The page title is clunky, but I couldn't think of anything better - that at least is its real title. You can't just call it THE National Trust because there are so many National Trusts worldwide and as soon as you start trying to specify WHERE it's the NT for you get very wordy because it's not just the UK, not just England, etc. Nevilley
I'm not sure about Renata's change of adding individual NT property links in. It seems to go from a general explanation of "what the NT is" suddenly to a rather fine focus on two properties. And if we add every NT property to the page, it will become rather long.
Here is a proposed solution - I've moved Renata's items onto a separate page which is referenced from this page. I've also pointed out that "What links to here" should find Wikipedia entries with NT links. I hope this helps. Nevilley
On a very minor point, I don't think it is helpful that this list, if on the main page, would, in the format you used, push the link to the NT's very good site to below these links - would people find it so easily there or would it be better with the main body of the entry??
Having said all that, I am COMPLETELY unsure that I'm really right and I do not feel very strongly about it. If you are, and do, you could maybe consider doing this:
How's that? :)
Nevilley
Oh dear, it's now more complex - Tarquin has rewritten the opener and I've rerewritten it, so a straight restore will not now be right. And on the list page, the counties ALREADY look like the can of worms!!! Plus Renata, you've added to it but I thought you didn't want it there at all? Oh and the bulleted hierarchy there is wrong (Northumberland is at the same level as England, heheh!) and I don't know how to fix that.
What's the answer?
"The" is part of the name - Not a formal proposal, but I suggest moving to The National Trust (England, Wales & Northern Ireland) Jooler 00:17, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Should Octavia Hill's birth place be included here? There is a link to her page and the information is readily available there. ( RJP 18:29, 22 November 2005 (UTC))
Seems to be something wrong here: "In the early days the Trust was concerned primarily with Richard Stearman open spaces and a variety of Sylvan Ebanks Blakes; its first property was Kevin Foley and its first nature reserve was David Jones. Its first archaeological monument was Chris Iwelumo."
And here. A masked gang? "The Trust has been the beneficiary of numerous donations of both property and money. However, probably the most bizarre were those given by mysterious masked group known as Ferguson's Gang between about 1932 and 1940." 87.61.170.53 ( talk) 20:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that the National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty article has been renamed The National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty. I thought that Wikipedia naming conventions stated that the article should not be used in article names. Am I correct? If so, how can we go about moving this article back to National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty? — Grstain | Talk 19:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there a National Trust infobox, please?-- Harkey Lodger ( talk) 17:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
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the section title 'What the National Trust owns' is too long. I suggest 'National Trust Sites' instead? I'm not sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floorhugger ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't a section about criticism of the Trust, eg development at Cliveden and Erddig; stag hunting in the past; purchase of Tyntesfield etc etc. The NT isn't as popular as it would have one believe. 86.135.215.70 ( talk) 21:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I was told that the trust used to own accommodation not open to the public but available to prominent personalities on a grace and favour basis. ( I am not referring to special arrangements for former owners made at the time of acquisition by the Trust). Was there ever any truth in this rumour?----Clive Sweeting29October2015
I propose we move this article to National Trust and change the page currently there to National Trust (disambiguation). The reasons for this are (1) this page has a title that in no way reflects its commoname, (2) this NT was the first and is the best-known, (3) the other NTs are called by other names - only this one has the commonname short title "National Trust". Welcome comments - if none, I will proceed with the Move tagging. See also Talk:National_Trust#Propose_move_to_disambig_page. Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 09:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
The Trust recently defended, somewhat controversially, its decision to include references to creationist theory at a new state-of-the-art visitors' centre in Northern Ireland: [4] Do editirs feel this is noteworthy? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 11:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Soulkeeper ( talk) 15:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC), 14:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure the two Rembrandts are very notable, and indeed newsworthy. But what about the other 12,565 oil paintings (not to mention the sculptures)? Choosing just two seems a bit like WP:UNDUE. But where would one start, and how would one choose? Martinevans123 ( talk) 07:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I added further details about Trust New Art - National Trust's contemporary art programme - it's a small strand of the programming work they do but they have worked with over 200 artists now so I wonder if it's worth having its own page? They are showing as much contemporary art as any major contemporary art gallery - but to add extensive details here would really pull focus from the core conservation aims of the charity? Thoughts appreciated HannahLSP ( talk) 09:10, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I removed a reference to the "National Trust Wiki" at http://national-trust.wikia.com/ as I don't think it's a valuable external link for this article. I've had a look round it; it contains ~31 pages on properties and has writing such as "National Trust is a charity founded by three people in 1895 who believed that historic houses and gardens should be protected from being knocked down and built into a house." and "It's not like a medival castle, where kings and queens lived. No, people who weren't kings or queens lived there too." Whilst I wish its (presumed) author well in the development of their site, and have no wish to disparage their work, I don't think that it contains anything that is essential here, at least not for the time being. Please feel free to discuss. Best wishes to all, DBaK ( talk) 10:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to list all National Trust properties with over 50,000 visitors annually? I've trimmed the list down to the top 10. Sotakeit ( talk) 11:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Johnbod: Please have a look at the article on a mobile device. Scroll down to the Governance section within the 'tablet'. See how all the images appear in a column sandwiched between the heading and prose? That's why we don't cascade images like that any more. It does matter: 160 of the 309 visits (52%) to the article yesterday were on a mobile device... [5] Firebrace ( talk) 18:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I realise that it seems anglocentric to redirect 'National Trust' to the specific British one, but the plain fact is that there are over 400 articles with that link, and in every single one of them (bar half a dozen I've just fixed) it means the British one. So 400+ links are taking our readers to a place they're not expecting to go. It would be much more helpful to our readers to redirect National Trust to National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty and put a hatnote there pointing out that other national trusts are available. Colonies Chris ( talk) 19:19, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Apparently not? Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
The page title is clunky, but I couldn't think of anything better - that at least is its real title. You can't just call it THE National Trust because there are so many National Trusts worldwide and as soon as you start trying to specify WHERE it's the NT for you get very wordy because it's not just the UK, not just England, etc. Nevilley
I'm not sure about Renata's change of adding individual NT property links in. It seems to go from a general explanation of "what the NT is" suddenly to a rather fine focus on two properties. And if we add every NT property to the page, it will become rather long.
Here is a proposed solution - I've moved Renata's items onto a separate page which is referenced from this page. I've also pointed out that "What links to here" should find Wikipedia entries with NT links. I hope this helps. Nevilley
On a very minor point, I don't think it is helpful that this list, if on the main page, would, in the format you used, push the link to the NT's very good site to below these links - would people find it so easily there or would it be better with the main body of the entry??
Having said all that, I am COMPLETELY unsure that I'm really right and I do not feel very strongly about it. If you are, and do, you could maybe consider doing this:
How's that? :)
Nevilley
Oh dear, it's now more complex - Tarquin has rewritten the opener and I've rerewritten it, so a straight restore will not now be right. And on the list page, the counties ALREADY look like the can of worms!!! Plus Renata, you've added to it but I thought you didn't want it there at all? Oh and the bulleted hierarchy there is wrong (Northumberland is at the same level as England, heheh!) and I don't know how to fix that.
What's the answer?
"The" is part of the name - Not a formal proposal, but I suggest moving to The National Trust (England, Wales & Northern Ireland) Jooler 00:17, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Should Octavia Hill's birth place be included here? There is a link to her page and the information is readily available there. ( RJP 18:29, 22 November 2005 (UTC))
Seems to be something wrong here: "In the early days the Trust was concerned primarily with Richard Stearman open spaces and a variety of Sylvan Ebanks Blakes; its first property was Kevin Foley and its first nature reserve was David Jones. Its first archaeological monument was Chris Iwelumo."
And here. A masked gang? "The Trust has been the beneficiary of numerous donations of both property and money. However, probably the most bizarre were those given by mysterious masked group known as Ferguson's Gang between about 1932 and 1940." 87.61.170.53 ( talk) 20:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I see that the National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty article has been renamed The National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty. I thought that Wikipedia naming conventions stated that the article should not be used in article names. Am I correct? If so, how can we go about moving this article back to National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty? — Grstain | Talk 19:41, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there a National Trust infobox, please?-- Harkey Lodger ( talk) 17:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
---
the section title 'What the National Trust owns' is too long. I suggest 'National Trust Sites' instead? I'm not sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floorhugger ( talk • contribs) 21:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't a section about criticism of the Trust, eg development at Cliveden and Erddig; stag hunting in the past; purchase of Tyntesfield etc etc. The NT isn't as popular as it would have one believe. 86.135.215.70 ( talk) 21:16, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I was told that the trust used to own accommodation not open to the public but available to prominent personalities on a grace and favour basis. ( I am not referring to special arrangements for former owners made at the time of acquisition by the Trust). Was there ever any truth in this rumour?----Clive Sweeting29October2015
I propose we move this article to National Trust and change the page currently there to National Trust (disambiguation). The reasons for this are (1) this page has a title that in no way reflects its commoname, (2) this NT was the first and is the best-known, (3) the other NTs are called by other names - only this one has the commonname short title "National Trust". Welcome comments - if none, I will proceed with the Move tagging. See also Talk:National_Trust#Propose_move_to_disambig_page. Jamesinderbyshire ( talk) 09:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
The Trust recently defended, somewhat controversially, its decision to include references to creationist theory at a new state-of-the-art visitors' centre in Northern Ireland: [4] Do editirs feel this is noteworthy? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 11:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
- Soulkeeper ( talk) 15:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC), 14:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure the two Rembrandts are very notable, and indeed newsworthy. But what about the other 12,565 oil paintings (not to mention the sculptures)? Choosing just two seems a bit like WP:UNDUE. But where would one start, and how would one choose? Martinevans123 ( talk) 07:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
I added further details about Trust New Art - National Trust's contemporary art programme - it's a small strand of the programming work they do but they have worked with over 200 artists now so I wonder if it's worth having its own page? They are showing as much contemporary art as any major contemporary art gallery - but to add extensive details here would really pull focus from the core conservation aims of the charity? Thoughts appreciated HannahLSP ( talk) 09:10, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I removed a reference to the "National Trust Wiki" at http://national-trust.wikia.com/ as I don't think it's a valuable external link for this article. I've had a look round it; it contains ~31 pages on properties and has writing such as "National Trust is a charity founded by three people in 1895 who believed that historic houses and gardens should be protected from being knocked down and built into a house." and "It's not like a medival castle, where kings and queens lived. No, people who weren't kings or queens lived there too." Whilst I wish its (presumed) author well in the development of their site, and have no wish to disparage their work, I don't think that it contains anything that is essential here, at least not for the time being. Please feel free to discuss. Best wishes to all, DBaK ( talk) 10:30, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to list all National Trust properties with over 50,000 visitors annually? I've trimmed the list down to the top 10. Sotakeit ( talk) 11:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Johnbod: Please have a look at the article on a mobile device. Scroll down to the Governance section within the 'tablet'. See how all the images appear in a column sandwiched between the heading and prose? That's why we don't cascade images like that any more. It does matter: 160 of the 309 visits (52%) to the article yesterday were on a mobile device... [5] Firebrace ( talk) 18:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I realise that it seems anglocentric to redirect 'National Trust' to the specific British one, but the plain fact is that there are over 400 articles with that link, and in every single one of them (bar half a dozen I've just fixed) it means the British one. So 400+ links are taking our readers to a place they're not expecting to go. It would be much more helpful to our readers to redirect National Trust to National Trust for Places of Historic Interest or Natural Beauty and put a hatnote there pointing out that other national trusts are available. Colonies Chris ( talk) 19:19, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Apparently not? Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)