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you have written a very studied take on natural health. I had been pondering writing an article but the task was too daunting. I am a Holistic Health practitioner in Atlanta. Your web site is jam packed. thanks for the work
Thanks!
I feel that this article represents an academic definition of what the definition of natural health should be based upon the various branches of philosophy. -- Mr-Natural-Health 11:40, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Grossly POV - it reads like a press release. Marking accordingly. (If it were NPOV, it wouldn't need a disclaimer.) - David Gerard 20:38, Jan 19, 2004 (UTC)
I will remove all traces of concerns of POV in the natural health article by doing a major re-write of it that will be based on the accepted format of the Naturopathy article. No issues of NPOV have been raised over at Naturopathy. I will tone it done a bit too, so that it does not read like a press release for my web site. -- John Gohde, aka Mr-Natural-Health 15:24, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Parts of this page can be found at http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html and http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/talk.politics.medicine/msg02694.html.
Does the phrase Natural Health even exist? The answer is an obvious yes, if for no other reason than that there are literally thousands of natural health web sites.
So, the next question would be: How does one then define the term? There is no dictionary definition to refer to. So, I would propose that the easiest way to define the term is to examine existing fully developed models that primarily center around the phrase natural health. However, you must bare in mind that each of these models has added their own extensions to the concept of natural health.
There are only 5 possible choices, to choose from:
I would immediately discount the Natural Hygiene movement. It never professionalized. Nor, is natural hygiene training provided at any accredited college of higher learning. However, the Natural Hygiene movement was clearly the first group to use the word natural.
From here, it is simply a matter of hard thinking to reason out the specific philosophies that comprise the philosophical basis of natural health.
The only real debatable issues, in my opinion, are the principle of materialism and issue of the mind-body connection. Is natural health strongly rooted in materialism just like medicine is? Or, does it follow a more water-down version of materialism?
How does the mind-body connection come into play? Is it part of the core natural health philosophies, or is it merely only a modern extension to it? Natural health is clearly Western in its approach, as opposed to an Eastern philosophy. The earliest link to the mind-body connection would be interest in relaxation or stress reduction. Psychosocial treatments would clearly be a modern extension. But, a basic stress reduction technique could be traced back to relaxing in ancient Roman spas some 2,000 years ago. Naturopathy came from the water cure in Europe, and the water cure came from the ancient Roman spa.
Further, saying that natural health is as strictly biological in its approach to health as medicine is tantamount to saying that it uses the biomedical model of health which clearly rubs me the wrong way. Seems to me that there should be a major divide between natural health and medicine on this core issue.
So, this basically leaves the yet to be answered question of: What is the best philosophical term to refer to the water-down version of materialism that is core to all natural health practices? -- John Gohde, aka Mr-Natural-Health 15:35, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Happy to discuss to discuss what? -- John Gohde, aka Mr-Natural-Health 14:55, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I changed the key definition of a page you have fixed up lot. but we I think we have more to discuss on Talk:Conventional medicine-- Erich gasboy 15:05, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This article is specifically about the natural health movement in America. I think it should either state that right up front, or be expanded to include the rest of the world. Thoughts? heidimo 16:34, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I've been doing some minor copyediting, but this sentence makes no sense to me:
All natural health healing practices will claim that a physician can kill an infection with antibiotics, perform surgery, put a broken limb in a cast, or suture a wound, but all healing is performed by the patient.
If I knew what it was trying to say, I'd reword it. It is from the "Vitalism" section. heidimo 16:46, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This sentence from "Prevention" also has problems I'm not sure how best to fix:
Secondary prevention activities are concerned with early detection and intervention in the potential development or the existence of an illness.
heidimo 17:04, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Why was the article Natural hygiene ( Natural Hygiene, Orthopathy) deleted and redirected here without merging any of its contents? Natural hygiene was practised by Herbert M. Shelton and is not mentioned in this article. nirvana2013 ( talk) 15:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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you have written a very studied take on natural health. I had been pondering writing an article but the task was too daunting. I am a Holistic Health practitioner in Atlanta. Your web site is jam packed. thanks for the work
Thanks!
I feel that this article represents an academic definition of what the definition of natural health should be based upon the various branches of philosophy. -- Mr-Natural-Health 11:40, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Grossly POV - it reads like a press release. Marking accordingly. (If it were NPOV, it wouldn't need a disclaimer.) - David Gerard 20:38, Jan 19, 2004 (UTC)
I will remove all traces of concerns of POV in the natural health article by doing a major re-write of it that will be based on the accepted format of the Naturopathy article. No issues of NPOV have been raised over at Naturopathy. I will tone it done a bit too, so that it does not read like a press release for my web site. -- John Gohde, aka Mr-Natural-Health 15:24, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Parts of this page can be found at http://tutorials.naturalhealthperspective.com/glossary.html and http://www.usenet.com/newsgroups/talk.politics.medicine/msg02694.html.
Does the phrase Natural Health even exist? The answer is an obvious yes, if for no other reason than that there are literally thousands of natural health web sites.
So, the next question would be: How does one then define the term? There is no dictionary definition to refer to. So, I would propose that the easiest way to define the term is to examine existing fully developed models that primarily center around the phrase natural health. However, you must bare in mind that each of these models has added their own extensions to the concept of natural health.
There are only 5 possible choices, to choose from:
I would immediately discount the Natural Hygiene movement. It never professionalized. Nor, is natural hygiene training provided at any accredited college of higher learning. However, the Natural Hygiene movement was clearly the first group to use the word natural.
From here, it is simply a matter of hard thinking to reason out the specific philosophies that comprise the philosophical basis of natural health.
The only real debatable issues, in my opinion, are the principle of materialism and issue of the mind-body connection. Is natural health strongly rooted in materialism just like medicine is? Or, does it follow a more water-down version of materialism?
How does the mind-body connection come into play? Is it part of the core natural health philosophies, or is it merely only a modern extension to it? Natural health is clearly Western in its approach, as opposed to an Eastern philosophy. The earliest link to the mind-body connection would be interest in relaxation or stress reduction. Psychosocial treatments would clearly be a modern extension. But, a basic stress reduction technique could be traced back to relaxing in ancient Roman spas some 2,000 years ago. Naturopathy came from the water cure in Europe, and the water cure came from the ancient Roman spa.
Further, saying that natural health is as strictly biological in its approach to health as medicine is tantamount to saying that it uses the biomedical model of health which clearly rubs me the wrong way. Seems to me that there should be a major divide between natural health and medicine on this core issue.
So, this basically leaves the yet to be answered question of: What is the best philosophical term to refer to the water-down version of materialism that is core to all natural health practices? -- John Gohde, aka Mr-Natural-Health 15:35, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Happy to discuss to discuss what? -- John Gohde, aka Mr-Natural-Health 14:55, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I changed the key definition of a page you have fixed up lot. but we I think we have more to discuss on Talk:Conventional medicine-- Erich gasboy 15:05, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
This article is specifically about the natural health movement in America. I think it should either state that right up front, or be expanded to include the rest of the world. Thoughts? heidimo 16:34, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I've been doing some minor copyediting, but this sentence makes no sense to me:
All natural health healing practices will claim that a physician can kill an infection with antibiotics, perform surgery, put a broken limb in a cast, or suture a wound, but all healing is performed by the patient.
If I knew what it was trying to say, I'd reword it. It is from the "Vitalism" section. heidimo 16:46, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This sentence from "Prevention" also has problems I'm not sure how best to fix:
Secondary prevention activities are concerned with early detection and intervention in the potential development or the existence of an illness.
heidimo 17:04, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Why was the article Natural hygiene ( Natural Hygiene, Orthopathy) deleted and redirected here without merging any of its contents? Natural hygiene was practised by Herbert M. Shelton and is not mentioned in this article. nirvana2013 ( talk) 15:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)