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"Statesman" is really a judgement of value that doesn't belong in the first sentence of an article. It gives the whole thing an air of hagiography.
The entire first paragraph needs to be refashioned, but I'm going to start just plucking out "statesman".-- Dnavarro ( talk) 14:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I added the section on this commission... didn't put much detail in, so if anyone wants to expand it, that'd be nice. Tooptoo 20:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
What happened to the b&w portrait that was here before? jengod 19:17, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
"Group of unwashed hippies" isn't a NPOV.. anybody else agree?
-- RobbieFal 22:24, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
What is the source of the following sentence: "It is believed that had Marshak called an ambulance promptly, Rockefeller might have survived"? When it says "it is believed", who believes this? Did he have a simple heart attack or a cardiac arrest? If it was a cardiac arrest, then even if she had called paramedics and administered effective CPR, he probably would not survive. Mauvila 12:11, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Well, y'know, she had someone die on top of her, whaddya expect? :) — Rickyrab | Talk 07:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) Pathetic assumption! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.77.74 ( talk) 21:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
"Some analysts speculated that his appointment to the vice presidency by Gerald Ford was calculated to forestall a Rockefeller presidential campaign in 1976."
Which analysts? I had never heard this other than as a random rumor, and can find no corroboration about this theory at all.
Added comment that it was Rockefeller's perceived social liberalism that led directly to the creation of the Conservative Party of New York. -- Kayman1uk 14:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Somebody obviously went to some trouble to compile so much information about cremation of prominent people in U.S. history, but there is a bit too much detail on that for this article. Jonathunder 04:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
The sentence describing the the Daily News and and NYC fiscal crisis strays from the subject of Rockefeller. Should it be dropped? "The screaming Daily News front-page bold-type "Ford to City: Drop Dead!" instantly became a newspaper headline sensation, although Ford never actually said those words, and the Daily News actually endorsed Ford the following year." Leuliett 22:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Is this guy related to Rockefeller of Standard Oil? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The masterpedia ( talk • contribs) 17:42, April 23, 2006 (UTC)
Just finished trying to clean up as much as possible. This article was filled with POV, weasel words and uncited assertions. This is an encyclopedia article, Folks, not a political analysis. Alas, like many Wikipedia articles, this one appears to be largely lifted from somebody's term paper. If this article was cited by Boston U., then it's a reflection on them. Rocky deserves better. — J M Rice 19:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't really know how to cite things on Wikipedia. So I will here that the source for my statement about Rockefeller meeting George Bush and his wife in 1977 is First Son: George W. Bush and the Bush Family Dynasty, by Bill Minutaglio. FDR 10:21 AM May 25, 2006 (UTC)
I suppose if you investigated what Rocky did behind the scenes and exactly what the Rockefeller family is all truly about, you'd feel a bit differently on how much "he deserves better."
This is ridiculous, for all their faults, they're a fantastically kind and charitable family. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
76.125.68.7 (
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According to JDR I biography by Ron Chernow: Rockefellers came to Germany from France and were germanised. They're, also, French Americans
After the edit of User:70.182.64.86 ( [1]) the section "Governor of New York" is quite a mess - some headlines would help.
As I am not qualified to edit an article about this person, could someone please check the accuracy of the new content, too?
-fin 07:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I saw this in the article
"The Bush family vehemently despised Rockefeller because of his perverse sexual behavior and his extreme left-wing policies."
Am I the only who thinks that this is a little slanderous to say the least? Having extramirtal relationships isn't perverse and while he was the to left of the GOP at that time, no one can argue that he was a left-wing extremist.
From Wikipedia's Verifiable Sources entry: Say where you got it It is improper to copy a citation from an intermediate source without making clear that you saw only that intermediate source. For example, you might find some information on a web page which says it comes from a certain book. Unless you look at the book yourself to check that the information is there, your reference is really the web page, which is what you must cite. The credibility of your article rests on the credibility of the web page, as well as the book, and your article must make that clear.
The citation on Nelson Rockefeller's death is from the transcript of a PBS documentary on the Rockfellers which, as far as I know, has never been challenged for its veracity or authenticity. Would someone kindly explain why this is being reverted? Thanks.-- Idols of Mud 14:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen, you will need to provide links to the specific policy you believe that this information violates. It seems to me a pretty clear-cut case: it documents the surrounding controversy with citations from reliable sources without including personal speculation or opinion. The article doesn't make any claims, it merely says that there was some press coverage concerning the peculiar circumstances of his death. You have been blocked for violating WP:3RR, but when you return I will happily review your reasoning for wanting to remove this information provided that you link me to the specific policies that you believe are being violated. More comments such as it "degrades Wikipedia" will be discounted. The paragraph does not, to me, seem to violate WP:LIVING since it merely asserts that Ms. Marshack was 1) present at his death and 2) a beneficiary in his will, which a number of sources have confirmed. Continuing to remove sourced, verifiable information can result in a further block or lead to your being prevented from editing this article. -- Merope 15:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I think other areas in this article can use some attention - enough energy has been expended in the one paragraph about his death. I've started to look at Attica and Rockefeller drug laws s they both could use some work- other parts could also use expansion as they are very sketchy. Tvoz 20:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed this: "In a notable public incident, he had the mural of Diego Rivera, that he had commissioned for the lobby of the RCA building in Rockefeller Center, destroyed because it contained the figure of Lenin.
I could not find a source to confirm that Nelson Rockefeller had the mural destroyed - it was indeed destroyed, but this PBS piece [3] has John D. Jr. speaking for Rockefeller Center management, not Nelson, and the implication is that Nelson was not the one who had workmen destroy it in the middle of the night. If someone finds a source laying this at Nelson's feet, then it surely should be reinstated with citation as it would be an interesting counterpoint to his reputation as an art collector. Tvoz | talk 22:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
>>>>>Please, take your time to read this. There are many articles and featured news stories from that period. There are many documents that confirm Nelson Rockefeller had the mural destroyed. Also, there is part of a movie showing this event in that website. (and the movie "Frida" would be terribly wrong and undocumented if what they showed was false (the argument between Nelson and Diego Rivera. I find it incredible that you took it away. This is the result of the investigation: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA04/hess/RockRivera/homepage.html
I find it incredible too. Obviously he or she (Tvoz) hasn't read NR's autobiography, where he talks about this incident.
Did Rockefeller have any dreams/asperations? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.199.192.126 ( talk) 20:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
??? Tvoz | talk 06:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You know like did he want to do anything while he was growing up? -- 65.97.16.187 22:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Merge, it looks to me like there is only enough information about Megan Marshak to just merge her article and redirect to Nelson Rockefeller. There can't be more than a sentence or two to say about her since she is not notable beyond Rockefeller. Since there's already a paragraph in Nelson Rockefeller's article, it seems that we just need to put a redirect on this article and be done with it. Any thoughts? -- Dual Freq 17:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that this article should be added to the scope of the New York State wikiproject since Rockefeller was from New York state. Prb4 21:07:02 February 14,2007 (UTC)
The section about Rockefeller's death is to long and needs to be trimmed down. Prb4 03:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Confirming that "Marshack" is the correct spelling. More pages found by Google spell it without the "c," but I found several articles inside the New York Times paywall that all include the "c."
This statement in the Attica riots has no source and really doesn't contribute to the article in my view. "More than 40 people died, including 11 of 38 hostages (most of whom were prison guards), the largest loss of life in armed conflict between groups of Americans since the American Civil War" Any consensus on removing it? Mbisanz 18:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
If there's any work that still needs to be done, it's in the "Early Political History" section, which is almost incoherent and borders on being a hodgepodge of advanced, if not esoteric, terms and (weasel)words with what I hope are (uncited)facts about a crucial time in his career. Don't get me wrong, I can read and make sense out of almost any sophisticatedly-written English article in wikipedia, but this particular section has no coherency to it, so if someone has the time and patience to weed through this and make it read more like an article and not a political debate, that'd be appreciated.
Thanks, Alan 69.116.186.229 ( talk) 01:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
There is a reasonably famous photograph of Rockefeller flipping the bird. Even if a free version of that image is not available, it seems notable enough to be mentioned.-- otherlleft ( talk) 16:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Can't believe there is no mention of Nelson Rockefeller serving as head of this commission . . . [Ronald Reagan] served on it too. The Commission, among other things investigated the CIA's involvement in the assassination of President Kennedy. Raquel Baranow ( talk) 18:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I have no enormous complaint about bias in this article, except to say that the language is like that written by PR firms or in-pocket biographers. "Throughout his life Rockefeller was drawn to finding innovative, inter-disciplinary solutions to public policy issues." Charming bit of interpretive history, and only one example of a many. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.94.167 ( talk) 04:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Nelson Rockefeller's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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Paris, August 30, 1930. Marcellus Hartley Dodge Jr., grand-nephew of J.D. Rockefeller Jr., was instantly killed and his companion on an automobile trip in France, Ralph Applegate, was seriously injured when their car
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Tough laws on drug users What became known as the “Rockefeller drug laws” were a product of Rockefeller’s attempt to deal with the rapid increase in narcotics addiction and related crime.
I have a number of issues with your commentary on the Rockefeller Era Drug Laws. You state: "As approved by the legislature in 1973, the new drug laws included mandatory life sentences without the possibility of plea-bargaining or parole for all drug users, dealers, and those convicted of drug-related violent crimes;"
Your simplistic and misleading opinion obviously ignores the responsibility and authority of the prosecutor to reduce the level of the offense if warranted. The laws required certain sentences upon conviction, not arrest. The mandatory life sentences were reserved only for the highest level drug dealers, not users.
You further conclude that the laws: "did not lead more addicts to seek rehabilitation as hoped, and ultimately did not solve the problem of drug trafficking." Again, this conclusory state flies in the face of the facts. How many addicts were in drug treatment in 1973 and how many were in treatment when the Pataki-era drug laws were enacted. Please save your opinion and cite facts.
You state that the Rockefeller era drug laws "are still on the books, albeit in moderated form."[Today’s Patterson era drug laws (euphemistically referred to as the "Drug Dealer Protection Act of 2009") look nothing like thee Rockefeller Drug laws. Mandatory prison upon conviction is gone and the maximum sentences have been decimated from 25 years to 9 years in most cases. As a direct result of the Pataki and Patterson Drug Laws, the prison population, especially those incarcerated on Drug Felonies has dropped dramatically (over 20% overt all and likely 40-50% of drug dealing convicts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.110.50 ( talk) 21:55, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Nelson_Rockefeller
71.101.43.4 ( talk) 01:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
"Statesman" is really a judgement of value that doesn't belong in the first sentence of an article. It gives the whole thing an air of hagiography.
The entire first paragraph needs to be refashioned, but I'm going to start just plucking out "statesman".-- Dnavarro ( talk) 14:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I added the section on this commission... didn't put much detail in, so if anyone wants to expand it, that'd be nice. Tooptoo 20:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
What happened to the b&w portrait that was here before? jengod 19:17, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
"Group of unwashed hippies" isn't a NPOV.. anybody else agree?
-- RobbieFal 22:24, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
What is the source of the following sentence: "It is believed that had Marshak called an ambulance promptly, Rockefeller might have survived"? When it says "it is believed", who believes this? Did he have a simple heart attack or a cardiac arrest? If it was a cardiac arrest, then even if she had called paramedics and administered effective CPR, he probably would not survive. Mauvila 12:11, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Well, y'know, she had someone die on top of her, whaddya expect? :) — Rickyrab | Talk 07:12, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) Pathetic assumption! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.77.74 ( talk) 21:01, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
"Some analysts speculated that his appointment to the vice presidency by Gerald Ford was calculated to forestall a Rockefeller presidential campaign in 1976."
Which analysts? I had never heard this other than as a random rumor, and can find no corroboration about this theory at all.
Added comment that it was Rockefeller's perceived social liberalism that led directly to the creation of the Conservative Party of New York. -- Kayman1uk 14:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Somebody obviously went to some trouble to compile so much information about cremation of prominent people in U.S. history, but there is a bit too much detail on that for this article. Jonathunder 04:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
The sentence describing the the Daily News and and NYC fiscal crisis strays from the subject of Rockefeller. Should it be dropped? "The screaming Daily News front-page bold-type "Ford to City: Drop Dead!" instantly became a newspaper headline sensation, although Ford never actually said those words, and the Daily News actually endorsed Ford the following year." Leuliett 22:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Is this guy related to Rockefeller of Standard Oil? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The masterpedia ( talk • contribs) 17:42, April 23, 2006 (UTC)
Just finished trying to clean up as much as possible. This article was filled with POV, weasel words and uncited assertions. This is an encyclopedia article, Folks, not a political analysis. Alas, like many Wikipedia articles, this one appears to be largely lifted from somebody's term paper. If this article was cited by Boston U., then it's a reflection on them. Rocky deserves better. — J M Rice 19:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't really know how to cite things on Wikipedia. So I will here that the source for my statement about Rockefeller meeting George Bush and his wife in 1977 is First Son: George W. Bush and the Bush Family Dynasty, by Bill Minutaglio. FDR 10:21 AM May 25, 2006 (UTC)
I suppose if you investigated what Rocky did behind the scenes and exactly what the Rockefeller family is all truly about, you'd feel a bit differently on how much "he deserves better."
This is ridiculous, for all their faults, they're a fantastically kind and charitable family. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
76.125.68.7 (
talk) 01:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
According to JDR I biography by Ron Chernow: Rockefellers came to Germany from France and were germanised. They're, also, French Americans
After the edit of User:70.182.64.86 ( [1]) the section "Governor of New York" is quite a mess - some headlines would help.
As I am not qualified to edit an article about this person, could someone please check the accuracy of the new content, too?
-fin 07:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I saw this in the article
"The Bush family vehemently despised Rockefeller because of his perverse sexual behavior and his extreme left-wing policies."
Am I the only who thinks that this is a little slanderous to say the least? Having extramirtal relationships isn't perverse and while he was the to left of the GOP at that time, no one can argue that he was a left-wing extremist.
From Wikipedia's Verifiable Sources entry: Say where you got it It is improper to copy a citation from an intermediate source without making clear that you saw only that intermediate source. For example, you might find some information on a web page which says it comes from a certain book. Unless you look at the book yourself to check that the information is there, your reference is really the web page, which is what you must cite. The credibility of your article rests on the credibility of the web page, as well as the book, and your article must make that clear.
The citation on Nelson Rockefeller's death is from the transcript of a PBS documentary on the Rockfellers which, as far as I know, has never been challenged for its veracity or authenticity. Would someone kindly explain why this is being reverted? Thanks.-- Idols of Mud 14:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Rjensen, you will need to provide links to the specific policy you believe that this information violates. It seems to me a pretty clear-cut case: it documents the surrounding controversy with citations from reliable sources without including personal speculation or opinion. The article doesn't make any claims, it merely says that there was some press coverage concerning the peculiar circumstances of his death. You have been blocked for violating WP:3RR, but when you return I will happily review your reasoning for wanting to remove this information provided that you link me to the specific policies that you believe are being violated. More comments such as it "degrades Wikipedia" will be discounted. The paragraph does not, to me, seem to violate WP:LIVING since it merely asserts that Ms. Marshack was 1) present at his death and 2) a beneficiary in his will, which a number of sources have confirmed. Continuing to remove sourced, verifiable information can result in a further block or lead to your being prevented from editing this article. -- Merope 15:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I think other areas in this article can use some attention - enough energy has been expended in the one paragraph about his death. I've started to look at Attica and Rockefeller drug laws s they both could use some work- other parts could also use expansion as they are very sketchy. Tvoz 20:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I removed this: "In a notable public incident, he had the mural of Diego Rivera, that he had commissioned for the lobby of the RCA building in Rockefeller Center, destroyed because it contained the figure of Lenin.
I could not find a source to confirm that Nelson Rockefeller had the mural destroyed - it was indeed destroyed, but this PBS piece [3] has John D. Jr. speaking for Rockefeller Center management, not Nelson, and the implication is that Nelson was not the one who had workmen destroy it in the middle of the night. If someone finds a source laying this at Nelson's feet, then it surely should be reinstated with citation as it would be an interesting counterpoint to his reputation as an art collector. Tvoz | talk 22:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
>>>>>Please, take your time to read this. There are many articles and featured news stories from that period. There are many documents that confirm Nelson Rockefeller had the mural destroyed. Also, there is part of a movie showing this event in that website. (and the movie "Frida" would be terribly wrong and undocumented if what they showed was false (the argument between Nelson and Diego Rivera. I find it incredible that you took it away. This is the result of the investigation: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA04/hess/RockRivera/homepage.html
I find it incredible too. Obviously he or she (Tvoz) hasn't read NR's autobiography, where he talks about this incident.
Did Rockefeller have any dreams/asperations? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.199.192.126 ( talk) 20:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC).
??? Tvoz | talk 06:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You know like did he want to do anything while he was growing up? -- 65.97.16.187 22:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Merge, it looks to me like there is only enough information about Megan Marshak to just merge her article and redirect to Nelson Rockefeller. There can't be more than a sentence or two to say about her since she is not notable beyond Rockefeller. Since there's already a paragraph in Nelson Rockefeller's article, it seems that we just need to put a redirect on this article and be done with it. Any thoughts? -- Dual Freq 17:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that this article should be added to the scope of the New York State wikiproject since Rockefeller was from New York state. Prb4 21:07:02 February 14,2007 (UTC)
The section about Rockefeller's death is to long and needs to be trimmed down. Prb4 03:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Confirming that "Marshack" is the correct spelling. More pages found by Google spell it without the "c," but I found several articles inside the New York Times paywall that all include the "c."
This statement in the Attica riots has no source and really doesn't contribute to the article in my view. "More than 40 people died, including 11 of 38 hostages (most of whom were prison guards), the largest loss of life in armed conflict between groups of Americans since the American Civil War" Any consensus on removing it? Mbisanz 18:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
If there's any work that still needs to be done, it's in the "Early Political History" section, which is almost incoherent and borders on being a hodgepodge of advanced, if not esoteric, terms and (weasel)words with what I hope are (uncited)facts about a crucial time in his career. Don't get me wrong, I can read and make sense out of almost any sophisticatedly-written English article in wikipedia, but this particular section has no coherency to it, so if someone has the time and patience to weed through this and make it read more like an article and not a political debate, that'd be appreciated.
Thanks, Alan 69.116.186.229 ( talk) 01:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
There is a reasonably famous photograph of Rockefeller flipping the bird. Even if a free version of that image is not available, it seems notable enough to be mentioned.-- otherlleft ( talk) 16:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Can't believe there is no mention of Nelson Rockefeller serving as head of this commission . . . [Ronald Reagan] served on it too. The Commission, among other things investigated the CIA's involvement in the assassination of President Kennedy. Raquel Baranow ( talk) 18:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I have no enormous complaint about bias in this article, except to say that the language is like that written by PR firms or in-pocket biographers. "Throughout his life Rockefeller was drawn to finding innovative, inter-disciplinary solutions to public policy issues." Charming bit of interpretive history, and only one example of a many. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.94.167 ( talk) 04:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Nelson Rockefeller's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "NYT1":
Paris, August 30, 1930. Marcellus Hartley Dodge Jr., grand-nephew of J.D. Rockefeller Jr., was instantly killed and his companion on an automobile trip in France, Ralph Applegate, was seriously injured when their car
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 02:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Tough laws on drug users What became known as the “Rockefeller drug laws” were a product of Rockefeller’s attempt to deal with the rapid increase in narcotics addiction and related crime.
I have a number of issues with your commentary on the Rockefeller Era Drug Laws. You state: "As approved by the legislature in 1973, the new drug laws included mandatory life sentences without the possibility of plea-bargaining or parole for all drug users, dealers, and those convicted of drug-related violent crimes;"
Your simplistic and misleading opinion obviously ignores the responsibility and authority of the prosecutor to reduce the level of the offense if warranted. The laws required certain sentences upon conviction, not arrest. The mandatory life sentences were reserved only for the highest level drug dealers, not users.
You further conclude that the laws: "did not lead more addicts to seek rehabilitation as hoped, and ultimately did not solve the problem of drug trafficking." Again, this conclusory state flies in the face of the facts. How many addicts were in drug treatment in 1973 and how many were in treatment when the Pataki-era drug laws were enacted. Please save your opinion and cite facts.
You state that the Rockefeller era drug laws "are still on the books, albeit in moderated form."[Today’s Patterson era drug laws (euphemistically referred to as the "Drug Dealer Protection Act of 2009") look nothing like thee Rockefeller Drug laws. Mandatory prison upon conviction is gone and the maximum sentences have been decimated from 25 years to 9 years in most cases. As a direct result of the Pataki and Patterson Drug Laws, the prison population, especially those incarcerated on Drug Felonies has dropped dramatically (over 20% overt all and likely 40-50% of drug dealing convicts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.110.50 ( talk) 21:55, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Nelson_Rockefeller
71.101.43.4 ( talk) 01:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)