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I don't understand why the name/word Nena must initially reference to the singer and can't just itself by a page that links to all likely references. For example, NENA stands for two organizations that are in the United States and Canada. I would not be so insistent had I not seen that location names such as Regina functions itself as a page that links to many other sites.
What makes it different in the case of Nena Kerner being automatically referenced to as Nena reference immediately to her? Did she save the world?? Does see have an organization founded to help people?? I don't believe that a name such as Nena should be referenced solely to a singer at first link and not itself function as a link to many pages. To live it this way would be a disgrace to the organizations and other individuals that also possess this name. My words of Martin Luther King Jr. ring out "I believe all (wo)men are created equal)". Daniel
Nena Kerner is not her name for sure, either Nena or Susanne Kerner. But as she is famous with her stage name, we should use that one. So either the article should be at Nena or Nena (singer). The decision whether Nena should be the page about her, or if Nena should be a disambiguation page is more difficult to decide. It simply depends on whether the other possible meanings of Nena are similar well known, or are obscure ones only known to few. At least here in Germany Nena almost always refers to the singer, thus the original Nena (disambiguation) was the better way to do it. The fact that 100% of the links to Nena mean the singer can be hint of the importance. Nevertheless - a list of famous people with first name Nena don't belong there for sure, Regina also don't list those who had Regina at their first name. andy 19:24, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Of course I am biased as Nena was (is) much more famous here. However again - are any of the other meanings similar well-known as the singer? Aren't they abbreviated NENA? Or did she use Nena Kerner as stage name outside Germany (I doubt it)? As all links to Nena refer to the singer we don"t need to hurry to move the article - maybe someone else might want to comment first. At least if we move it we need to move it with the "Move this page", and change all links linking here (including the interwiki one from the german wikipedia). andy 20:00, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Nena is the stage name for a German pop singer from the 80s. Acronyms belong at NENA. There is no need to turn this into a disambiguation page. Maximus Re x 03:43, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Let me see if I get this straight, wikipedia is representative of Germany only? Too bad the title of the site doesn't say that, pretty confusing. Another page that bears testimony to this page being a disambiguation page is that of Python which gives equal weighting to the movie, the programming language, and the character. As such, this text is meant to lead to the same conclusion, meaning that even people with the last name Nena should be given consideration. I don't think there is much more that can be said on the side of fair representation then this. Or as the introduction to Wikipedia states "Avoid bias. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view, which means that articles should represent differing views on a subject fairly and sympathetically." Which this page fails to honour in it's current form. Daniel.
The current disambiguation works for me; an in-context link for Nena and a disambiguation for the uppercase NENA. Actually I'm just doing a drive-by throwing my two cents in, what I really want is a different picture. The one shown here is just ... frumpy. I'd also like to see some discussion on NDW which Nena played a big role in, and of the lyricist for the original 99 luftballoons song - I understand up until his recent tragic death he'd played a pretty significant role in the German Pop music scene. Haverberg 05:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree with andy on this one. The current disambiguation makes perfect sense, as Nena is not an acronym, whereas NENA is. The singer is more known in America than the org as near as I can tell (I never once have heard anyone mention Nena and not mean the musician). I see no need for change. Schnabeltier Angriff 21:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
In 2002, Nena celebrated her 20th stage anniversary with the album "Nena feat. Nena," a CD of s
I don't know what this sentence stands for.. I guess it could be
"a CD of songs something..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.247.136.48 ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Could we just have an image of Nena and have an image of her band separately?- Just Phil 01:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know "The Stripes" was the Album of the band "The Stripes", where Nena was the front singer, but it's not a album of her. So I'm not sure if it should be added to her list.
No, it should be. Half of the Members of The Stripes formed Nena, and songs from The Stripes were released in nena's Definitive Collection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.228.133 ( talk) 01:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the link to Amazon for two reasons. One, I'm not sure it belongs here at all. Second, it wasn't actually going to Amazon but someone's affiliate store. Uncool. If someone wishes to make money (though lord knows how much he's getting from wikipedia referrals) he should advertise on his own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.136.139 ( talk) 16:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This article says Nena was born in Hagen. Its counterpart on German Wikipedia says she was born about 10 miles south of there in Breckerfeld. What is the truth? Michael Hardy ( talk) 02:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Life is too complicated...
Actually, I think citing her book would be better. Michael Hardy ( talk) 17:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
The dictionary of the "Real Academia de la Lengua Española" says about the word "nena" [2]:
nene, na. (Voz infantil). 1. m. y f. coloq. Niño de corta edad. 2. m. y f. coloq. U. como expresión de cariño para personas de más edad, sobre todo en la terminación femenina. 3. m. irón. Hombre muy temible por sus fechorías.
Into English:
nene, na. (infantile word). 1. m. and f. coloq. Young boy or girl. 2. m. and f. coloq. As an expression of affection for people of more age, mainly in the female. (Like "baby" in English). 3. m. ironically. Very frightful man by its misdeeds.
Ascosphaera ( talk) 09:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
User:212.30.31.36 has kept returning to this article adding statements to the effect that Nena died in 1999. She is in fact alive and well. I've just blocked that IP number. Michael Hardy ( talk) 14:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Should we have separate lists of albums intended for children, and other albums? I think she's done ten of the former. Michael Hardy ( talk) 22:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone should add this to the article. As an aryan german it is quite ovious that Nena is not a native German and comes from somewhere else (Juden).Look at her dark featuren like skin and hair and eyes. Maybe she are from east or south europe but she is not german in heritage but she was born here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magicjuanjuan ( talk • contribs) 06:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I've heard on one famous Serbian radio station that Nena has roots from Serbia, so can anyone check it and add to the article. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.27.140 ( talk) 08:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
This article says:
The couple and the four children currently live in Hamburg.
The fact that Nena found out via a phone call in June 2009 that her daughter is four months pregnant [3] seems like a reason to doubt that her daughter is still living under Nena's roof. (And what of the daughter's 19-year-old twin brother?) Michael Hardy ( talk) 12:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous editor in Austria apparently attempted to add the 2010 release of the single called "Du bist so gut für mich" to the table of solo singles, and somehow mangled the format. Could someone adept at editing HTML tables add that? Michael Hardy ( talk) 07:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
The article says this:
"She has developed an interest in the teachings of Indian mystic Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) in recent years, and practises his meditation methods, an impression of which is featured in the "Wir sind wahr" video. [Osho ref 1]
Should the article mention the incident where some journalist reported that she had joined Osho's sect and she quickly issued a public denial? Michael Hardy ( talk) 20:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
What about her problem? 79.243.205.110 ( talk) 10:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
There should be some mention of the fact that she didn't shave under her arms. My understanding is that this was normal or at least acceptable in Europe at the time. But it was definitely not acceptable in the US. It definitely had an effect once people in the Americas became aware of it, though the extent of the effect is difficult to calculate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.227.215.249 ( talk) 23:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
hi. could someone include in the article how 'nena' is pronounced? during the '99 red balloons' period, the djs in my region said, 'NAY-nuh'. on youtube there's an interview from a few years ago where the dude, a german-speaker, if not a native one, keeps calling her 'NEE-nuh', and she makes no sign that anything's wrong. then, listening to a live clip from the early '80s, after the song ends, the crowd (a german one, i think; she's speaking german to them between songs) starts chanting what sounds like, 'NINE-uh, NINE-uh, NINE-uh'. it would be helpful to we 'foreigners' if the definitive pronunciation were in the article. thanks. 63.142.146.194 ( talk) 22:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Some time ago I made a modification to the IPA: (cur | prev) 23:41, 3 September 2017 80.187.108.12 (talk) . . (32,449 bytes) (+1) . . (corrected IPA. First vowel is as in "bed", and long. eg as the first sillable in Leder (leather) ref. I'm a German native speaker. Cf. the identically pronounced name Lena: https://de.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lena) (undo) (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit) I thus changed the prounciation to [ˈneːna].
However my change was reverted back to [ˈnɪna] soon after: 11:34, 8 September 2017 Duncan R2 (talk | contribs) . . (32,448 bytes) (-1) . . (Undid revision 798812042 by 80.187.108.12 (talk) Nena herself pronounces the first vowel as in "seen" - reference her 2016 single "Berufsjugendlich") (undo)
I am not a huge fan and do not have in-depth knowledge, but Nena is a well-known artist in Germany, so here is my take: - It seems that in the single "Berufsjugendlich", Nena seems to refer to herself as [ˈnɪna], though ɪ and e can be quite close in German depending on one's individual pronunciation. Not being a fan or music expert, I can't provide any additional resources where she refers to herself using her name. - To my knowledge, here in Germany "Nena" is referred to as [ˈneːna] in 99%+ of cases, also by interviewers and music industry/media people. On youtube, you will find uncountable interviews and even authorized documentary (where she is followed by a camera team) where she is introduced to and referred to as [ˈneːna], so it seems obvious that this is the usual term of reference. To my knowledge, in Germany, everyone will know who [ˈneːna] is, but not who [ˈnɪna] is supposed to be. Given that Nena is German and lives in Germany, this cannot be wholly discounted on the grounds that it is normal that artists's names are often (mis-)pronounced according to the respective country's pronunciation preferences. If it is true that she is mispronounced in her own country in 99% of cases and never corrects, not even in licensed documentaries, this is worth mentioning. - It is also worth mentioning that the German Wikipedia page lacks information on this subject. - Also, current [ˈnɪna] might be not as correct as [ˈnɪːna]. 80.187.109.114 ( talk) 14:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Try this interview with her on Youtube Nena - Interview - mag's. Throughout the clip her name is pronounced with an IPA 'e', the usual German pronunciation. At 11:51 she says the name herself ("da kommt jetzt nicht die Nena, die irgendwie..."). To my ears a clipped 'e', and definitely not an 'ɪ'. Plenty of other interviews on YT exhibit the same pronunciation, e.g. Nena wird 55 Nena - Interview - RBB at 2:55 Guffydrawers ( talk)
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I don't understand why the name/word Nena must initially reference to the singer and can't just itself by a page that links to all likely references. For example, NENA stands for two organizations that are in the United States and Canada. I would not be so insistent had I not seen that location names such as Regina functions itself as a page that links to many other sites.
What makes it different in the case of Nena Kerner being automatically referenced to as Nena reference immediately to her? Did she save the world?? Does see have an organization founded to help people?? I don't believe that a name such as Nena should be referenced solely to a singer at first link and not itself function as a link to many pages. To live it this way would be a disgrace to the organizations and other individuals that also possess this name. My words of Martin Luther King Jr. ring out "I believe all (wo)men are created equal)". Daniel
Nena Kerner is not her name for sure, either Nena or Susanne Kerner. But as she is famous with her stage name, we should use that one. So either the article should be at Nena or Nena (singer). The decision whether Nena should be the page about her, or if Nena should be a disambiguation page is more difficult to decide. It simply depends on whether the other possible meanings of Nena are similar well known, or are obscure ones only known to few. At least here in Germany Nena almost always refers to the singer, thus the original Nena (disambiguation) was the better way to do it. The fact that 100% of the links to Nena mean the singer can be hint of the importance. Nevertheless - a list of famous people with first name Nena don't belong there for sure, Regina also don't list those who had Regina at their first name. andy 19:24, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Of course I am biased as Nena was (is) much more famous here. However again - are any of the other meanings similar well-known as the singer? Aren't they abbreviated NENA? Or did she use Nena Kerner as stage name outside Germany (I doubt it)? As all links to Nena refer to the singer we don"t need to hurry to move the article - maybe someone else might want to comment first. At least if we move it we need to move it with the "Move this page", and change all links linking here (including the interwiki one from the german wikipedia). andy 20:00, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Nena is the stage name for a German pop singer from the 80s. Acronyms belong at NENA. There is no need to turn this into a disambiguation page. Maximus Re x 03:43, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Let me see if I get this straight, wikipedia is representative of Germany only? Too bad the title of the site doesn't say that, pretty confusing. Another page that bears testimony to this page being a disambiguation page is that of Python which gives equal weighting to the movie, the programming language, and the character. As such, this text is meant to lead to the same conclusion, meaning that even people with the last name Nena should be given consideration. I don't think there is much more that can be said on the side of fair representation then this. Or as the introduction to Wikipedia states "Avoid bias. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view, which means that articles should represent differing views on a subject fairly and sympathetically." Which this page fails to honour in it's current form. Daniel.
The current disambiguation works for me; an in-context link for Nena and a disambiguation for the uppercase NENA. Actually I'm just doing a drive-by throwing my two cents in, what I really want is a different picture. The one shown here is just ... frumpy. I'd also like to see some discussion on NDW which Nena played a big role in, and of the lyricist for the original 99 luftballoons song - I understand up until his recent tragic death he'd played a pretty significant role in the German Pop music scene. Haverberg 05:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree with andy on this one. The current disambiguation makes perfect sense, as Nena is not an acronym, whereas NENA is. The singer is more known in America than the org as near as I can tell (I never once have heard anyone mention Nena and not mean the musician). I see no need for change. Schnabeltier Angriff 21:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
In 2002, Nena celebrated her 20th stage anniversary with the album "Nena feat. Nena," a CD of s
I don't know what this sentence stands for.. I guess it could be
"a CD of songs something..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.247.136.48 ( talk • contribs) 12:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Could we just have an image of Nena and have an image of her band separately?- Just Phil 01:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
As far as I know "The Stripes" was the Album of the band "The Stripes", where Nena was the front singer, but it's not a album of her. So I'm not sure if it should be added to her list.
No, it should be. Half of the Members of The Stripes formed Nena, and songs from The Stripes were released in nena's Definitive Collection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.228.133 ( talk) 01:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the link to Amazon for two reasons. One, I'm not sure it belongs here at all. Second, it wasn't actually going to Amazon but someone's affiliate store. Uncool. If someone wishes to make money (though lord knows how much he's getting from wikipedia referrals) he should advertise on his own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.136.139 ( talk) 16:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
This article says Nena was born in Hagen. Its counterpart on German Wikipedia says she was born about 10 miles south of there in Breckerfeld. What is the truth? Michael Hardy ( talk) 02:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Life is too complicated...
Actually, I think citing her book would be better. Michael Hardy ( talk) 17:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
The dictionary of the "Real Academia de la Lengua Española" says about the word "nena" [2]:
nene, na. (Voz infantil). 1. m. y f. coloq. Niño de corta edad. 2. m. y f. coloq. U. como expresión de cariño para personas de más edad, sobre todo en la terminación femenina. 3. m. irón. Hombre muy temible por sus fechorías.
Into English:
nene, na. (infantile word). 1. m. and f. coloq. Young boy or girl. 2. m. and f. coloq. As an expression of affection for people of more age, mainly in the female. (Like "baby" in English). 3. m. ironically. Very frightful man by its misdeeds.
Ascosphaera ( talk) 09:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
User:212.30.31.36 has kept returning to this article adding statements to the effect that Nena died in 1999. She is in fact alive and well. I've just blocked that IP number. Michael Hardy ( talk) 14:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Should we have separate lists of albums intended for children, and other albums? I think she's done ten of the former. Michael Hardy ( talk) 22:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Someone should add this to the article. As an aryan german it is quite ovious that Nena is not a native German and comes from somewhere else (Juden).Look at her dark featuren like skin and hair and eyes. Maybe she are from east or south europe but she is not german in heritage but she was born here —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magicjuanjuan ( talk • contribs) 06:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
I've heard on one famous Serbian radio station that Nena has roots from Serbia, so can anyone check it and add to the article. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.27.140 ( talk) 08:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
This article says:
The couple and the four children currently live in Hamburg.
The fact that Nena found out via a phone call in June 2009 that her daughter is four months pregnant [3] seems like a reason to doubt that her daughter is still living under Nena's roof. (And what of the daughter's 19-year-old twin brother?) Michael Hardy ( talk) 12:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous editor in Austria apparently attempted to add the 2010 release of the single called "Du bist so gut für mich" to the table of solo singles, and somehow mangled the format. Could someone adept at editing HTML tables add that? Michael Hardy ( talk) 07:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
The article says this:
"She has developed an interest in the teachings of Indian mystic Osho (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) in recent years, and practises his meditation methods, an impression of which is featured in the "Wir sind wahr" video. [Osho ref 1]
Should the article mention the incident where some journalist reported that she had joined Osho's sect and she quickly issued a public denial? Michael Hardy ( talk) 20:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
What about her problem? 79.243.205.110 ( talk) 10:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
There should be some mention of the fact that she didn't shave under her arms. My understanding is that this was normal or at least acceptable in Europe at the time. But it was definitely not acceptable in the US. It definitely had an effect once people in the Americas became aware of it, though the extent of the effect is difficult to calculate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.227.215.249 ( talk) 23:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
hi. could someone include in the article how 'nena' is pronounced? during the '99 red balloons' period, the djs in my region said, 'NAY-nuh'. on youtube there's an interview from a few years ago where the dude, a german-speaker, if not a native one, keeps calling her 'NEE-nuh', and she makes no sign that anything's wrong. then, listening to a live clip from the early '80s, after the song ends, the crowd (a german one, i think; she's speaking german to them between songs) starts chanting what sounds like, 'NINE-uh, NINE-uh, NINE-uh'. it would be helpful to we 'foreigners' if the definitive pronunciation were in the article. thanks. 63.142.146.194 ( talk) 22:31, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
Some time ago I made a modification to the IPA: (cur | prev) 23:41, 3 September 2017 80.187.108.12 (talk) . . (32,449 bytes) (+1) . . (corrected IPA. First vowel is as in "bed", and long. eg as the first sillable in Leder (leather) ref. I'm a German native speaker. Cf. the identically pronounced name Lena: https://de.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lena) (undo) (Tags: Mobile edit, Mobile web edit) I thus changed the prounciation to [ˈneːna].
However my change was reverted back to [ˈnɪna] soon after: 11:34, 8 September 2017 Duncan R2 (talk | contribs) . . (32,448 bytes) (-1) . . (Undid revision 798812042 by 80.187.108.12 (talk) Nena herself pronounces the first vowel as in "seen" - reference her 2016 single "Berufsjugendlich") (undo)
I am not a huge fan and do not have in-depth knowledge, but Nena is a well-known artist in Germany, so here is my take: - It seems that in the single "Berufsjugendlich", Nena seems to refer to herself as [ˈnɪna], though ɪ and e can be quite close in German depending on one's individual pronunciation. Not being a fan or music expert, I can't provide any additional resources where she refers to herself using her name. - To my knowledge, here in Germany "Nena" is referred to as [ˈneːna] in 99%+ of cases, also by interviewers and music industry/media people. On youtube, you will find uncountable interviews and even authorized documentary (where she is followed by a camera team) where she is introduced to and referred to as [ˈneːna], so it seems obvious that this is the usual term of reference. To my knowledge, in Germany, everyone will know who [ˈneːna] is, but not who [ˈnɪna] is supposed to be. Given that Nena is German and lives in Germany, this cannot be wholly discounted on the grounds that it is normal that artists's names are often (mis-)pronounced according to the respective country's pronunciation preferences. If it is true that she is mispronounced in her own country in 99% of cases and never corrects, not even in licensed documentaries, this is worth mentioning. - It is also worth mentioning that the German Wikipedia page lacks information on this subject. - Also, current [ˈnɪna] might be not as correct as [ˈnɪːna]. 80.187.109.114 ( talk) 14:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Try this interview with her on Youtube Nena - Interview - mag's. Throughout the clip her name is pronounced with an IPA 'e', the usual German pronunciation. At 11:51 she says the name herself ("da kommt jetzt nicht die Nena, die irgendwie..."). To my ears a clipped 'e', and definitely not an 'ɪ'. Plenty of other interviews on YT exhibit the same pronunciation, e.g. Nena wird 55 Nena - Interview - RBB at 2:55 Guffydrawers ( talk)
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