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Should this be the oldest, or does it mean foremost? Lupin| talk| popups 17:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
The Museum of Natural History in Berin and the Senckenbergmuseum in Frankfurt both claim to be the largest museum of their kind in Germany? Please compare both articles and add references concerning this topic. Elatrin ( talk) 12:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that a section briefly describing the exhibition either room by room or by "topic" would be nice. However, this task is beyond my available time. Would one or two others be willing to cooperate, and take over certain parts? HMallison ( talk) 09:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
This one needs to be addressed in the Brachiosaurus lemma, not here. In any case, neither Paul's nor Olkhevsky's suggestions have gained enough support to warrant the present turn of phrase. User:Ilja.nieuwland ( talk) 9:11, 7 August 2009 (GMT+1)
wait until Taylor et al.'s paper is out - I have read it and the current turn of phrase is much too weak (see also Brachiosaurus page). Once the paper is officially published, I will update Brach and this page accordingly. HMallison ( talk) 13:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Under German copyright laws museum insides are not public domain (outsides are), unless transferred to public domain by the museum. This is not generally the case in Berlin. Thus, the individual files would have to have notes showing release by the MFN on their image pages, which they lack. removed for now. HMallison ( talk) 15:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I cannot believe the English-speaking world REALLY uses the original German name, constantly mentioning this museum as the Museum für Naturkunde in English texts, speechs, lectures or simple conversations. And I assume that Google shows a majority of Museum für Naturkunde results because of a ten-year-during Wikipedia influence (or because languages around the world tend to mention the original German term after mentioning their own proper term). Going back to the article itself, the history of renames is as follows:
In German, the official name changed over the years. I'm not sure about the names between 1810 and 1889 (apparently, until 1945 it has been named Zoologisches Museum der Friedrich-Wilhelms-Universität zu Berlin), but as of 1889 the current building was inaugurated with the term Museum für Naturkunde clearly visible on the façade, and for many years, as in the present day, this is the usual name when German-speakers refer to the Berlin museum of natural history. This is ok. But this is ok regarding German-speakers, not regarding English-speakers. If you go back to the history of renames, you'll notice that in 2011 the article was named as " Museum of Natural History, Berlin" by user Bermicourt. This lasted 46 minutes because another user, HMallison, reverted the rename. But I agree with Bermicourt and disagree with HMallison. I really think we have to rename into English. Proper titles could be Museum of Natural History, Berlin, Museum of Natural History of Berlin, Berlin Museum of Natural History or Berlin's Museum of Natural History. I like the latter (395,000 results in Google for "Berlin's Museum of Natural History" against 101,000 results for "Berlin Museum of Natural History" and 118,000 for "Museum of Natural History of Berlin").
Otherwise, apart from the above, please note that the term "Humboldt" is no longer related to this museum of natural history. This is a 207 years old museum, founded in 1810, and the term "Humboldt" was in connection with it only 60 years during, from 1949 to 2009. The Museum never was named accordingly to a term officially containing the Humboldt name and had been founded 139 years before the "Humboldt rename" of the university of Berlin in 1949. Thus, the "Humboldt Museum nickname" should be mentioned as an abandoned (although persistent) term, belonging to the past only. Regards. Kintaro ( talk) 11:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Ok then, let's move back again to Natural History Museum, Berlin over the redirect. Kintaro ( talk) 00:35, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't get it. Moved to Museum of Natural History, Berlin? Not to Natural History Museum, Berlin? Kintaro ( talk) 19:48, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Vsmith! StarM 04:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Maybe, just fuckin' maybe, wikipedia might listen to what the actual fuckin' subject of its articles has to say? The MfN insists in all its English communications on using Museum für Naturkunde Berlin - Leibniz Institute for Research on Evolution and Biodiversity (short: Museum für Naturkunde Berlin). That's what they wanna be called. Period. -- HMallison ( talk) 22:47, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
MfN PR head Gesine Steiner wrote: "unser MfN heißt im deutschen und englischen Text: Museum für Naturkunde Berlin (ohne Komma)." -- HMallison ( talk) 08:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
I just brought some corrections to Galerie de paléontologie et d'anatomie comparée, which in fact is the wrong orthotypography for this museum. In proper French this should be spelt galerie de Paléontologie et d'Anatomie comparée (begins with a lower case "g" in galerie and only the main nouns begin with a capital: Paléontologie and Anatomie). But before renaming I'll suggest a debate, as I did here. Anyway, I prefer to rename with "Gallery of Paleontology and Comparative Anatomy". And I think there are a lot of other similar cases: English should be the first choice. But also, of course, there are certainly some exceptions. Why should we accept that Museum für Naturkunde is an exception too? Do native English-speakers, among the scientists community, use this German term more than "Berlin's Natural History Museum" for example? Kintaro ( talk) 02:49, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
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The building that the museum is housed in should be addressed. Basic information about it for starters.
Having visited I would also like to know why the museum has restricted itself to using just one floor, closing off the first floor exhibition space. Amedeofelix ( talk) 06:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
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Should this be the oldest, or does it mean foremost? Lupin| talk| popups 17:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
The Museum of Natural History in Berin and the Senckenbergmuseum in Frankfurt both claim to be the largest museum of their kind in Germany? Please compare both articles and add references concerning this topic. Elatrin ( talk) 12:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I think that a section briefly describing the exhibition either room by room or by "topic" would be nice. However, this task is beyond my available time. Would one or two others be willing to cooperate, and take over certain parts? HMallison ( talk) 09:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
This one needs to be addressed in the Brachiosaurus lemma, not here. In any case, neither Paul's nor Olkhevsky's suggestions have gained enough support to warrant the present turn of phrase. User:Ilja.nieuwland ( talk) 9:11, 7 August 2009 (GMT+1)
wait until Taylor et al.'s paper is out - I have read it and the current turn of phrase is much too weak (see also Brachiosaurus page). Once the paper is officially published, I will update Brach and this page accordingly. HMallison ( talk) 13:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Under German copyright laws museum insides are not public domain (outsides are), unless transferred to public domain by the museum. This is not generally the case in Berlin. Thus, the individual files would have to have notes showing release by the MFN on their image pages, which they lack. removed for now. HMallison ( talk) 15:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I cannot believe the English-speaking world REALLY uses the original German name, constantly mentioning this museum as the Museum für Naturkunde in English texts, speechs, lectures or simple conversations. And I assume that Google shows a majority of Museum für Naturkunde results because of a ten-year-during Wikipedia influence (or because languages around the world tend to mention the original German term after mentioning their own proper term). Going back to the article itself, the history of renames is as follows:
In German, the official name changed over the years. I'm not sure about the names between 1810 and 1889 (apparently, until 1945 it has been named Zoologisches Museum der Friedrich-Wilhelms-Universität zu Berlin), but as of 1889 the current building was inaugurated with the term Museum für Naturkunde clearly visible on the façade, and for many years, as in the present day, this is the usual name when German-speakers refer to the Berlin museum of natural history. This is ok. But this is ok regarding German-speakers, not regarding English-speakers. If you go back to the history of renames, you'll notice that in 2011 the article was named as " Museum of Natural History, Berlin" by user Bermicourt. This lasted 46 minutes because another user, HMallison, reverted the rename. But I agree with Bermicourt and disagree with HMallison. I really think we have to rename into English. Proper titles could be Museum of Natural History, Berlin, Museum of Natural History of Berlin, Berlin Museum of Natural History or Berlin's Museum of Natural History. I like the latter (395,000 results in Google for "Berlin's Museum of Natural History" against 101,000 results for "Berlin Museum of Natural History" and 118,000 for "Museum of Natural History of Berlin").
Otherwise, apart from the above, please note that the term "Humboldt" is no longer related to this museum of natural history. This is a 207 years old museum, founded in 1810, and the term "Humboldt" was in connection with it only 60 years during, from 1949 to 2009. The Museum never was named accordingly to a term officially containing the Humboldt name and had been founded 139 years before the "Humboldt rename" of the university of Berlin in 1949. Thus, the "Humboldt Museum nickname" should be mentioned as an abandoned (although persistent) term, belonging to the past only. Regards. Kintaro ( talk) 11:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Ok then, let's move back again to Natural History Museum, Berlin over the redirect. Kintaro ( talk) 00:35, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't get it. Moved to Museum of Natural History, Berlin? Not to Natural History Museum, Berlin? Kintaro ( talk) 19:48, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Vsmith! StarM 04:01, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Maybe, just fuckin' maybe, wikipedia might listen to what the actual fuckin' subject of its articles has to say? The MfN insists in all its English communications on using Museum für Naturkunde Berlin - Leibniz Institute for Research on Evolution and Biodiversity (short: Museum für Naturkunde Berlin). That's what they wanna be called. Period. -- HMallison ( talk) 22:47, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
MfN PR head Gesine Steiner wrote: "unser MfN heißt im deutschen und englischen Text: Museum für Naturkunde Berlin (ohne Komma)." -- HMallison ( talk) 08:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
I just brought some corrections to Galerie de paléontologie et d'anatomie comparée, which in fact is the wrong orthotypography for this museum. In proper French this should be spelt galerie de Paléontologie et d'Anatomie comparée (begins with a lower case "g" in galerie and only the main nouns begin with a capital: Paléontologie and Anatomie). But before renaming I'll suggest a debate, as I did here. Anyway, I prefer to rename with "Gallery of Paleontology and Comparative Anatomy". And I think there are a lot of other similar cases: English should be the first choice. But also, of course, there are certainly some exceptions. Why should we accept that Museum für Naturkunde is an exception too? Do native English-speakers, among the scientists community, use this German term more than "Berlin's Natural History Museum" for example? Kintaro ( talk) 02:49, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
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The building that the museum is housed in should be addressed. Basic information about it for starters.
Having visited I would also like to know why the museum has restricted itself to using just one floor, closing off the first floor exhibition space. Amedeofelix ( talk) 06:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)