Romantics. Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 20:37, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be some attempt to describe the style/fashion being talked about? This article is mainly a listing of bands associated with the "movement". -- Dwchin ( talk) 23:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Do any other editors think that this article reads more like an essay than an article in an encyclopedia? Especially in the Music section, assertions and claims, while they might be true, do not seem to be backed up with verifiable information from reliable sources. Shearonink ( talk) 03:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I think some of the sourcing/references should be improved if possible. Refs #3 & #4 are to blogs written by nick-named bloggers/unknown persons. Refs #5a & 5b are to the highbeam version of a book review of "Blitzed!" (by Steve Strange). The information should perhaps come from the actual book, not from a review. Cheers, Shearonink ( talk) 13:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
+ Nobody in their right mind would trust Steve Strange's memoir of his fantasies, which is noticably short on checkable facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.200.241 ( talk) 00:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Recent good faith changes to the article have increased some of its problems. It now contains a large amount of appropriately sourced statements that appear to be original research. It fails to follow the WP:MOS in a number of areas, particularly the use of statements, of which the one at the end of the penultimate sub-section is a good example, which are not in an encyclopedic style. Before adding more text please consider that claims that have no reliable sources may be deleted from an article and that an encyclopedic tone and neutral tone needs to maintained throughout an article.-- SabreBD ( talk) 20:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Given recent additions I also have to point out WP:W2W.-- SabreBD ( talk) 08:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Since New Romanticism was a very visually-oriented phenomenon in pop music, I believe it is very important that this article feature images of the key figures and bands associated with it. All images have appropriate licensing tags. Cities of the Plain ( talk) 19:54, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
The pic of Midge Ure from 1984 is not indicative of the New Romantic movement (for a picture to be included in any wiki article it has to directly illustrate the topic). In fact, it could be argued that Ure never exemplified it anyway since he didn't wear make-up or any of the ostentatious clothing associated with the New Romantic scene. He is often associated with New Romanticism purely because of his involvement with Visage and (erroneously) because Ultravox made synthpop. "New Romantic" was not a style of music, it was a look that certain musicians adopted. 88.104.30.215 ( talk) 12:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
There are a few of non-free photos here. Maybe one could be included. -- Trevj ( talk) 14:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
I am not sure here, but that people may be mistaken. I grew up more so in the 1980's, rather than the 70's, yet am familiar with David Bowie's work in the early part of the latter decade, and if this is to be associated with Romanticism, it must only be in an oblique sense. Yes, David picked up New Romanticism during his great pop success circa 1982 - 1984, but from what I know of the man, and comments he or his associates have made, I think it might rather be a more accurate comment that he was *influenced by* New Romanticism, rather than being one of the principle and seminal leaders. His work came at the height of this era, and so did, however, in a sense solidify New Romanticism as an accepted artistic, and cultural expression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John G. Lewis ( talk • contribs) 18:27, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
ABC were not New Romantics. They never dressed as New Romantics, never wore make-up, and Martin Fry has always stated that they were never New Romantics. In this interview [1] he states this quite clearly. The term "New Romantic" was often misused by the press to tag any early 80s band that used synthesizers (a problem that is even more apparent now), but this is not what the term means. Unless a band actually clearly self-identifies as New Romantics, we shouldn't be including them in this article as we are just propagating this misconception. 88.104.22.253 ( talk) 02:42, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
I watched this show on the iPlayer last night and came to this page to see if they were included. I didn't think of ABC as being New Romantic (only really knowing the band from Alphabet City onwards) but I can see why people would include them. Fry seems happy to be included with the New Romantics scene, not only presenting The Look of Love: The Story of the New Romantics for BBC Radio [1] [2] but also turning up in this BBC music documentary The New Romantics: A Fine Romance in 2001. However, rather than being a first wave new romantic act, he has ABC down as a kind of post-romantic 'romantic' act (in the same way that there are Post-Britpop and Britpop acts, but most just lumped together under the latter genre if they are from the 1990s). Also the introduction to the main page at https://www.abcmartinfry.com states...
"ABC led by charismatic singer Martin Fry formed in Sheffield in the 1980’s . They wanted to fuse the world of disco funk with their own unique new romantic, post punk vision. ABC’s debut ‘The Lexicon Of Love’ went to No 1 and sold over a million records. To date, ABC have released nine studio albums: ‘The Lexicon Of Love’ (1982), ‘Beauty Stab’ (1983), ‘How To Be A Zillionaire’ (1985), ‘Alphabet City’ (1987), ‘Up’ (1989), ‘Abracadabra’ (1991), ‘Skyscraping’ (1997) , ‘Traffic’ (2008) and ‘The Lexicon of Love II’ (2016).
“ABC’s Martin Fry is a revelation, a soul man supreme, belting out pristine Vegas glitter pop and uptown House in his electric blue lounge suit. An ageless performer, Fry is the missing link between Bryan Ferry and Jarvis Cocker. For the inevitable encore of ‘The Look of Love’ he returns dipped in sparkly gold lame. ” Stephen Dalton NME" [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.173.37 ( talk) 16:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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I think this is overdue a reconsideration of its rating. It seems to me to be well beyond a start class article – I'd say closer to a C or B as it is comprehensive and has multiple reliable sources. Any opinions? Libby norman ( talk) 13:45, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
This band was not New Romantics. Abc and A flock of seagulls made more sense being called New Romantics and I have read both bands being New Romantics but definatly not Echo and the Bunnymen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.114.63.4 ( talk) 04:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps this question was already asked by someone else in this page, I don't know. Anyway, since 1990 or so I'm working on what I call the Color Cycle (based on J.W.Goethe's Color-Circle) in which there are several color-axes such as the naughty Green-Magenta axis (totally different from the honest Blue-Orange axis). In this naughty axis it's all about decadence (the most typical example in this axis is the "emcee" in the movie Cabaret: Willkommen, Bienvenue, Welcome). New Romantics and New Wave are also typical examples of this Green-Magenta axis, and Carnival of Venice too (also Victorian puppets). It would be interesting to create a special Wikipedia page for the Color Cycle, but... I'm afraid it would be seen as not very reliable and not very valuable information by many, or...? DannyJ.Caes ( talk) 12:57, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
In a way similar to "STOP CRYING YOUR HEART OUT" being credited to BBC CHILDREN IN NEED this week [1] (and not by Anoushka Shankar, Ava Max, BBC Concert Orchestra, Bryan Adams, Cher, Clean Bandit, Ella Eyre, Grace Chatto, Gregory Porter, Izzy Bizu, Jack Savoretti, James Morrison, Jamie Cullum, Jay Sean, Jess Glynne, KSI, Kylie Minogue, Lauv, Lenny Kravitz, Mel C, Nile Rodgers, Paloma Faith, Rebecca Ferguson, Robbie Williams, Sheku Kanneh-Mason & Yola), "The Fever Pitch EP [2] [3]" is being credited by the OCC to Various Artsts and not Pretenders/The La's/Orlando/Nick Hornby as it was in the old British Hit Singles & Albums books...though I cannot tell you if this goes for both the Virgin Books as well as Guinness Books as I will have to find them. If you have these books to hand, please add the reference point to the sources halfway through this bit about Romo...
"None of the Romo acts made the British top 75 in their own right, [4] though Orlando charted at Number 65 with "How Can We Hang on to a Dream" as part of "Fever Pitch The EP" [5], when they were originally credited alongside Pretenders and The La's (like " Thank ABBA for the Music" [6], the Official Charts Company currently puts this hit under 'Various Artists', but keeps the 2 Tone EP [7] [8] under four different artist's discographies). After an unsuccessful Melody Maker-organised tour, most of the bands soon broke up. [9]"
Thank you...
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