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If you live in the netherlands and talk to the older people they will say that the clossest modern thing to a nationa ltrauma would be 1 the german ocupation or 2 the lost world cup against germany in 1974. however the pim fortuyn murder is not a national trauma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.207.89.19 ( talk) 09:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
This is a totally subjective concept, "nations" and "ethnicities" are social constructs and do not have "spirits". What is or isn't traumatic varies by individual. I just don't think this article has any value, nor does the supposed concept of a "national trauma" itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.122.150 ( talk) 21:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
This is wrong. You must be living in a cave to say that. National sentiment is something that is especially apparent in the old world, it is a recurring theme in European and Asian politics as long as history has been recorded. LightningLighting ( talk) 00:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
I've re-written this article to remove the lack of sourcing and to cite this term to current scholarship. The former list of examples was removed by Doug Weller in response to this discussion. All of these examples appear to have been added by individual editors based solely on their own appreciation of the term and show a heavy WP:RECENTISM bias. Such examples as November 2015 Paris attacks for France, every example formerly listed for India, Assassination of Pim Fortuyn and Assassination of Theo van Gogh for Netherlands, etc. etc. appear to have met no definition beyond, "somebody died and it was in the news a lot."
Because this article attracted such poor-quality examples previously, does anyone else think it would be profitable for an administrator or template editor create an appropriate edit notice for the "Examples of national traumas" section? Thanks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:11, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
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Am I allowed to link a National Catastrophe to another Wikipedia page (which obviously has neat citations and all that)? I'm new on the platform, so I don't know much other than linking people to other articles. Thanks. LightningLighting ( talk) 00:22, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
[[National trauma]]
If you want to use an alias then use the pipe character and then whatever text you want displayed: Foo argued that bar was "[[National trauma|A trauma of national proportions]]
" and resulted in the dramatic change to baz and implementation of qux.
I hope that helps.
Eggishorn
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02:58, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Thank you. I wanted to cite the Anatolian Catastrophe and Genocide for Greece, which saw massive refugee movements to Greece, the deaths of nearly a million and a great court decision that had some of the head Royalists considered responsible and killed, nowadays called "Η δική των έξι", "The trial of the (big) six". This made Greece change its policy from that of "Greater Greece" to a protectionist, having a profound effect on Greek culture after the Great War. It's also the uproar of that time that caused the political instability of Greece that would continue until WW2 and climax in the Greek civil war, another traumatic event. Does this qualify? There's already an article on it in Wikipedia. LightningLighting ( talk) 22:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
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If you live in the netherlands and talk to the older people they will say that the clossest modern thing to a nationa ltrauma would be 1 the german ocupation or 2 the lost world cup against germany in 1974. however the pim fortuyn murder is not a national trauma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.207.89.19 ( talk) 09:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
This is a totally subjective concept, "nations" and "ethnicities" are social constructs and do not have "spirits". What is or isn't traumatic varies by individual. I just don't think this article has any value, nor does the supposed concept of a "national trauma" itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.224.122.150 ( talk) 21:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
This is wrong. You must be living in a cave to say that. National sentiment is something that is especially apparent in the old world, it is a recurring theme in European and Asian politics as long as history has been recorded. LightningLighting ( talk) 00:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
I've re-written this article to remove the lack of sourcing and to cite this term to current scholarship. The former list of examples was removed by Doug Weller in response to this discussion. All of these examples appear to have been added by individual editors based solely on their own appreciation of the term and show a heavy WP:RECENTISM bias. Such examples as November 2015 Paris attacks for France, every example formerly listed for India, Assassination of Pim Fortuyn and Assassination of Theo van Gogh for Netherlands, etc. etc. appear to have met no definition beyond, "somebody died and it was in the news a lot."
Because this article attracted such poor-quality examples previously, does anyone else think it would be profitable for an administrator or template editor create an appropriate edit notice for the "Examples of national traumas" section? Thanks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:11, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
References
{{
cite journal}}
: |access-date=
requires |url=
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help)
{{
cite journal}}
: |access-date=
requires |url=
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help)
Am I allowed to link a National Catastrophe to another Wikipedia page (which obviously has neat citations and all that)? I'm new on the platform, so I don't know much other than linking people to other articles. Thanks. LightningLighting ( talk) 00:22, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
[[National trauma]]
If you want to use an alias then use the pipe character and then whatever text you want displayed: Foo argued that bar was "[[National trauma|A trauma of national proportions]]
" and resulted in the dramatic change to baz and implementation of qux.
I hope that helps.
Eggishorn
(talk)
(contrib)
02:58, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Thank you. I wanted to cite the Anatolian Catastrophe and Genocide for Greece, which saw massive refugee movements to Greece, the deaths of nearly a million and a great court decision that had some of the head Royalists considered responsible and killed, nowadays called "Η δική των έξι", "The trial of the (big) six". This made Greece change its policy from that of "Greater Greece" to a protectionist, having a profound effect on Greek culture after the Great War. It's also the uproar of that time that caused the political instability of Greece that would continue until WW2 and climax in the Greek civil war, another traumatic event. Does this qualify? There's already an article on it in Wikipedia. LightningLighting ( talk) 22:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)