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Neville Chamberlain (Indian Army officer) →
Neville Francis Fitzgerald Chamberlain – Chamberlain served as an army officer in South Africa as well as India, and was Inspector-General of the Royal Irish Constabulary. The page was moved to a totally inappropriate title without any prior discussion
Scolaire (
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Moved to Neville Chamberlain (police officer), as the least objectionable option. There is a clear consensus that the current title is problematic, and multiple suggestions that this would be an acceptable alternative. BD2412 T 17:03, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Neville Chamberlain (Indian Army officer) → ? – The new name is ambiguous. It is intended to mean that he was an officer in the Indian Army, but could equally mean that he was an Indian who was an army officer. Chamberlain was also Chief inspector in the Royal Irish Constabulary. Scolaire ( talk) 12:31, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
It is intended to mean that he was an officer in the Indian Army, but could equally mean that he was an Indian who was an army officer.That's why it's Indian Army officer (i.e. an officer in the Indian Army) and not Indian army officer (i.e. an Indian who is an army officer) - case is important here. Note that the Indian Army and the British Army were completely separate organisations, although many do not seem to realise this; it is therefore completely inappropriate to describe an Indian Army officer as a British Army officer. I would also accept Neville Chamberlain (police officer) as this was his highest-profile role (and the one for which he was knighted), although he spent longer in the Indian Army than anywhere else (actually, he was in the army for 28 years, not 16, the first couple in the British Army, as was standard practice for potential Indian Army officers, and the rest in the Indian Army). But none of the other options given are appropriate or usual. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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(despatch dated 31 March 1900)– Is that meant to be a citation? Doesn't really appear encyclopedic just in the prose like that. I don't know. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Chamberlain was commissioned a sub-lieutenant in the 11th Foot on 9 August 1873– Source doesn't support that. Could just use reference 1 instead. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
and promoted to lieutenant on 9 August 1874.– Source simply says August 1874. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He served with Roberts at Ootacamund between 1881 and 1884.– Don't think the reference there supports that, at least not the 1884 bit. That's also out of line with reference 1, which says
Chamberlain was an aide-de-camp to Sir Frederick Roberts when he served as commander-in-chief in Madras between 1881 and 1885.Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
while his actual rank was still that of captain.– Citation needed. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Substantive promotion to major followed on 9 August 1894– Citation needed. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He was made a Companion of the Order of the Bath in 1900.– Source doesn't appear to support that. Am I looking at the right thing? Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He was appointed Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (KCB) during a royal visit to Ireland in August 1903,– The source doesn't say it was during a royal visit. Steelkamp ( talk) 22:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (KCVO) in 1911– Source doesn't appear to support that. Steelkamp ( talk) 22:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Chamberlain died on 28 May 1944 aged 88.– You could change this to
Chamberlain died from myocarditis at his home on 28 May 1944, aged 48.As that information is there in the reference, you'd might as well use it. Steelkamp ( talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He was educated at Brentwood School, and the Royal Military College, Sandhurst.– Maybe change this to
He was educated abroad, at Brentwood School in Essex, and at the Royal Military College, Sandhurst.Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
awarded the campaign medal with four clasps and a bronze star.Is that maybe relevant to mention? Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Alright, I have placed this on hold awaiting improvements from you. Steelkamp ( talk) 23:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Neville Chamberlain (Indian Army officer) →
Neville Francis Fitzgerald Chamberlain – Chamberlain served as an army officer in South Africa as well as India, and was Inspector-General of the Royal Irish Constabulary. The page was moved to a totally inappropriate title without any prior discussion
Scolaire (
talk)
13:45, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Moved to Neville Chamberlain (police officer), as the least objectionable option. There is a clear consensus that the current title is problematic, and multiple suggestions that this would be an acceptable alternative. BD2412 T 17:03, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Neville Chamberlain (Indian Army officer) → ? – The new name is ambiguous. It is intended to mean that he was an officer in the Indian Army, but could equally mean that he was an Indian who was an army officer. Chamberlain was also Chief inspector in the Royal Irish Constabulary. Scolaire ( talk) 12:31, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
It is intended to mean that he was an officer in the Indian Army, but could equally mean that he was an Indian who was an army officer.That's why it's Indian Army officer (i.e. an officer in the Indian Army) and not Indian army officer (i.e. an Indian who is an army officer) - case is important here. Note that the Indian Army and the British Army were completely separate organisations, although many do not seem to realise this; it is therefore completely inappropriate to describe an Indian Army officer as a British Army officer. I would also accept Neville Chamberlain (police officer) as this was his highest-profile role (and the one for which he was knighted), although he spent longer in the Indian Army than anywhere else (actually, he was in the army for 28 years, not 16, the first couple in the British Army, as was standard practice for potential Indian Army officers, and the rest in the Indian Army). But none of the other options given are appropriate or usual. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hello. I will be doing a good article review of this article. I aim to get the review done within the next few days. If you would like to return the favour, I have several good article nominations active right now. Good luck.
Steelkamp (
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14:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
(despatch dated 31 March 1900)– Is that meant to be a citation? Doesn't really appear encyclopedic just in the prose like that. I don't know. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Chamberlain was commissioned a sub-lieutenant in the 11th Foot on 9 August 1873– Source doesn't support that. Could just use reference 1 instead. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
and promoted to lieutenant on 9 August 1874.– Source simply says August 1874. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He served with Roberts at Ootacamund between 1881 and 1884.– Don't think the reference there supports that, at least not the 1884 bit. That's also out of line with reference 1, which says
Chamberlain was an aide-de-camp to Sir Frederick Roberts when he served as commander-in-chief in Madras between 1881 and 1885.Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
while his actual rank was still that of captain.– Citation needed. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Substantive promotion to major followed on 9 August 1894– Citation needed. Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He was made a Companion of the Order of the Bath in 1900.– Source doesn't appear to support that. Am I looking at the right thing? Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He was appointed Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (KCB) during a royal visit to Ireland in August 1903,– The source doesn't say it was during a royal visit. Steelkamp ( talk) 22:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (KCVO) in 1911– Source doesn't appear to support that. Steelkamp ( talk) 22:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Chamberlain died on 28 May 1944 aged 88.– You could change this to
Chamberlain died from myocarditis at his home on 28 May 1944, aged 48.As that information is there in the reference, you'd might as well use it. Steelkamp ( talk) 14:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
He was educated at Brentwood School, and the Royal Military College, Sandhurst.– Maybe change this to
He was educated abroad, at Brentwood School in Essex, and at the Royal Military College, Sandhurst.Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
awarded the campaign medal with four clasps and a bronze star.Is that maybe relevant to mention? Steelkamp ( talk) 16:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Alright, I have placed this on hold awaiting improvements from you. Steelkamp ( talk) 23:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)